How in the hell can these Trump supporters still think the

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election was stolen after all the law suits have been thrown out even by judges Trump appointed?
They even believe that Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez came back from the dead and rigged the election?
This goes beyond a cult it is mass insanity.

[SoonerPride]

1. They are brainwashed by Fox and radio

[AkFemDem]

3. They won't even watch Fox now

They’ve gone full OAN, all conspiracies all the time, and they don’t have a clue what’s been happening in the courts.

[Shermann]

9. OAN isn't even a comprehensive alternative news source

They mostly seem to run leftovers, news stories the MSM "doesn't want you to know about".

They didn't even have a story on Biden being declared the winner.

[Kaleva]

7. One has to be already brain washed in order to watch Fox

Fox simply tapped into a large audience that was already there

[Beartracks]

2. They've been trained for years to believe facts are lies. n/t

[Skittles]

4. they idolize an utter fucking BUFFOON

it makes no sense to me, no matter what explanation is offered

[MuseRider]

8. Ding Ding Ding Ding!

There is no answer after that.

[Skittles]

30. you look at other people in history who had fanatical followings

they at least had some intelligence or personality or power of persuasion - this idiot Trump, he's just - NOTHING, there's nothing there, it's all bluff, he's absolutely PATHETIC

[Windy City Charlie]

5. That's because

That's because he knows how dumb they are. He's been sowing these seeds of doubt and that he's the victim the entire campaign season.

[JI7]

6. Because it's about what they WANT to believe more than what they believe

after looking at the evidence. In fact they prefer not to see anything that contradicts what they want to believe.

[Kaleva]

10. Humans aren't rational beings

People will believe that which reinforces their world view.

[zipplewrath]

12. Exactly

They arrange information to create a reality they want and understand.

[LonePirate]

11. He never mentions the lawsuit losses, just the alleged fraud and stolen election.

Keep in mind, these people are so far in the tank for him that they only believe him and no one else. No matter how much evidence or proof exists that counters what 45 says, they still believe him and only him.

Once he is no longer in control after January 20, the GOP could very well collapse.

[Chainfire]

13. Trump is the king of the bigots

They love him because he is one of them.

[Windy City Charlie]

14. When all is said and done

When all is said and done, come January 2021, they'll think everyone was part of the deep state that removed Trump from the White House. Really scary what they believe.

[birdographer]

17. I think they reached a point

where all common sense, and reality itself, went out the window. It is a descent into madness and we are all witnessing it.

[Ferrets are Cool]

15. They cannot "handle the truth" of losing to the "libs"

[RealityCheque]

22. Yup, just like...

The hypocrite that lives on my street, who has the audacity to fly an American flag next to the Trump 2020 flag with the tag line “make a liberal cry”. Seriously?! Great reason to vote for a draft dodging bigot right?

[Ferrets are Cool]

28. Exactly. It eats them alive if we are happy for one moment.

[birdographer]

16. I've been reading

The Cult of Trump, and it is fascinating and does finally give me some understanding about his cult members. How they got to where they are. I think they were seriously flawed in the first place, so it was a short step to the cult, and insanity is another short step. They are imploding.

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18. I mean you try and talk sense to them about them losing all the court cases

because they have no evidence. They claim they have seen all kinds of evidence saw videos, read about it and
they will claim they heard it on CNN or read a NYT article. They always claim they heard stuff on CNN or read it
in the newspaper because they know we won't believe anything from Faux, Newsmax and OAN. You wouldn't believe the
videos they claim to have seen of Joe Biden and children, it is insane. I told one the other day there was a video of
Lindsey Graham saying Joe Biden is the most decent person he has ever met, he claimed it was faked.

[The Genealogist]

19. You expect them to overcome decades of brainwashing in a couple or three weeks?

They've been conditioned for this moment in time for decades by 24/7/365 hate radio and their FAUX/OANN propaganda, and are still being conditioned.

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20. You could show them Putin's Golden Shower video in HD and they would say it was fake nt

[mtnsnake]

21. Most likely many of them know deep down that it wasn't stolen

but if they start running around acting like they think the election was fair, then they lose all credibility as a bonafide Trump supporter. As long as Trump stands for racism and hatred, the trumpsters will continue to act like they believe everything he says. Maybe some of the most ignorant of them really think the election was stolen, but I would have to think most of them know damn well it wasn't. For the ones who know it wasn't stolen, they will continue to put on a big loud act just to keep stirring their shit up.

[ooky]

23. Because they are literally the dumbest people on the planet.

Just look at the things they say and do.

[Ms. Toad]

24. You might want to go search the DU archives from 2016 around this time.

While we weren't out rioting in the streets, we were certainly making allegations that the election was stolen and - although we didn't suggest Hugo Chavez was behind it, we were alleging foreign rigging of the voting machines using descriptions that are strikingly similar to the ones Sidney Powell used.

And you'll find similar theories posted ahead of every election since 2000. I've been challenging voting machine conspiracy theories for as long as I've been on DU. There are two signficant differences: It's the Republicans now saying the same thing we've been saying for years - AND - our leaders never encouraged them by touting them or bringing lawsuits based on them.

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27. I know but there was proof Russia interfered with the election wasn't there? Then there

was Comey coming out with Hillary's e-mails a few days before the election yet he sat on evidence of Trump's connection with Russia.
But Al Gore and Hillary Clinton weren't making those claims about the election being rigged even before the election. I've seen crazy stuff on here like the Bush administration letting or making 911 happen. GWB being on cocaine, GBW having a gay relationship with
a news reporter. But I don't think 80% of the Democratic party believed any of that.

[Ms. Toad]

29. My point is - as to wild accusations about vote riggging,

we should clean up our own house. The allegations as to vote rigging, on our side, weren't being made by the leaders of the party (part of the point I made). They WERE being made before the election - and after - and they are virtually identical to the allegations being made by Sidney Powell: Some nation-wide scheme to add a few votes here and there - just enough to give the win to Bush/Romney/Trump/McCain. Voting machines owned by foreign/Republican entities.

Those reports hung on long after the election was finished.

Yes - Russia interfered with the election, but it was garden variety espionage/disinformation. They also changed registration/eligiility to vote laws to disenfranchise Democrats, and changed early voting hours to cut down the pews to the polls efforts. What they didn't engage in was ballot box stuffing/vote shifting/etc. - but you can see discussion of those schemes (especially the vote shifting) in the run-up to every election since 2000 - and long after the dust has settled when we've lost.

Here's an article from 2006. It should sound pretty similar to the Sidney Powell wild schemes. My father relayed this story to me - passed on to him from some highly educated people who were absolutely convinced it was true. they knew someone who knew someone who was in on it.

[albacore]

34. I can continue to be concerned that about 78,000 votes...TOTAL...

..spread over pivotal districts in 3 pivotal states gave trump the EC.

That's hardly in the same league as the present election and the wild paranoia about vote rigging.

We DO have to clean up our elections and make them transparent.

[Ms. Toad]

36. As to voting machines -

there is a lot of paranoia - on both sides now.

That may lead to a rational exploration of what needs to be done that has not been possible up until now when is was all our side with wild conspiracy theories.

There are software errors - I have yet to meet code that is perfect. But these are not programmed for vote shifting (for Republicans or Democrats). Althogh I'm a bit out of date with the new machines, I am intimately familar with many of the voting machines that were used in the presidential elections between 2000 and 2016.

[albacore]

37. I vote in WA state...

No muss... no fuss... drop the ballot off at the steel box at the firehouse.
Paper ballot. Paper trail.

How hard would that be for the "stupid states" to install?

[Ms. Toad]

38. There are quite a few here

who want hand counted paper ballots - on the theory that the tabulators that read you ballot are also under the control of the evil empire. (Essentially the claim now being made by Sidney Powell.)

Both sides claims as to this matter ignore the rest of the checks and balances built into the system, the fact that "the country" doesn't have a single voting system. I'll stop before my blood pressure gets too high.

[jalan48]

25. The peons are brainwashed, those in power are corrupt and are simply trying to game the system.

[GOPBasher]

26. They don't think so. They're not wrong, they're lying.

They're not mislead, they're gaslighting. They're not ignorant, they're cruel. They're not stupid, they're evil.

[Solly Mack]

31. Trumptologists can believe any absurdity and do.

[Crunchy Frog]

32. It's the Big Lie technique. It works.

[bdamomma]

33. Propaganda works

it's a cult and they would die for their cult leader? Go ahead, Covid is looking for hosts.

[Ahpook]

35. They also think covid

is an international conspiracy to ruin Trump.

Their brains are cooked!

[Meowmee]

39. It has really been mass insanity

And fascism for a long time now, but it is still hard to believe how stupid and crazy so many people are here. I take it with a grain of salt about what they all actually believe. That said I want paper ballots hand counted, imo that is the better method to try to prevent cheating and errors.