Is it just me or are they kind of tipping their hand about Georgia?

[Recursion]

After the state ordered a hand recount the Trump campaign is asking for another one. It's like they really, really can't comprehend that they lost, which makes me wonder what crooked stuff they were up to there that didn't work this time.

[onecaliberal]

1. Roves reaction to Obama winning Ohio. Same deal.

[Karma13612]

28. Ditto

This has crossed my mind several times.

[vollehosen]

2. Brian Kemp pretty much begged them to

In his speech after he signed off on the ceritification.

[unblock]

3. I think the plan is to just pretend there is so much controversy

so the Supreme Court can just say hey, we have to throw out all these election results in these "disputed" states, so gee, that leaves no one with 270 electoral votes, so the house decides by state delegations, so Donnie wins.

Can't see it working, but I think that's the plan.

[applegrove]

5. I think that is the plan now. Just put it iff and off and off until the state

delegations vote instead of the electoral college. Blanche Dubois, or whatever the Trump campaign lawyer's name is, seemed to imply they could be litigated way after the electoral college vote deadlines. That there was no rush.

[yellowcanine]

19. Maybe not bc there is no House delegation either if the election

is not certified. So depending on which states are tossed out the Repubs might lose their state delegation advantage. I think GA and PA are controlled by Repubs, for example.

[unblock]

37. I mean the u.s. congress.

If he can flip or invalidate enough elections to deny Biden a majority of electors appointed, the u.s.house delegations choose the next president,

[yellowcanine]

40. Yes I get that. Each state's congressional delegation gets one vote.

But this election also determined the congressional delegations. If the election is not certified it means that not only is there not an outcome in the presidential race, but there is also not an outcome in any of the congressional races. So there would be no congressional delegation for that state. That could favor Democrats.

[unblock]

41. I don't think they're linked

I expect all election processes to continue as normal even if there were some delay in certifying the presidential election.

Donnie's make-believe story of course is that there's all this fraud against him in his race but the other races are fine.

[yellowcanine]

42. They absolutely are linked. There is 1 ballot for all the races.

When an election is certified, they are not just certifying the results in one race, they are certifying all of the races. The only reason not to certify an outcome is if there were a lot of invalid ballots, which would mean all of the races on those ballots.

[StarfishSaver]

24. The results in Georgia are already certified, so that state isn't disputed .

And 270 votes aren't the magic number - the winner has to get the majority of the votes actually certified. If any voted aren't certified, the number of votes needed to win also goes down.

[unblock]

36. Right, technically it's a majority of the electors appointed

In theory, the Supreme Court could invalidate even Georgia's election and deny them their electors. I don't see that happening at all, but I can see Donnie hoping for that.

But yes, if electors aren't appointed, the magic number goes down. Donnie need to flip 3 states or invalidate more like 6 Biden states.

He real problem is that the election wasn't close enough to steal.

[fierywoman]

4. The way they keep screaming that the election was rigged -- was it rigged by them

to add 10,000,000 votes to It's 2016 total? Yet that wasn't enough because so many came out to vote? If they all didn't over and over follow the Goehring Guidebook of accusing your enemy of your misdeeds, I'd declare myself a raving conspiracy nut.

[napi21]

6. I suspect they can't believe they lost Ga because even the people of Ga. can't believe it. he last

time a President won Ga. was Jimmy Carter! I think they're stupid for requesting another recount because it'os a waste of time, but so be it. The count will turn out the same again and he'll go mopping into the night.

[Chicago1980]

9. Yeah.....

But they lost Arizona too, and we've not seen the same type of reaction.

Bill Clinton won Georgia in 1992 and that was the first time since Carter in '80'.

[TheRealNorth]

12. But in GA they tried sooo hard to suppress the Democratic vote

voter purges, long lines, etc... and it still wasn't enough.

Will be interesting what happens if the Republicans try this in the future with suburban white districts as those break away from them.

[obamanut2012]

22. Bill Clinton won GA in 1992 n/t

[uponit7771]

27. It was Bill Clinton bit this is first time a northener wins GA in a long time

[Wednesdays]

39. The last time

a Democratic presidential candidate who didn't come from a former Confederate state, won Georgia, was JFK in 1960.

[relayerbob]

7. Pandering to the base in advance of the runoff

Hot air. There was only the SOP voter suppression here. he’s just mad it didn’t work as well this time.

[crickets]

11. That pandering may backfire.

The state is on the hook for the cost of both recounts. It's getting old, fast.

[relayerbob]

13. Oh, it's igniting a civil war withint the GOP here

It's nothing but good news for Warnock and Ossoff, IMO

[onetexan]

15. Bravo!

[Willto]

8. All this is...

....just conjured up bullshit to protect his fragile ego. He cannot admit that he just flat lost. They know all these fraud claims are complete crap but if you are going to make such claims you have to jump through all the hoops to keep up the charade for your cult members.

[Me.]

10. STacey Abrams

did them in.

[hay rick]

14. None of the recounts or lawsuits are initiated in good faith.

The point is not to expose fraud, the point is to reinforce a "massive coverup" narrative. Remember the request to Ukraine was not to produce evidence of corruption- it was to announce an investigation.

[ucrdem]

16. They had scheme but fortunately it failed

The first part was to win on election night by getting Trump voters to vote in person, and then when the mail-in ballots were counted showing Biden winning, to cast doubt via challenges and lawsuits, thus leaving Trump the apparent winner.

It went haywire when Biden won on election night, so I guess they're proceeding with the second part anyway, possibly in hopes of cheating their way to a win by cancelling Biden votes (comparing signatures for example, a sure-fire method) and "finding" uncounted Trump votes. But the numbers just aren't there and it seems his underworld angels aren't either.

[joshcryer]

18. That's exactly what they were planning.

The only two states to flip were MI and PA. But we knew that MI and PA would be having issues since they forced the count to happen on election day. Fortunately with AZ and NV Biden had it shoed in before they could pull that crap. Trump tweeted out continuously while they were counting in MI and PA. Waiting for Detroit and Philly to come in. But everyone saw the writing on the wall. Biden wins without GA or PA if he gets WI and MI. But if he gets MI or PA Trump can't win, period. He needed GA, PA and WI, with NV and AZ going to Biden. It was done. The writing was on the wall. And their little fraud attempt was a failure.

[StarfishSaver]

25. Exactly

They also thought it would be much closer and boil down to one or two states - primarily because they thought their voter suppression efforts would have substantially tamped down the black absentee vote.

But black folk fought back and overcame and/or worked around the GOP onslaught, so Biden won by much larger margins than expected in more states than expected.

Plan went kaplooey

[Hortensis]

35. Sure, but the NEW, HUGE goal now has to be holding GA's 2 senate seats.

The RW's big-donor classes and McConnell himself are now enormously threatened all over again by the possibility of losing control of the senate and inability to block the Democrats. I've also read that some who know him say McConnell prefers Democratic presidents because then he becomes the center of Republican power; for him it's about exercising power. And many others would be glad to lose Trump.

So my thought's that while the party's flailing under Trump, the entire right, including their agents in the MSM, is coming together to keep control of the senate. And that keeping their voters angry and fighting is not really about a losing fight to steal the presidency but a real one to hold the senate.

[joshcryer]

17. Common practice within their ranks. But paper ballots changed the equation.

They have been cheating for so fucking long that the transparency of this election (after several of their elections have been shown to be fraudulent), that they had to play correctly. It helps that the Democrats have been working process at all levels this whole time and that mail in ballots (ie paper ballots) are impossible to cheat. They are so utterly demoralized that they can't simply flick a switch and win.

Mail in, paper ballots, are the way forward from now on, and we need to keep pushing it. Now and forever. In all elections and in all races.

[StarfishSaver]

26. Another factor

Great and consistent public education and excellent legal strategy and lawyering.

For months, the national, state and county Democratic Party, civil rights groups, and other progressive organizations engaged in massive outreach and public education efforts to inform voters how to vote so their vote would be counted and how to cure their ballots or vote provisionally if there was a problem. Because of that work, very few ballots got thrown out for signature matching problems, naked envelopes, etc.

And then, on top of that, they've all had lawyers prepping and waiting to spring into action all over the country to respond to any effort to suppress votes. All of those cases where we've seen the Trump people getting their butts handed to them? They were either brought by civil rights organizations or defended by them. For example, in the Pennsylvania case on which the judge lambasted the plaintiffs last night, that suit was brought by the Trump campaign against the Secretary of State. But as soon as it was filed, several civil rights organizations, including the ACLU, NAACP, Black Political Empowerment Project, Common Cause, and League of Women Voters intervened on behalf of impacted voters and Trump had to fight all of them, too.

Although it hasn't gotten a lot of coverage, the NAACP sued the US Post Office and forced them to take extraordinary measures to get absentee ballots delivered. Because of that suit and the huge public information campaign telling people to mail their ballots early, tens of thousands - maybe hundreds of thousands - of ballots that might have otherwise been delayed due to DeJoy's "reformed" procedures were delivered on time to be counted.

The civil rights and legal communities and the courts came through.

[uponit7771]

29. +1, and we ALL knew Trump was cheating to win cause he ADMITTED IT !! He even called o two countries

... to help him chest on line TV

Then admitted to screwing up the post office and had his minion destroy sorting machines out in the open

Trump cheated openly we don't even have to guess on that there's no conspiracy there's no supposition it is on record Trump cheated

[yellowcanine]

20. Is Georgia obliged to do another hand recount or could they

just do another machine count? Just bc Trumpy demands it doesn't mean you have to do it. Let a judge decide.
.

[Statistical]

38. They are obligated to do a machine count.

The "hand recount" wasn't really a recount in that it didn't change the official certified results. It was a "risk limiting audit". In other words "check your work" do it again by another method and if the two numbers are close then it validates the original (official machine count) result.

Under GA law the recount must be a machine count just like the original. The same exact ballots run on the same exact machines and record the results.

[Hav]

21. Yes, we kind of know what they try

(Besides throwing of AA from the voter rolls)
We know what they tried because Lindsey Graham's call was made public. They tried to get as many Dem ballots invalidated until Trump wins.

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

23. Never trust a Republican under any circumstances. nt

[uponit7771]

30. +1, they are no longer interested in a free and open democracy

[Drahthaardogs]

31. Stall tactics, nothing more.

The goal is to keep them tied up long enough that it can’t be certified, then kick it to the House of Representatives

[UCmeNdc]

32. I agree....

It is like they keep trying to count until they win.

Plus who did they pay off to undercount some democratic ballots?

Or find more Trump ballots?

[GoCubsGo]

33. Could also just be run-of-the-mill denial and Trump appeasementl.

Kind of a "Trading Places" Duke Brothers "Turn those machines back on! Turn those machines back on!" situation. But, Georgia's government has been corrupt for well over a century. So, I think you are onto something with the "trying to figure out where our crooked stuff didn't work" thing. Got to make sure they fix it for the run-offs, at the very least.

[UncleNoel]

34. If the vote continues to be less than .5 can they do recounts forever?