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My Pet Orangutan

(9,176 posts)
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 08:58 AM Nov 2020

'A total loss for the Trump campaign; The worst election litigation I have ever seen.'

In his Election Law Blog, Rick Hasen discusses how badly Rudy et al lost their case in Pennsylvania. Judge Brann's opening remarks will live in legal history

"Instead this Court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence. In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state."

https://electionlawblog.org/wp-content/uploads/gov.uscourts.pamd_.127057.202.0_1-1.pdf

At one point, Judge Brann compared the equal protection claim to a haphazardly stitched Frankenstein’s Monster. It was, in Rick Hasen's words, 'a dog of a case'. A case, I would add, argued by mutts, in service of a hyena.

Breaking: In Total Loss for Trump Campaign in Its Most Major Remaining Election Case, Federal Court in Pennsylvania Dismisses Case and Denies Motion to File Amended Complaint

The court had many problems with the complaint, but this goes to the heart of the merits: “Granting Plaintiffs’ requested relief would necessarily require invalidating the ballots of every person who voted in Pennsylvania. Because this Court has no authority to take away the right to vote of even a single person, let alone millions of citizens, it cannot grant Plaintiffs’ requested relief.”

The court first held that both the individual plaintiffs and the Trump campaign lacked standing to raise the equal protection complaint in the lawsuit. Among other thing, the court remarked: “Neither of these orders would redress the injury the Individual Plaintiffs allege they have suffered. Prohibiting certification of the election results would not reinstate the Individual Plaintiffs’ right to vote. It would simply deny more than 6.8 million people their right to vote.“

Further on the merits of the equal protection claim, the court held: “Requiring that every single county administer elections in exactly the same way would impose untenable burdens on counties, whether because of population, resources, or a myriad of other reasonable considerations.” And: “Plaintiffs’ only remaining claim alleges a violation of equal protection. This claim, like Frankenstein’s Monster, has been haphazardly stitched together from two distinct theories in an attempt to avoid controlling precedent.”

This is a total loss for the Trump campaign and a dead end. The campaign can try to appeal this to the Third Circuit and even to the Supreme Court, but this is such a dog of a case I cannot see any chance of success there, even before the most sympathetic judges.

Rudy had truly participated in the worst piece of election litigation I have ever seen, both in terms of the lawyering and the antidemocratic nature of what the lawsuit attempted to do.

https://electionlawblog.org/?p=118942
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'A total loss for the Trump campaign; The worst election litigation I have ever seen.' (Original Post) My Pet Orangutan Nov 2020 OP
"...argued by mutts, in service of a hyena." yardwork Nov 2020 #1
The orange master's voice My Pet Orangutan Nov 2020 #2
Complete, utter humiliation; total, all-consuming devastation Blue Owl Nov 2020 #3
The idiots are planning on an expedited appeal to the 3rd Circuit here in Philly BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #4
you know what? cab67 Nov 2020 #12
But see BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #14
I agree completely. cab67 Nov 2020 #16
Well if there are Democrats in those counties who were impacted (and I know there are) BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #17
Memo to right-wingers: Paladin Nov 2020 #5
How did Guiliani ever get through law school, let alone be mayor? KentuckyWoman Nov 2020 #6
He probably knows how ridiculous this is. He's desperate. yardwork Nov 2020 #7
Easy answer Oscarthegreat Nov 2020 #8
He got elected the same way most Republicans do... appmanga Nov 2020 #10
Ed Koch was a Democrat BumRushDaShow Nov 2020 #15
Who made this a lawyer anyway? rickyhall Nov 2020 #9
Something to think about (maybe) cab67 Nov 2020 #11
Surely this is an aberration. BobTheSubgenius Nov 2020 #13

Blue Owl

(50,240 posts)
3. Complete, utter humiliation; total, all-consuming devastation
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 09:57 AM
Nov 2020

And there he is, still clawing and groping like a deranged lunatic...

BumRushDaShow

(128,388 posts)
4. The idiots are planning on an expedited appeal to the 3rd Circuit here in Philly
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 10:30 AM
Nov 2020
https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2020-11-21/trump-seeks-expedited-appeal-of-pennsylvania-ruling-against-effort-to-toss-mail-in-ballots

And just a week ago, that SAME 3rd Circuit Court killed similar efforts, forcing them to keep revising their last doozy of gish gallop that they argued and just lost -
'
(FROM NOV. 16, 2020)

100 percent dead': Court ruling could torpedo some lawsuits challenging Trump's loss

Kevin McCoy and Dylan Segelbaum USA TODAY
Published 11:56 p.m. ET Nov. 16, 2020 | Updated 8:25 p.m. ET Nov. 17, 2020

A federal appeals court ruling may have torpedoed several federal lawsuits that seek to overturn President Donald Trump’s all-but-certified defeat by former Vice President Joe Biden. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit ruled Friday that Pennsylvania voters and a congressional candidate could not use certain constitutional arguments to back their claims that some voters were disadvantaged by changes to election rules spurred by the coronavirus pandemic and U.S. Postal System delays.

On Monday, Trump supporters who used similar constitutional arguments in federal lawsuits in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia and Wisconsin voluntarily dismissed their claims. The dismissals came in advance of Tuesday's oral arguments in a federal lawsuit filed by the Trump campaign in Pennsylvania. Attorneys for the campaign narrowed their legal arguments in that case to avoid running afoul of the appeals court ruling.

Although the revised complaint still argues 689,472 ballots were improperly processed and counted outside the view of Trump election watchers, it does not seek legal relief specifically on that point. Nonetheless, during Tuesday's hearing Trump's personal attorney, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, raised the possibility of seeking to invalidate those votes. He contended local election officials and their ballot processing rules "stole an election, at least in this Commonwealth."

However, when U.S. District Judge Matthew Brann asked whether the complaint alleges particular fraudulent acts, Giuliani answered: "No, your honor." Some election law and constitutional law experts predict that case, too, is in trouble.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/16/trump-lawsuits-challenging-election-handling-could-upended/6319960002/


And as we now know from the last sentence in the above, the case argued last Tuesday was not only "in trouble" but was elegantly blown out of the water.

All that was left of their arguments this past week was to whine that PA Counties like reddish (and Amish) Lancaster County did not apply the recommendations made by the PA SOS to allow people to fix issues with their ballots. ALL 67 Counties in PA were provided this guidance and some had time to and went on and tried to utilize that and others either didn't bother or refused to deal with a Democratic Secretary of State's guidance (not requirement but "option" ) and summarily had their ballots thrown out, in one case due to the oft-mentioned, nationally-discussed, and obsessed-over titillatingly-termed "naked ballot" issue.

These people, as part of the Plaintiffs, demanded "relief", not by being permitted to sue their own County Elections officials for not availing of the opportunity, but instead sought to disenfranchise millions of voters who successfully used this "no excuse absentee ballot" option, which was only available for the first time THIS YEAR!

The law (Act 77) was signed Oct. 31st, 2019 and went into effect for the primary election this year, which was supposed to happen April 28, 2020 but was moved to June 2, 2020 due to the coronavirus nightmare.

cab67

(2,990 posts)
12. you know what?
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 11:55 AM
Nov 2020

I think some of these voters should, indeed, sue their county officials for not following PA SOS recommendations.

BumRushDaShow

(128,388 posts)
14. But see
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 12:20 PM
Nov 2020

these people were all put-up for this. The GOP doesn't want to target anyone other than "blue counties" in "blue states". The strategy is quite clear in each state that they have filed suit in.

In essence, they are purposely cherry-picking places to eliminate votes so that what is left would provide a majority for 45, after which they would magically give that state's electors to him instead of to Biden. And in fact in some states, including here as I had recently seen, there were even suggestions to throw out ONLY the votes for the top of the ticket contest and leave the down-ballot races alone - all of which were being decided during this election and were on the SAME ballot (and in many cases, where they "won" ). It had been brought up to them that if they threw out all those mail-ins, they would invalidate GOP votes up and down the ballot and in PA's case, not certifying in time would cause the entire State House and 1/2 of the State Senate, to be vacated.

This is why the Voting Rights Act Sections 4 & 5, which were thrown out by the SCOTUS in 2013, need to be updated to codify a "revised" list of states that would require "pre-clearance" by DOJ, for any changes to their election rules that might be deemed to cause "voter suppression".

BumRushDaShow

(128,388 posts)
17. Well if there are Democrats in those counties who were impacted (and I know there are)
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 05:34 PM
Nov 2020

then I agree!

But anyone who made a conscious decision to sign on and cooperate with Ghouliani (and they most certainly know who the heck he is) to go through his gish gallop arguments in court with the expectation that if their mail-in votes didn't count, then no one's mail-in votes should count, then I have no sympathy. You had multiple lawyers dropping out once they got wind that the whole case wasn't really a case at all but a series of P.R. stunts to introduce nonsensical conspiracy theories into the political narrative in order to stoke the insanity of 73 million Americans.

I saw someone in another thread hypothesize that on Inauguration Day, 45 will hold his own "rally" where he "inaugurates himself" into a "new chapter" of crazy, firing up the crowd to continue the attacks against our system of government and our attempts to get a handle on an out-of-control pandemic that is bringing about what will eventually be yet another GOP-manufactured economic collapse.

Paladin

(28,243 posts)
5. Memo to right-wingers:
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 10:36 AM
Nov 2020

"States' Rights" has a larger effective definition than "Keeping Black kids out of white schools." Deal with it.

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
6. How did Guiliani ever get through law school, let alone be mayor?
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 10:41 AM
Nov 2020

It is very obvious I am smarter than Guiliani. It is very obvious the vast majority of us are smarter than Guiliani. How in the blue tarnations did that man ever get into college, let alone law school and elected mayor. Forrest Gump would be smarter than him.

yardwork

(61,534 posts)
7. He probably knows how ridiculous this is. He's desperate.
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 10:51 AM
Nov 2020

They know they won't win these court cases. That's not the point. The point is to convince half the country that Biden wasn't elected fairly. The point is to create confusion, distrust, and chaos. That leads to winning more elections, not necessarily for Trump, but for other corrupt Republicans.

It's a slow motion coup.

 

Oscarthegreat

(121 posts)
8. Easy answer
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 11:00 AM
Nov 2020

All of us are smarter than Guiliani, who is a psychotic imbecile. How did he even get into college? Trump, who speaks and spells like a six year old did, so that's no great feat. Some of the most stupid humans I even met were fellow college students.

appmanga

(566 posts)
10. He got elected the same way most Republicans do...
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 11:34 AM
Nov 2020

...by trafficking in fear and bigotry. People shouldn't let NYC's reputation as a bastion of liberalism fool them into thinking there isn't as much prejudice there as there is in some other American locales. The electoral success of Ed Koch, Giuliani, and Michael Bloomberg have a common throughline of at the least marginalizing NYC's people of color going toward demonizing them. How does Mitch McConnell get away with being the most effective purveyor of Jim Crow since the 1960s? By using the same playbook.

BumRushDaShow

(128,388 posts)
15. Ed Koch was a Democrat
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 01:04 PM
Nov 2020

as was one that you missed in that line of mayors - David Dinkins!

Every city ("blue" or not) has its elected racist scum, certainly we did here in Philly with ilk like Frank Rizzo, also a Democrat, who eventually switched parties in an attempt to run for a 3rd term years after his initiative to change the charter while in his 2nd-term, had failed by a 2-1 margin, denying him a consecutive 3rd term. His spawn is a Republican and was once an at-large City Council member.

cab67

(2,990 posts)
11. Something to think about (maybe)
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 11:49 AM
Nov 2020

The Trump administration might try to prolong all of this by appealing this on the basis of ineffective counsel.

(my tongue is quite firmly in my cheek.)

BobTheSubgenius

(11,558 posts)
13. Surely this is an aberration.
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 11:57 AM
Nov 2020

The majority, if not all, of their other litigation must be faring, much, much better in other venues. Wait. What's that you say?

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