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Cary

(11,746 posts)
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 02:45 PM Nov 2020

Do any of you feel confident?

Problems:

1. The Senate, unless we win the run offs.

2. 74 million death cult followers.

3. Republican state houses and governors.

4. No path to compromise so we can solve glaring problems made much worse by "conservatives."

5. Unqualified partisan hack judges.

6. Uncertainty as to our own unity and will to battle fascism.

The election elevated my spirits significantly but I am still nervous. Can we all pull together and do what we need to do or will we drop the ball like we did in 2016?

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Do any of you feel confident? (Original Post) Cary Nov 2020 OP
No matter what Trump being gone give us a chance. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #1
Republican state houses means more gerrymandering for another 10 years. tblue37 Nov 2020 #2
I am certain that we are better off MissB Nov 2020 #3
Yes relayerbob Nov 2020 #4
I personally feel supremely confident. NNadir Nov 2020 #5
Interesting, yes Cary Nov 2020 #19
Not 74 million death cult arlyellowdog Nov 2020 #6
The alternative Pantagruel Nov 2020 #7
#2 is our biggest problem & how appropriate they occupy the #2 position. CrispyQ Nov 2020 #8
My biggest fear is. . . pat_k Nov 2020 #9
Some inspirational quotes are called for at this juncture. pat_k Nov 2020 #10
Love it! Cary Nov 2020 #20
My bit of hope is that in 2022 Bettie Nov 2020 #11
Don't forget that Republicans also have the upper hand when it comes to redistricting... dubyadiprecession Nov 2020 #12
Trump will be gone peggysue2 Nov 2020 #13
Confident? Nope, hopeful? Yep beachbumbob Nov 2020 #14
I'm planning on leaving the country with my family. Crunchy Frog Nov 2020 #15
I don't have a lot of hope... stillcool Nov 2020 #16
I feel hopeful and glad. With the senate, I'll feel excited about the future. Hortensis Nov 2020 #17
We have shown that we have the will Cary Nov 2020 #21
Sit, be still, and listen, because you're drunk and we're at the edge of the roof. -- Rumi soothsayer Nov 2020 #18
Biden is going to have a monumental effort to get the smell of stupid out of the room. Initech Nov 2020 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Nov 2020 #23

MissB

(15,805 posts)
3. I am certain that we are better off
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 02:47 PM
Nov 2020

than we would be if Trump had been re-elected.

Biden has challenges in front of him to be sure. But he’s also capable of handling those.

He won’t be watching Fox News and OANN for much of the day, or dashing off to one of his (non existent) golf courses.

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
4. Yes
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 02:49 PM
Nov 2020

Expecting the worst will only help to ensure the worst. We must, as we have had to do since the beginning of time, is keeping working to make things better.

NNadir

(33,512 posts)
5. I personally feel supremely confident.
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 02:49 PM
Nov 2020

It's because I'm a fairly well read student of American history, including the first (shooting) Civil War, which was also lost by virulent racists.

arlyellowdog

(866 posts)
6. Not 74 million death cult
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 02:50 PM
Nov 2020

Sadly, I know a lot of people who voted for Trump totally based on not wanting to pay more taxes. I was hopeful these guys who really couldn’t stand Trump would not vote or go 3rd party or something. I found out from their wives, they voted Trump. Not death cult, but selfish Republicans.

 

Pantagruel

(2,580 posts)
7. The alternative
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 02:52 PM
Nov 2020

is clearly a dictatorship with a clown in charge.
Huge inherited problems for Biden but no choice but to govern honestly and intelligently.

CrispyQ

(36,446 posts)
8. #2 is our biggest problem & how appropriate they occupy the #2 position.
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 02:53 PM
Nov 2020
America’s Next Authoritarian Will Be Much More Competent
Trump was ineffective and easily beaten. A future strongman won’t be.

NOVEMBER 6, 2020
Zeynep Tufekci
Contributing writer at The Atlantic

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/trump-proved-authoritarians-can-get-elected-america/617023/

snip...

Make no mistake: The attempt to harness Trumpism—without Trump, but with calculated, refined, and smarter political talent—is coming. And it won’t be easy to make the next Trumpist a one-term president.

more...

At the moment, the Democratic Party risks celebrating Trump’s loss and moving on—an acute danger, especially because many of its constituencies, the ones that drove Trump’s loss, are understandably tired. A political nap for a few years probably looks appealing to many who opposed Trump, but the real message of this election is not that Trump lost and Democrats triumphed. It’s that a weak and untalented politician lost, while the rest of his party has completely entrenched its power over every other branch of government: the perfect setup for a talented right-wing populist to sweep into office in 2024. And make no mistake: They’re all thinking about it.


We are far from out of the woods.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
9. My biggest fear is. . .
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 02:55 PM
Nov 2020

. . .that to many on our side feel like we are "done" after defeating Trump.

If we are to make any progress in the coming years, we need the same kind of energy focused on winning state legislatures and governorships, winning more House and Senate seats at the midterms, and countering voter suppression to make it all possible. (I also fear that all the blanket defenses on how great the election went will sap energy from the latter efforts too.)

I don't have confidence in the mainstream party to do what needs to be done. We need the netroots and citizen lobbyists to mobilize to push them.

More thoughts here:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=14603616

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
10. Some inspirational quotes are called for at this juncture.
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 02:59 PM
Nov 2020

“Every great dream, begins with a dreamer. Always remember you have within you the strength, the patience and the passion to reach for the stars to change the world.”
–Harriet Tubman

“Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it.”
— Goethe

“They tried to bury us. They didn’t know we were seeds.”
— Dinos Christianopoulos

“New and stirring things are belittled because if they are not belittled the humiliating question arises ‘Why then are you not taking part in them?'”
— H.G. Wells

“Get up, stand up, Stand up for your rights. Get up, stand up, Don’t give up the fight.”
— Bob Marley

“Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, Nothing is going to get better. It’s not.”
— Dr. Seuss, The Lorax

“You are never too old to set another goal or dream a new dream.”
–C.S.Lewis

“It does not take a majority to prevail … but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.”
— Samuel Adams

“Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation, are people who want crops without ploughing the ground; they want rain without thunder and lightning; they want the ocean without the roar of its many waters. The struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, or it may be both. But it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.”
— Frederick Douglass

“Optimism is the faith that leads to achievement. Nothing can be done without hope and confidence.”
— Helen Keller

“Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much.”
— Helen Keller

“Don’t be afraid to take a big step. You can’t cross a chasm in two small jumps.”
— David Lloyd George

“If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more, and become more, you are a leader.”
–John Quincy Adams

“How wonderful it is that nobody need wait a single moment before starting to improve the world.”
— Anne Frank

“It’s the action, not the fruit of the action, that’s important. You have to do the right thing. It may not be in your power, may not be in your time, that there’ll be any fruit. But that doesn’t mean you stop doing the right thing. You may never know what results come from your action. But if you do nothing, there will be no result.”
— Mahatma Gandhi

“The question is not if we will be extremists, but what kind of extremists we will be. The nation and the world are in dire need of creative extremists.”
— Martin Luther King Jr.

Bettie

(16,083 posts)
11. My bit of hope is that in 2022
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 02:59 PM
Nov 2020

there are a whole lot of disaffected MAGATs who will form their own party or vote Libertarian, thus fucking over all of Republicans' dreams of gerrymandering working out.

Because those MAGAT assholes are as vengeful and grudge-nursing as their orange idol.

dubyadiprecession

(5,705 posts)
12. Don't forget that Republicans also have the upper hand when it comes to redistricting...
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 03:02 PM
Nov 2020

After the 2020 census. Somehow we goofed by not concentrating on state legislatures!

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
13. Trump will be gone
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 03:03 PM
Nov 2020

Always the primary goal. We now concentrate on the Georgia runoffs then switch to the 2022 elections for opportunities. Then straight on to 2024.

Not ideal nor the election results we expected. But . . . Trump will be out of our White House.

Consider how we'd all feel had the Squatter-in-Chief been reelected or had Biden's victory been razor-thin, giving fuel to all these ridiculous legal challenges?

So yes, I feel more confident than I have in the last four years. Lots of work to be done but we've accomplished Step 1, the ouster of a wanna-be despot.

Crunchy Frog

(26,579 posts)
15. I'm planning on leaving the country with my family.
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 03:09 PM
Nov 2020

I don't have any confidence in this country's future.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
16. I don't have a lot of hope...
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 03:10 PM
Nov 2020

it's never been so obvious to me that people who vote for the same old shit, actually like it. State governments are an integral part of reform. Whatever gets to the federal level, always seems to start in the states. Good and bad.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
17. I feel hopeful and glad. With the senate, I'll feel excited about the future.
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 03:12 PM
Nov 2020

With that large senate majority we won't have, I'd feel confident we were going to achieve many great advances.

Those who say we lack the will are lying or shockingly ignorant. We lack only enough power, and one guess who's to blame?

Check below, btw. If Pelosi's statement that should have shook the nation was covered anywhere in the MSM, instead of buried, I didn't see it. But she means it, and she's leader of many.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
21. We have shown that we have the will
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 07:08 PM
Nov 2020

But we have yet to show that we can sustain it. 2022 will be a big test.

We can break them. We should have broken them in 2016.

Initech

(100,059 posts)
22. Biden is going to have a monumental effort to get the smell of stupid out of the room.
Mon Nov 23, 2020, 07:16 PM
Nov 2020

But I am confident it can be done! My biggest worry though is SCOTUS. How does the worst president in US history get three SCOTUS picks?

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