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Peacetrain

(22,836 posts)
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 08:22 PM Nov 2020

Oh Please... give me break.. give me a F**king break

I am screaming at the TV .. can you let Biden set up his cabinet.. he is not going to be Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren AOC or any one else.. He is Joe Biden.. He ran on being Joe Biden.. He got elected as Joe Biden.. for the love of God.. after all the insanity of the last 4 years let Joe Biden bring it back to some kind of normalcy.. reset our priorities.. get us back into our treaties... re-align with our allies.. keep our Obamacare.. (watching Joy Reid and Jason Johnson was already saying who could and could not be in the Biden cabinet).. Jason.. he will use the people that he feels he can trust to get the job done that he Joe Biden ran on.

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Oh Please... give me break.. give me a F**king break (Original Post) Peacetrain Nov 2020 OP
Agree leftieNanner Nov 2020 #1
Yes, 80 plus million people voted for Joe Biden and .. CatMor Nov 2020 #2
They do not care about giving you a break Ferrets are Cool Nov 2020 #3
Yup Sherman A1 Nov 2020 #5
you mean I don't really need Trulicity? mdbl Nov 2020 #89
Beschloss just spoke for you and me..... OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2020 #4
I heard him as I was typing the op.. Peacetrain Nov 2020 #7
NO! JoeOtterbein Nov 2020 #18
Sorry Joe....you fight the war today. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2020 #21
No problem! JoeOtterbein Nov 2020 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Hekate Nov 2020 #31
Dealing with climate change is no longer just a progressive issue lunatica Nov 2020 #88
+ I agree with Beschloss. I enjoy Joy Reid and Jason Johnson, but they were off base tonight. nt iluvtennis Nov 2020 #36
Jason doesn't want the conditions that led to Trump radius777 Nov 2020 #111
TY for that.. I didn't hear it so I Cha Nov 2020 #54
thank you. efhmc Nov 2020 #6
Indeed. treestar Nov 2020 #8
Right. mzmolly Nov 2020 #9
Well.... spicysista Nov 2020 #10
Well... Peacetrain Nov 2020 #12
Consider listening to the segment minus the screaming. Really listening. spicysista Nov 2020 #15
FWIW, I'm 56 y.o. and white, and totally understand what you're saying! I really don't bullwinkle428 Nov 2020 #20
The MAGA army is relentless. spicysista Nov 2020 #23
MAGA is a swarm of termites who want to destroy the house. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Nov 2020 #94
So, several days ago I sent the video to Rice4VP Nov 2020 #61
Agree completely with Jason, who is not some anti-Dem leftist, radius777 Nov 2020 #108
"listening to various voices means also listening to the voices of the Dem base." spicysista Nov 2020 #110
Good thing he wasn't/isn't one of those. Good Democrats, but trump would have likely beaten them. Hoyt Nov 2020 #11
There's no time for comfort and complacency JGladstone Nov 2020 #13
This! spicysista Nov 2020 #14
Fist bump deserves a hattip in kind then JGladstone Nov 2020 #26
Yep! JoeOtterbein Nov 2020 #17
Thanks Joe JGladstone Nov 2020 #25
Hi Joe! mvd Nov 2020 #33
if the majority had wanted that, they wouldn't have reverted to the same old Skittles Nov 2020 #19
Define majority JGladstone Nov 2020 #24
Thank You!!!! McKim Nov 2020 #34
I wouldn't exactly call it a "conspiracy" but this kind of paints that picture JGladstone Nov 2020 #42
honestly Skittles Nov 2020 #35
Opinions on that vary JGladstone Nov 2020 #39
oh WHATEVER Skittles Nov 2020 #40
lol, Brown kids in cages and they decide not to vote as a form of protest . How fucked up are they ? JI7 Nov 2020 #44
US Imperialism has been blowing up and killing brown people and kids for decades JGladstone Nov 2020 #46
I am a brown person whose ancestors were colonized by the British and I love the British PEople JI7 Nov 2020 #48
You're building little straw scarecrows that have no legs :) JGladstone Nov 2020 #50
You are the one making excuses by bringing up shitty things that happened before as an excuse for JI7 Nov 2020 #52
Post removed Post removed Nov 2020 #58
LOL , Who said anything about being owed votes ? If people are going to behave in Shitty WAys they JI7 Nov 2020 #60
You wrote "failures of the Democratic Party" twice R B Garr Nov 2020 #62
It's a majority of people who voted yes JGladstone Nov 2020 #66
Yes, the largest turnout in history is not a failure. R B Garr Nov 2020 #68
Ok...organizing then is a better term :) JGladstone Nov 2020 #73
Welcome to DU Hekate Nov 2020 #80
Tick-tock. NurseJackie Nov 2020 #91
Indeed Hekate Nov 2020 #92
Ding! NurseJackie Nov 2020 #96
How bitter! treestar Nov 2020 #107
"non voting" is Lazy & Self Centered.. letting everyone Cha Nov 2020 #56
Post removed Post removed Nov 2020 #63
It's been warming up to Fascism for the Cha Nov 2020 #64
Hey...I'm not sorry to see the asshole and his clan go by any stretch JGladstone Nov 2020 #70
most populism is bigotry against other groups. That's why you dismiss my comments on immigration JI7 Nov 2020 #65
I'm willing to guess my stance on immigration is to the left of you and most Democrats JGladstone Nov 2020 #67
Racism Happens in Non Capitalist Societies also. The problem is Racism JI7 Nov 2020 #69
Sounds like we differ on the origins of racism quite a bit I think JGladstone Nov 2020 #71
It's not a matter opinion. There is racism is non capitalist societies also . Racism is a problem in JI7 Nov 2020 #72
... lapucelle Nov 2020 #95
Ineffective protest treestar Nov 2020 #106
That's simply not true. In 2016, 2012, 2008, etc. a higher % of people didn't vote and they... George II Nov 2020 #87
More than half of those who voted did so for Biden. THAT is a majority! George II Nov 2020 #90
Provide evidence BainsBane Nov 2020 #104
We've had a pizza delivery BainsBane Nov 2020 #109
I agree with this and the OP ecstatic Nov 2020 #38
Electoral politics is only part of the picture though JGladstone Nov 2020 #41
They are actually nothing more than Slogans these days used mostly by wannabe REvolutionaries JI7 Nov 2020 #49
Ah...I see JGladstone Nov 2020 #53
What Class Struggle ? Non College White People Cheering on bigotry is because of class struggle ? JI7 Nov 2020 #55
What does that have to do BainsBane Nov 2020 #105
I'm shocked, absolutely shocked, that politics are happening here! JoeOtterbein Nov 2020 #16
Agreed. The reason Democrats have lost FAR more elections than they should have is because of TrollBuster9090 Nov 2020 #27
+1000! crimycarny Nov 2020 #30
Also 3: Polybius Nov 2020 #32
Yep IsItJustMe Nov 2020 #45
Well said Dem2 Nov 2020 #47
"Oh, I don't think this is what so-and-so would have done." BobTheSubgenius Nov 2020 #28
Peacetrain, a couple of hours ago I almost started screaming at my computer for the same reason... Hekate Nov 2020 #29
You are not alone dear Hekate.. Peacetrain Nov 2020 #75
Question Doremus Nov 2020 #85
K&R betsuni Nov 2020 #37
LOL IsItJustMe Nov 2020 #43
Ha ha ha. Next you'll quote Will Rogers. Ha ha. Ha. But you know what? This is why we LOSE. Hekate Nov 2020 #79
TY Peactrain! Biden has a Huge Coalition Cha Nov 2020 #51
Cha I have just seen this play before! Peacetrain Nov 2020 #74
Yeah, I saw it, too.. & left Cha Nov 2020 #97
I hope it'll be better Hekate Nov 2020 #99
Exactly, Hekate.. I came back Cha Nov 2020 #102
Well, throw the Bernie/AOC supporters a bone, if you still want them in your coalition TristanIsolde Nov 2020 #78
They ran for president as Democrats. They lost. They did what was right & supported the winner.... Hekate Nov 2020 #93
Yeah, this refrain made me turn off the news today and Rice4VP Nov 2020 #57
Amen! I've been noticing that flawed logic, as well. R B Garr Nov 2020 #59
This will not be a "Bernie-light" or a "Warren-light" administration. The voters chose Joe over all... NurseJackie Nov 2020 #81
Exactly, this rehashing of completely defeated talking points just to maintain R B Garr Nov 2020 #82
Well Said, RB! Cha Nov 2020 #103
Thanks Cha! R B Garr Nov 2020 #112
Thanks.. I hope you did, too! Cha Nov 2020 #113
It's all psychological warfare. Baitball Blogger Nov 2020 #76
It's all psychological warfare. Baitball Blogger Nov 2020 #77
Yeah, pundits got to pundit. Joinfortmill Nov 2020 #83
KR NT ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2020 #84
Joe is just what our country needs right now. warmfeet Nov 2020 #86
Total Agreement marieo1 Nov 2020 #98
Biden said when campaigning that he would be the most progressive president in history. miffelplix Nov 2020 #100
You're wrong TheFarseer Nov 2020 #101

leftieNanner

(14,997 posts)
1. Agree
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 08:27 PM
Nov 2020

And he will choose members of his cabinet who are not lightning rods for the right. He will choose competence and intelligence.

CatMor

(6,212 posts)
2. Yes, 80 plus million people voted for Joe Biden and ..
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 08:27 PM
Nov 2020

Kamala Harris not Bernie, Warren or AOC. It is his cabinet to chose.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,059 posts)
3. They do not care about giving you a break
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 08:29 PM
Nov 2020

all they care about is ratings....controversy equals ratings in most cases. It's why I stopped watching years ago.
When KO left, I left.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
5. Yup
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 08:32 PM
Nov 2020

Their job is to fill airtime between ads for drugs we never knew we needed. Anyone believing that Cable noise is actually journalism is really kidding themselves.

OAITW r.2.0

(23,812 posts)
4. Beschloss just spoke for you and me.....
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 08:30 PM
Nov 2020

can we have just have one night where we breathe a sigh of relief and enjoy the moment? And,"I've got 2 20 something sons that I feel have a future now (my words)." It was a good end on AM Joy.....the fun for policy folks start in January.....

JoeOtterbein

(7,697 posts)
18. NO!
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 09:54 PM
Nov 2020

It's time to get to work! The republicks will not give us any quarter. Get your progressive talking points ready. We will need them!

Response to JoeOtterbein (Reply #22)

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
88. Dealing with climate change is no longer just a progressive issue
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 04:59 PM
Nov 2020

It’s as mainstream as it gets now. Biden has already pledged to tie the economy, job creation and a higher minimum wage and climate change mitigation together as his policy.

He’s already talked about doing something about racial disparities, police reformation and free education. Those aren’t just progressive issues anymore. They’re mainstream human issues he’s addressing right away.

He may not call himself a Progressive, but he is a man responding to the dire needs we have now.

radius777

(3,624 posts)
111. Jason doesn't want the conditions that led to Trump
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 08:51 PM
Nov 2020

to re-emerge, and going back to 'business as usual' won't cut it, especially if it includes the likes of Rahm Emmanuel.

We can all be happy to have professionals back in these jobs while calling for a better direction, one that will smash Trumpism and the RW at the same time.

Cha

(295,899 posts)
54. TY for that.. I didn't hear it so I
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:55 AM
Nov 2020

don't know what Beschloss said but sounds like I would like it.

spicysista

(1,663 posts)
10. Well....
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 09:10 PM
Nov 2020

Commentators are going to comment. It's their job to present different perspectives. 2 people on the panel shared your view and 2 were raising alarm at some of the names being floated for the Biden/Harris administration. No one was asking for Joe to be anyone else. They didn't even have anything bad to say about the people he has actually chosen. Joy described Biden's picks as a return to normalcy.




Looking to 2022 and 2024, the last thing we need to do is get comfortable. It was discomfort that raised black folks all over Georgia, native and latino communities all over the southwest, and progressives everywhere. As long as the electoral college remains a thing, we will continue to need them in these record breaking numbers.
Taking a breather is what happened to many after Obama was elected. The other side never stopped. Some on our side got real comfortable, under estimating the pure determination and focus of our opposition. It cost us very dearly. We can not afford to let that happen again.


The entire segment for anyone who'd like to see it.

spicysista

(1,663 posts)
15. Consider listening to the segment minus the screaming. Really listening.
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 09:44 PM
Nov 2020

I've read and reread your post. Your anger seems misplaced to me. Because we are on the same side, I thought I'd converse with you about it. That's alright, though. Have a good evening.

bullwinkle428

(20,626 posts)
20. FWIW, I'm 56 y.o. and white, and totally understand what you're saying! I really don't
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 09:59 PM
Nov 2020

think that an attitude of, "Chill the fuck out, everyone, 'cause Joe's got this!" is going to cut it in this era, when the MAGA army is hell bent on the destruction of democracy itself. We literally need 24/7 vigilance, just to maintain all of the things that have sustained a civil society for as long as we can all remember.

spicysista

(1,663 posts)
23. The MAGA army is relentless.
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 10:23 PM
Nov 2020

You're absolutely right. We must remain focused on our goals. There is no rest for the weary in the fight for progress!

94. MAGA is a swarm of termites who want to destroy the house.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 05:51 PM
Nov 2020

The thing is, even if Trump had be reelected and Republicans installed in all positions, they would not be satisfied -- ever. I heard this from an anti-abortion woman. Once Roe v. Wade is overturned, she said, they were going after birth control.

Rice4VP

(1,235 posts)
61. So, several days ago I sent the video to
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:30 AM
Nov 2020

“Can you feel a brand new day” from The Wiz in one of my WhatsApp chats. That’s what Joy was singing at the end. GMTA

radius777

(3,624 posts)
108. Agree completely with Jason, who is not some anti-Dem leftist,
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 08:33 PM
Nov 2020

but someone who supported (iirc) Warren in the primaries and then was fully behind Biden once it was down to Bernie vs Biden.

The concerns Jason voices are spot on - listening to various voices means also listening to the voices of the Dem base.

spicysista

(1,663 posts)
110. "listening to various voices means also listening to the voices of the Dem base."
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 08:41 PM
Nov 2020

Exactly, radius777. We are all on the same team, here. Unlike "The Borg" like members of the opposition, we are a big tent of very diverse individuals. There has to be room for these types of discussions.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
11. Good thing he wasn't/isn't one of those. Good Democrats, but trump would have likely beaten them.
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 09:19 PM
Nov 2020
 

JGladstone

(42 posts)
13. There's no time for comfort and complacency
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 09:23 PM
Nov 2020

“For years I labored with the idea of reforming the existing institutions of society, a little change here, a little change there. Now I feel quite differently. I think you’ve got to have a radical reconstruction of the entire society and a revolution of values.”

--MLK

 

JGladstone

(42 posts)
25. Thanks Joe
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 10:42 PM
Nov 2020

I do understand the sentiment to breathe and rejoice. Trump and his clan of barbarian enablers represented the most reactionary faction of private capital. But...Trump and his regime were a symptom and the result of a much larger and deeper problem. If that deeper problem is not addressed... the result will be more reactionary barbarians like Trump and worse.

mvd

(65,148 posts)
33. Hi Joe!
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 11:19 PM
Nov 2020

I am happy to have grown ups back in charge. I almost forgot what it looked like. I also do not expect Biden to be Bernie Sanders. But I don’t think criticisms are out of bounds. I feel Biden’s cabinet is shaping up to be better than Obama’s first one was, so that’s a positive. Yellen for instance should be a solid pick, there’s good diversity, and Blinken said today we can’t expect to intervene everywhere there is a problem.

Skittles

(152,964 posts)
19. if the majority had wanted that, they wouldn't have reverted to the same old
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 09:56 PM
Nov 2020

ya know? But they did.

 

JGladstone

(42 posts)
24. Define majority
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 10:30 PM
Nov 2020

80 million people eligible to vote didn't vote. The majority of that non-voting bloc are poor and struggling working-class people tired of business as usual and the political opportunism of campaign slogans that melt into thin air.

McKim

(2,412 posts)
34. Thank You!!!!
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 11:23 PM
Nov 2020

Thank you for mentioning that we have about 40% of poor people. They need to be front and center to our discussions. I have heard plenty about "democracy". and "security because we have enemies and adversaries". I want to hear about the reality that poor people face. Another rocket went to space last week that I am forced to pay for while people are lined up for miles for free food. What's wrong with this picture?

 

JGladstone

(42 posts)
42. I wouldn't exactly call it a "conspiracy" but this kind of paints that picture
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:10 AM
Nov 2020

“The history of mankind shows that from the beginning of the world, the rich of all countries have been in a permanent state of conspiracy to keep down the poor of all countries, and for this plain reason – because the poverty of the poor man is essential to the riches of the rich man. No matter by what means they may disguise their operations, the rich are everlastingly plundering, debasing, and brutalising the poor. The desire of one man to live on the fruits of another’s labour is the original sin of the world. It is the parent injustice from which all injustice springs.”

--James Bronterre O’Brien (leader in the Irish Chartist movement)

 

JGladstone

(42 posts)
39. Opinions on that vary
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 11:45 PM
Nov 2020

Non-voting has a rich and storied history as a form of protest against the status quo and political representation that does not measure up to its promises of change. Emma Goldman's rallying cry... "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal" resonates with millions of those struggling and left behind. The illusion of "prosperity for all" and "the American Dream" was a sales pitch and a scam from its inception.

Skittles

(152,964 posts)
40. oh WHATEVER
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 11:49 PM
Nov 2020

if the threat of FASCISM doesn't get people to the voting booth, I doubt poverty will either.

DONE HERE.

JI7

(89,172 posts)
44. lol, Brown kids in cages and they decide not to vote as a form of protest . How fucked up are they ?
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:18 AM
Nov 2020
 

JGladstone

(42 posts)
46. US Imperialism has been blowing up and killing brown people and kids for decades
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:26 AM
Nov 2020

It's a bipartisan affair. How fucked up is that?

“This country is a nation of thieves. It stole everything it has, beginning with black people. The U.S. cannot justify its existence as the policeman of the world any longer. I do not want to be a part of the American pie. The American pie means raping South Africa, beating Vietnam, beating South America, raping the Philippines, raping every country you’ve been in. I don’t want any of your blood money. I don’t want to be part of that system. We must question whether or not we want this country to continue being the wealthiest country in the world at the price of raping everybody else.”

--Stokely Carmichael

JI7

(89,172 posts)
48. I am a brown person whose ancestors were colonized by the British and I love the British PEople
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:33 AM
Nov 2020

Why are you making excuses for ignoring shitty treatment of brown people TODAY because shitty things happened before also ?

You remind me of Right Wingers who bring up shitty treatment of Gays in Muslim countries as an excuse to treat Muslims in the US like shit.

 

JGladstone

(42 posts)
50. You're building little straw scarecrows that have no legs :)
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:47 AM
Nov 2020

I ignored nothing nor made any excuses for Trump's sadistic immigration "policies." I simply made a case why many people are so disgusted with the political system they do not vote. You are creating caricatures that only exist in your mind. You've also drifted in an entirely different direction as to the commentary in the OP. Would you like to discuss open borders? Private capital knows no borders or boundries. Why should people?

JI7

(89,172 posts)
52. You are the one making excuses by bringing up shitty things that happened before as an excuse for
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:54 AM
Nov 2020

people's fucked up shitty ass behavior today .

Response to JI7 (Reply #52)

JI7

(89,172 posts)
60. LOL , Who said anything about being owed votes ? If people are going to behave in Shitty WAys they
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:27 AM
Nov 2020

will be called out for it . They aren't going to be seen as some great Revolutionary .

Why ignore the real issue of immigration and racism in favor of Slogans concerning Capitalism and the non existant class struggle ?

Why avoid the real issue ?

Trump supporters rich and poor unite in their white supremacy .

That's where the division is.

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
62. You wrote "failures of the Democratic Party" twice
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:33 AM
Nov 2020

in this post. “Exploitation and oppression”. Welcome to DU.

Actually, Biden has received more votes than any other candidate in history, yet you insist that’s not a majority.

 

JGladstone

(42 posts)
66. It's a majority of people who voted yes
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:47 AM
Nov 2020

I'm certainly not disputing the election results. lol I'm saying non-voters still outnumber the vote totals of both parties. So actually, non-voters are the slim majority of people eligible to vote. I'm also saying the Democratic Party would never lose another election if they could reach those non-voters in which the majority are struggling workers and the poor who the Democratic Party claims they represent. That non-voting bloc leans left by wide margins yet the Democratic Party can't attract the non-voters. That says something about playing it safe and in the middle.

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
68. Yes, the largest turnout in history is not a failure.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:56 AM
Nov 2020

It’s a success. The rest of what you wrote is idealistic and involves more than “reaching out” —see Stacey Abrams.

 

JGladstone

(42 posts)
73. Ok...organizing then is a better term :)
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 03:24 AM
Nov 2020

I'm just saying there's a lot more to it for leftists than organizing around get out the vote and elections.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
107. How bitter!
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 08:33 PM
Nov 2020

That person can just stay out. How did the US "rape South Africa?" The US protested the apartheid!

And find a better country. Any dominant country has invaded other countries in the past.

And there are brown people who have done terrible things too.

Cha

(295,899 posts)
56. "non voting" is Lazy & Self Centered.. letting everyone
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:05 AM
Nov 2020

else Fight Fascism.. while they sit home and pout.

Response to Cha (Reply #56)

Cha

(295,899 posts)
64. It's been warming up to Fascism for the
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:41 AM
Nov 2020

light 4 years & if trump had gotten another 4 years it would have gone FuLL BLOWN.

Joe Biden BEAT BACK the FASCISTS WITH his Broad Coalition of 80 Million VOTERS... & We, the Democratic Party, were a Big Part of that.. Because WE VOTED.

 

JGladstone

(42 posts)
70. Hey...I'm not sorry to see the asshole and his clan go by any stretch
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 03:07 AM
Nov 2020

On a personal level, he has wreaked havoc and despair on many in my immediate circle. I also understand the problem goes much deeper than Trump and the last four years. Those that don't want to admit that are blind to the realities of the systematic problems we face. I'm a leftist. I'm also not stupid. More of Trump would do nothing but weaken an already fractured and weak working class in the fightback against private capital. Any reforms that strengthen and unite the working class in that fightback are called for at this point in time.

JI7

(89,172 posts)
65. most populism is bigotry against other groups. That's why you dismiss my comments on immigration
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:44 AM
Nov 2020

in favor of slogans about capitalism .

 

JGladstone

(42 posts)
67. I'm willing to guess my stance on immigration is to the left of you and most Democrats
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:51 AM
Nov 2020

That you fail to make the connection between immigration and capitalism is pretty telling also. Do you also separate racism from capitalism?

JI7

(89,172 posts)
69. Racism Happens in Non Capitalist Societies also. The problem is Racism
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:59 AM
Nov 2020

but you want to ignore it in favor of slogans .

 

JGladstone

(42 posts)
71. Sounds like we differ on the origins of racism quite a bit I think
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 03:16 AM
Nov 2020

maybe pick it up at another time if you're interested in a discussion on it. I need to sleep. Interesting back and forth. Cheers

JI7

(89,172 posts)
72. It's not a matter opinion. There is racism is non capitalist societies also . Racism is a problem in
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 03:17 AM
Nov 2020

itself. It's not because racists are victims.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
106. Ineffective protest
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 08:31 PM
Nov 2020

And total cynicism that there never can be a government of the people. Misanthropy, really.

George II

(67,782 posts)
87. That's simply not true. In 2016, 2012, 2008, etc. a higher % of people didn't vote and they...
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 04:53 PM
Nov 2020

...weren't "tired of business as usual and political opportunism".

Americans just don't vote like those in other countries. It can't be attributed solely to the reasons you give.

BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
104. Provide evidence
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 08:22 PM
Nov 2020

for your claims about what working class non-voters want. You have none. You have your assumptions. And people who don't vote have fuck all to say about the government because they chose to forsake their right to vote.

To pretend they want a "progressive" cabinet is even more ridiculous. They don't care who president is, they sure as hell don't care who is in the government. What characterizes them is apathy.

BTW, you seem to have missed the TOS for this site. It's for DEMOCRATS, not Trumpsters, third party trash, or protest non-voters.

ecstatic

(32,566 posts)
38. I agree with this and the OP
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 11:33 PM
Nov 2020

But we can't do shit without winning the senate first. One thing at a time.

 

JGladstone

(42 posts)
41. Electoral politics is only part of the picture though
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 12:38 AM
Nov 2020

Regardless of the makeup of the political state, the struggle for social and economic justice doesn't end or lie dormant with proclamations of "what can you do that's all we have to work with." Acceptance is defeat. "We" are not all in this together. The ruling class and the working class have an entirely different set of priorities that are not conducive to "we are all in this together." Politics is about power and resources and who is in control. Political democracy without economic democracy is a sham and a fraud. A mere illusion of representation for the working class. Private capital and the owners have the power and are in control. That must change if the calls for equality and justice are to be more than just slogans.

"It seems the most logical thing in the world to believe that the natural resources of the Earth, upon which the race depends for food, clothing and shelter, should be owned collectively by the race instead of being the private property of a few social parasites."

--Ralph Chaplin

JI7

(89,172 posts)
55. What Class Struggle ? Non College White People Cheering on bigotry is because of class struggle ?
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:56 AM
Nov 2020

HAHAHAHHAHA

JoeOtterbein

(7,697 posts)
16. I'm shocked, absolutely shocked, that politics are happening here!
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 09:51 PM
Nov 2020

It's called democracy. And we Democrats are the ultimate pros at it!

TrollBuster9090

(5,953 posts)
27. Agreed. The reason Democrats have lost FAR more elections than they should have is because of
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 10:51 PM
Nov 2020

...because of two things:

1. Because we (to quote our hero) "let the perfect be the enemy of the good," and

2. We haven't yet mastered the fine art of sneaking many of our agenda items in, underneath the TV Yakker's radar, with low profile appointments, and low profile changes to regulations. That's something we could learn from Republicans.

I'm what most would classify as a far-left progressive. But I'm SICK of Republicans constantly winning elections because far-left progressives think the national (rather than local) candidate is 'too establishment,' and either end up staying home on Election Day, or voting third party.

The first year of the Obama Administration was a HIDEOUS, PAINFUL sight to behold, with hardly any Democrats supporting Obama's agenda. Where two thirds of the Democratic caucus thought Obama was too centrist, and one third thought he was too far left, and whined about losing their precious Senate seats in purple states. As a result of that, they wasted a golden opportunity to get a lot of things done.

At this point, the important thing is to get some points on the board. If the FIRST IMPRESSION of Biden is that he's a centrist, moderate...GOOD! Then MORE purple states will elect Democratic Senators in 2022. If the FIRST IMPRESSION of Biden is that he's "going to cave to the left's every whim" then the opposite will happen; and by 2023 he'll be boxed in by a Republican Senate AND a Republican House. And in that position, he won't be able to implement ANY progressive policies.

Polybius

(15,235 posts)
32. Also 3:
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 11:18 PM
Nov 2020

3. We support changing too many things that less than 1% of the population was offended with, such as removing the Land Of Lakes Lady, changing the name of Eskimo Pies, and stopping Nike from issuing a Betsy Ross sneaker. We need to stop worrying about minor offenses.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,535 posts)
28. "Oh, I don't think this is what so-and-so would have done."
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 10:58 PM
Nov 2020

"This is not what we'd expect from an extreme progressivestuck in the 50's
conservative..."

Etc. No shit.

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
29. Peacetrain, a couple of hours ago I almost started screaming at my computer for the same reason...
Tue Nov 24, 2020, 11:12 PM
Nov 2020

You’ll never guess which discussion board I was on at the time (I’d give you 3 guesses, but I’m only on one and everybody knows it). I had to turn it off and go away.

What the ever-loving obscenity is wrong with “our side”?



Peacetrain

(22,836 posts)
75. You are not alone dear Hekate..
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 11:15 AM
Nov 2020

I am not going to do this again...people tried to kneecap President Obama before he even took his oath, because he was picking the wrong people to speak at his inauguration.. and it just went downhill from there... I am not up to trying to cajole anyone anymore... hold their hand, and tell them I understand.. I do NOT understand this tactic. ..there is so much to be done on the international stage..

I thought there were be joy above joy with Kerry being elevated to a cabinet post for environmental issues.. just as an example.. I never ever want to hear.. "holding his feet to the fire" again.. if Biden screws up,okay then talk to me ..but this nit picking as he tries to set up his cabinet.. been down this road before

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
85. Question
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 04:49 PM
Nov 2020

"...because he was picking the wrong people to speak at his inauguration.. and it just went downhill from there..."

Ever wonder what might have resulted if he chose speakers/officiants who appealed to more of his base? Oh, (sorry, 2 questions) and what benefit did he and/or the party directly receive by making selections that much of his base found repugnant?

If you have any thoughts I'd appreciate hearing them bc this is something I've often wondered about.

IsItJustMe

(7,012 posts)
43. LOL
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:16 AM
Nov 2020

This is not the Republican party my friend with that totalitarian streak running through it. Getting Democrats to line up is like trying to herd cats. Not gonna happen. A big tent with lots of opinions.

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
79. Ha ha ha. Next you'll quote Will Rogers. Ha ha. Ha. But you know what? This is why we LOSE.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 04:24 PM
Nov 2020

I love it that the Democratic Party is a big tent, but our chronic inability to pull together and play the long game is a big component in our chronic losing.

Cha

(295,899 posts)
51. TY Peactrain! Biden has a Huge Coalition
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:52 AM
Nov 2020

that BEAT THE FASCISTS BACK.

He's Earned his right to Choose who HE Wants in his Cabinet!

Peacetrain

(22,836 posts)
74. Cha I have just seen this play before!
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 11:10 AM
Nov 2020

People on this site no less.. wanted to impeach, yes impeach Barack Obama before he had even taken the oath.. sigh.. I am hoping for better angels this time.

Cha

(295,899 posts)
97. Yeah, I saw it, too.. & left
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 06:19 PM
Nov 2020

for 2 years because of it.

I know it's going to be a little better than that.

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
99. I hope it'll be better
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 08:00 PM
Nov 2020

I feel like I hung out in the BOG for 8 years. Anyhow, I think a number of the worst offenders may be gone, one way or another ( He’s caving again! Throwing gays under the bus again! He’s spelunking again! ) — but some are still here, some are returnees/ socks, and I know their catch-phrases and excuses all too well. What I hope is that DU as a community has learned from this.



Cha

(295,899 posts)
102. Exactly, Hekate.. I came back
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 08:18 PM
Nov 2020

bc we did have the BOG.. a private forum for PBO supporters ONLY.

I was a mod.. lol! I loved that BOG sanctuary from whatever. Mahalo to all our wonderful BOG MODS!

I remember Skinner commenting that he was sorry that all went down that way.. paraphrasing.

It is going to be better now.. we don't have to be sequestered in a JRBG!



TristanIsolde

(272 posts)
78. Well, throw the Bernie/AOC supporters a bone, if you still want them in your coalition
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:06 PM
Nov 2020

Is that too much to ask ? I am not following much yet since I was hung up on all the certification shenanigans, but I hope the direction is to make everyone happy.

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
93. They ran for president as Democrats. They lost. They did what was right & supported the winner....
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 05:47 PM
Nov 2020

....in order to defeat Trump, who is a very dangerous man indeed. Joe Biden not only won the nomination, he won the presidency by historic margins.

Joe Biden has already put John Kerry in his cabinet as Climate Czar. Biden is elevating the position not only to Cabinet level, but to sit at the National Security level. Kerry has a very long record in this regard. He was endorsed by no less than Al Gore.

Does this make you happy? It makes me happy. Or is it just “throwing the Bernie/AOC supporters a bone” and will they proceed to depart the Party in high dudgeon and, I don’t know, start a 3rd party?

Or is it not even a bone?

Rice4VP

(1,235 posts)
57. Yeah, this refrain made me turn off the news today and
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:11 AM
Nov 2020

watch reality TV instead. One of the new congressman from NY (just elected) was talking about how Biden shouldn’t hire Rahm Emanuel because he covered up a murder. So sick of these newbies

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
59. Amen! I've been noticing that flawed logic, as well.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:23 AM
Nov 2020

Joe Biden won. He won by separating himself from all the others and voters followed him. It’s just that simple. It’s his cabinet and he is trusted for his experience and judgment.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
81. This will not be a "Bernie-light" or a "Warren-light" administration. The voters chose Joe over all...
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 04:30 PM
Nov 2020
Joe Biden won. He won by separating himself from all the others and voters followed him.
This will not be a "Bernie-light" or a "Warren-light" administration. The voters chose Joe over all others during the primary for a reason. I see the people are still grieving and still denying reality but they'll just have to do their very best to let it go and trust in Joe. We've had our primaries, our convention, the general election... and that's plenty of time to realize and understand what the people want. Folks need to stop trying to undermine and kneecap Joe Biden (even before he's taken the oath of office).

R B Garr

(16,919 posts)
82. Exactly, this rehashing of completely defeated talking points just to maintain
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 04:39 PM
Nov 2020

relevance is completely unnecessary. Elections have been conducted, and several losses later doesn't mean voters should have to deal with agendas they clearly rejected.

Great post, NJ!

Baitball Blogger

(46,572 posts)
76. It's all psychological warfare.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:58 PM
Nov 2020

The more they pound Joe for being an alleged progressive, the more Joe will go right to prove them wrong. It’s how Republicans and conservative control the situation. You have the right to be angry, The only thing different this time is Kamala Harris there to remind Joe who voted for him.

Baitball Blogger

(46,572 posts)
77. It's all psychological warfare.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:59 PM
Nov 2020

The more they pound Joe for being an alleged progressive, the more Joe will go Right to prove them wrong. It’s how Republicans and conservatives control the situation. You have the right to be angry, The only thing different this time is Kamala Harris there to remind Joe who voted for him.

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
86. Joe is just what our country needs right now.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 04:50 PM
Nov 2020

The people have spoken. Joseph R. Biden will be our president come January 20th.

marieo1

(1,402 posts)
98. Total Agreement
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 07:30 PM
Nov 2020

Oh, I agree wholeheartedly...........as if we haven't been through enough, now they are complaining about President Joe Biden's picks. President Biden know who he can and won't work with - keep your noses out of HIS business............thank you!!

miffelplix

(53 posts)
100. Biden said when campaigning that he would be the most progressive president in history.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 08:11 PM
Nov 2020

To accomplish that, I would assume he would need to appoint some progressives.

TheFarseer

(9,308 posts)
101. You're wrong
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 08:11 PM
Nov 2020

He is going to put zombie Joseph Stalin and Pol Pot in his cabinet and every one who is not gay or an illegal immigrant is going to be put in a death camp.

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