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I am screaming at the TV .. can you let Biden set up his cabinet.. he is not going to be Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren AOC or any one else.. He is Joe Biden.. He ran on being Joe Biden.. He got elected as Joe Biden.. for the love of God.. after all the insanity of the last 4 years let Joe Biden bring it back to some kind of normalcy.. reset our priorities.. get us back into our treaties... re-align with our allies.. keep our Obamacare.. (watching Joy Reid and Jason Johnson was already saying who could and could not be in the Biden cabinet).. Jason.. he will use the people that he feels he can trust to get the job done that he Joe Biden ran on.
leftieNanner
(14,997 posts)And he will choose members of his cabinet who are not lightning rods for the right. He will choose competence and intelligence.
CatMor
(6,212 posts)Kamala Harris not Bernie, Warren or AOC. It is his cabinet to chose.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,059 posts)all they care about is ratings....controversy equals ratings in most cases. It's why I stopped watching years ago.
When KO left, I left.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Their job is to fill airtime between ads for drugs we never knew we needed. Anyone believing that Cable noise is actually journalism is really kidding themselves.
mdbl
(4,972 posts)I was wondering how it tasted.
OAITW r.2.0
(23,812 posts)can we have just have one night where we breathe a sigh of relief and enjoy the moment? And,"I've got 2 20 something sons that I feel have a future now (my words)." It was a good end on AM Joy.....the fun for policy folks start in January.....
Peacetrain
(22,836 posts)it helped,,, and I am glad he said that
JoeOtterbein
(7,697 posts)It's time to get to work! The republicks will not give us any quarter. Get your progressive talking points ready. We will need them!
OAITW r.2.0
(23,812 posts)I will show up eventually.
JoeOtterbein
(7,697 posts)We got this!
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lunatica
(53,410 posts)Its as mainstream as it gets now. Biden has already pledged to tie the economy, job creation and a higher minimum wage and climate change mitigation together as his policy.
Hes already talked about doing something about racial disparities, police reformation and free education. Those arent just progressive issues anymore. Theyre mainstream human issues hes addressing right away.
He may not call himself a Progressive, but he is a man responding to the dire needs we have now.
iluvtennis
(19,756 posts)radius777
(3,624 posts)to re-emerge, and going back to 'business as usual' won't cut it, especially if it includes the likes of Rahm Emmanuel.
We can all be happy to have professionals back in these jobs while calling for a better direction, one that will smash Trumpism and the RW at the same time.
Cha
(295,899 posts)don't know what Beschloss said but sounds like I would like it.
efhmc
(14,709 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)They need to stay where they are.
mzmolly
(50,957 posts)spicysista
(1,663 posts)Commentators are going to comment. It's their job to present different perspectives. 2 people on the panel shared your view and 2 were raising alarm at some of the names being floated for the Biden/Harris administration. No one was asking for Joe to be anyone else. They didn't even have anything bad to say about the people he has actually chosen. Joy described Biden's picks as a return to normalcy.
Looking to 2022 and 2024, the last thing we need to do is get comfortable. It was discomfort that raised black folks all over Georgia, native and latino communities all over the southwest, and progressives everywhere. As long as the electoral college remains a thing, we will continue to need them in these record breaking numbers.
Taking a breather is what happened to many after Obama was elected. The other side never stopped. Some on our side got real comfortable, under estimating the pure determination and focus of our opposition. It cost us very dearly. We can not afford to let that happen again.
The entire segment for anyone who'd like to see it.
Peacetrain
(22,836 posts)I suggest you try re-reading my post..
spicysista
(1,663 posts)I've read and reread your post. Your anger seems misplaced to me. Because we are on the same side, I thought I'd converse with you about it. That's alright, though. Have a good evening.
bullwinkle428
(20,626 posts)think that an attitude of, "Chill the fuck out, everyone, 'cause Joe's got this!" is going to cut it in this era, when the MAGA army is hell bent on the destruction of democracy itself. We literally need 24/7 vigilance, just to maintain all of the things that have sustained a civil society for as long as we can all remember.
spicysista
(1,663 posts)You're absolutely right. We must remain focused on our goals. There is no rest for the weary in the fight for progress!
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,538 posts)The thing is, even if Trump had be reelected and Republicans installed in all positions, they would not be satisfied -- ever. I heard this from an anti-abortion woman. Once Roe v. Wade is overturned, she said, they were going after birth control.
Rice4VP
(1,235 posts)Can you feel a brand new day from The Wiz in one of my WhatsApp chats. Thats what Joy was singing at the end. GMTA
radius777
(3,624 posts)but someone who supported (iirc) Warren in the primaries and then was fully behind Biden once it was down to Bernie vs Biden.
The concerns Jason voices are spot on - listening to various voices means also listening to the voices of the Dem base.
spicysista
(1,663 posts)Exactly, radius777. We are all on the same team, here. Unlike "The Borg" like members of the opposition, we are a big tent of very diverse individuals. There has to be room for these types of discussions.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)JGladstone
(42 posts)For years I labored with the idea of reforming the existing institutions of society, a little change here, a little change there. Now I feel quite differently. I think youve got to have a radical reconstruction of the entire society and a revolution of values.
--MLK
spicysista
(1,663 posts)JGladstone
(42 posts)JoeOtterbein
(7,697 posts)Thanks for the truth!
JGladstone
(42 posts)I do understand the sentiment to breathe and rejoice. Trump and his clan of barbarian enablers represented the most reactionary faction of private capital. But...Trump and his regime were a symptom and the result of a much larger and deeper problem. If that deeper problem is not addressed... the result will be more reactionary barbarians like Trump and worse.
mvd
(65,148 posts)I am happy to have grown ups back in charge. I almost forgot what it looked like. I also do not expect Biden to be Bernie Sanders. But I dont think criticisms are out of bounds. I feel Bidens cabinet is shaping up to be better than Obamas first one was, so thats a positive. Yellen for instance should be a solid pick, theres good diversity, and Blinken said today we cant expect to intervene everywhere there is a problem.
Skittles
(152,964 posts)ya know? But they did.
JGladstone
(42 posts)80 million people eligible to vote didn't vote. The majority of that non-voting bloc are poor and struggling working-class people tired of business as usual and the political opportunism of campaign slogans that melt into thin air.
McKim
(2,412 posts)Thank you for mentioning that we have about 40% of poor people. They need to be front and center to our discussions. I have heard plenty about "democracy". and "security because we have enemies and adversaries". I want to hear about the reality that poor people face. Another rocket went to space last week that I am forced to pay for while people are lined up for miles for free food. What's wrong with this picture?
JGladstone
(42 posts)The history of mankind shows that from the beginning of the world, the rich of all countries have been in a permanent state of conspiracy to keep down the poor of all countries, and for this plain reason because the poverty of the poor man is essential to the riches of the rich man. No matter by what means they may disguise their operations, the rich are everlastingly plundering, debasing, and brutalising the poor. The desire of one man to live on the fruits of anothers labour is the original sin of the world. It is the parent injustice from which all injustice springs.
--James Bronterre OBrien (leader in the Irish Chartist movement)
Skittles
(152,964 posts)there is no excuse for them not voting - NONE
JGladstone
(42 posts)Non-voting has a rich and storied history as a form of protest against the status quo and political representation that does not measure up to its promises of change. Emma Goldman's rallying cry... "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal" resonates with millions of those struggling and left behind. The illusion of "prosperity for all" and "the American Dream" was a sales pitch and a scam from its inception.
Skittles
(152,964 posts)if the threat of FASCISM doesn't get people to the voting booth, I doubt poverty will either.
DONE HERE.
JI7
(89,172 posts)JGladstone
(42 posts)It's a bipartisan affair. How fucked up is that?
This country is a nation of thieves. It stole everything it has, beginning with black people. The U.S. cannot justify its existence as the policeman of the world any longer. I do not want to be a part of the American pie. The American pie means raping South Africa, beating Vietnam, beating South America, raping the Philippines, raping every country youve been in. I dont want any of your blood money. I dont want to be part of that system. We must question whether or not we want this country to continue being the wealthiest country in the world at the price of raping everybody else.
--Stokely Carmichael
JI7
(89,172 posts)Why are you making excuses for ignoring shitty treatment of brown people TODAY because shitty things happened before also ?
You remind me of Right Wingers who bring up shitty treatment of Gays in Muslim countries as an excuse to treat Muslims in the US like shit.
JGladstone
(42 posts)I ignored nothing nor made any excuses for Trump's sadistic immigration "policies." I simply made a case why many people are so disgusted with the political system they do not vote. You are creating caricatures that only exist in your mind. You've also drifted in an entirely different direction as to the commentary in the OP. Would you like to discuss open borders? Private capital knows no borders or boundries. Why should people?
JI7
(89,172 posts)people's fucked up shitty ass behavior today .
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JI7
(89,172 posts)will be called out for it . They aren't going to be seen as some great Revolutionary .
Why ignore the real issue of immigration and racism in favor of Slogans concerning Capitalism and the non existant class struggle ?
Why avoid the real issue ?
Trump supporters rich and poor unite in their white supremacy .
That's where the division is.
R B Garr
(16,919 posts)in this post. Exploitation and oppression. Welcome to DU.
Actually, Biden has received more votes than any other candidate in history, yet you insist thats not a majority.
JGladstone
(42 posts)I'm certainly not disputing the election results. lol I'm saying non-voters still outnumber the vote totals of both parties. So actually, non-voters are the slim majority of people eligible to vote. I'm also saying the Democratic Party would never lose another election if they could reach those non-voters in which the majority are struggling workers and the poor who the Democratic Party claims they represent. That non-voting bloc leans left by wide margins yet the Democratic Party can't attract the non-voters. That says something about playing it safe and in the middle.
R B Garr
(16,919 posts)Its a success. The rest of what you wrote is idealistic and involves more than reaching out see Stacey Abrams.
JGladstone
(42 posts)I'm just saying there's a lot more to it for leftists than organizing around get out the vote and elections.
Hekate
(90,189 posts)Enjoy your stay.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Hekate
(90,189 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I told you.
treestar
(82,383 posts)That person can just stay out. How did the US "rape South Africa?" The US protested the apartheid!
And find a better country. Any dominant country has invaded other countries in the past.
And there are brown people who have done terrible things too.
Cha
(295,899 posts)else Fight Fascism.. while they sit home and pout.
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Cha
(295,899 posts)light 4 years & if trump had gotten another 4 years it would have gone FuLL BLOWN.
Joe Biden BEAT BACK the FASCISTS WITH his Broad Coalition of 80 Million VOTERS... & We, the Democratic Party, were a Big Part of that.. Because WE VOTED.
JGladstone
(42 posts)On a personal level, he has wreaked havoc and despair on many in my immediate circle. I also understand the problem goes much deeper than Trump and the last four years. Those that don't want to admit that are blind to the realities of the systematic problems we face. I'm a leftist. I'm also not stupid. More of Trump would do nothing but weaken an already fractured and weak working class in the fightback against private capital. Any reforms that strengthen and unite the working class in that fightback are called for at this point in time.
JI7
(89,172 posts)in favor of slogans about capitalism .
JGladstone
(42 posts)That you fail to make the connection between immigration and capitalism is pretty telling also. Do you also separate racism from capitalism?
JI7
(89,172 posts)but you want to ignore it in favor of slogans .
JGladstone
(42 posts)maybe pick it up at another time if you're interested in a discussion on it. I need to sleep. Interesting back and forth. Cheers
JI7
(89,172 posts)itself. It's not because racists are victims.
lapucelle
(18,037 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)And total cynicism that there never can be a government of the people. Misanthropy, really.
George II
(67,782 posts)...weren't "tired of business as usual and political opportunism".
Americans just don't vote like those in other countries. It can't be attributed solely to the reasons you give.
George II
(67,782 posts)BainsBane
(53,001 posts)for your claims about what working class non-voters want. You have none. You have your assumptions. And people who don't vote have fuck all to say about the government because they chose to forsake their right to vote.
To pretend they want a "progressive" cabinet is even more ridiculous. They don't care who president is, they sure as hell don't care who is in the government. What characterizes them is apathy.
BTW, you seem to have missed the TOS for this site. It's for DEMOCRATS, not Trumpsters, third party trash, or protest non-voters.
BainsBane
(53,001 posts)for guess who?
ecstatic
(32,566 posts)But we can't do shit without winning the senate first. One thing at a time.
JGladstone
(42 posts)Regardless of the makeup of the political state, the struggle for social and economic justice doesn't end or lie dormant with proclamations of "what can you do that's all we have to work with." Acceptance is defeat. "We" are not all in this together. The ruling class and the working class have an entirely different set of priorities that are not conducive to "we are all in this together." Politics is about power and resources and who is in control. Political democracy without economic democracy is a sham and a fraud. A mere illusion of representation for the working class. Private capital and the owners have the power and are in control. That must change if the calls for equality and justice are to be more than just slogans.
"It seems the most logical thing in the world to believe that the natural resources of the Earth, upon which the race depends for food, clothing and shelter, should be owned collectively by the race instead of being the private property of a few social parasites."
--Ralph Chaplin
JI7
(89,172 posts)Capitalism is the end of history and the class struggle is over then?
JI7
(89,172 posts)HAHAHAHHAHA
BainsBane
(53,001 posts)with not appointing Sanders, Warren, or AOC to the cabinet?
JoeOtterbein
(7,697 posts)It's called democracy. And we Democrats are the ultimate pros at it!
TrollBuster9090
(5,953 posts)...because of two things:
1. Because we (to quote our hero) "let the perfect be the enemy of the good," and
2. We haven't yet mastered the fine art of sneaking many of our agenda items in, underneath the TV Yakker's radar, with low profile appointments, and low profile changes to regulations. That's something we could learn from Republicans.
I'm what most would classify as a far-left progressive. But I'm SICK of Republicans constantly winning elections because far-left progressives think the national (rather than local) candidate is 'too establishment,' and either end up staying home on Election Day, or voting third party.
The first year of the Obama Administration was a HIDEOUS, PAINFUL sight to behold, with hardly any Democrats supporting Obama's agenda. Where two thirds of the Democratic caucus thought Obama was too centrist, and one third thought he was too far left, and whined about losing their precious Senate seats in purple states. As a result of that, they wasted a golden opportunity to get a lot of things done.
At this point, the important thing is to get some points on the board. If the FIRST IMPRESSION of Biden is that he's a centrist, moderate...GOOD! Then MORE purple states will elect Democratic Senators in 2022. If the FIRST IMPRESSION of Biden is that he's "going to cave to the left's every whim" then the opposite will happen; and by 2023 he'll be boxed in by a Republican Senate AND a Republican House. And in that position, he won't be able to implement ANY progressive policies.
crimycarny
(1,351 posts)Perfectly stated. Didnt we learn from our purity pout in 2016?
Polybius
(15,235 posts)3. We support changing too many things that less than 1% of the population was offended with, such as removing the Land Of Lakes Lady, changing the name of Eskimo Pies, and stopping Nike from issuing a Betsy Ross sneaker. We need to stop worrying about minor offenses.
Keep the big picture in mind and don't loose the forest by looking at the trees.
Dem2
(8,166 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,535 posts)"This is not what we'd expect from an extreme progressivestuck in the 50's
conservative..."
Etc. No shit.
Hekate
(90,189 posts)Youll never guess which discussion board I was on at the time (Id give you 3 guesses, but Im only on one and everybody knows it). I had to turn it off and go away.
What the ever-loving obscenity is wrong with our side?
Peacetrain
(22,836 posts)I am not going to do this again...people tried to kneecap President Obama before he even took his oath, because he was picking the wrong people to speak at his inauguration.. and it just went downhill from there... I am not up to trying to cajole anyone anymore... hold their hand, and tell them I understand.. I do NOT understand this tactic. ..there is so much to be done on the international stage..
I thought there were be joy above joy with Kerry being elevated to a cabinet post for environmental issues.. just as an example.. I never ever want to hear.. "holding his feet to the fire" again.. if Biden screws up,okay then talk to me ..but this nit picking as he tries to set up his cabinet.. been down this road before
Doremus
(7,261 posts)"...because he was picking the wrong people to speak at his inauguration.. and it just went downhill from there..."
Ever wonder what might have resulted if he chose speakers/officiants who appealed to more of his base? Oh, (sorry, 2 questions) and what benefit did he and/or the party directly receive by making selections that much of his base found repugnant?
If you have any thoughts I'd appreciate hearing them bc this is something I've often wondered about.
betsuni
(25,122 posts)IsItJustMe
(7,012 posts)This is not the Republican party my friend with that totalitarian streak running through it. Getting Democrats to line up is like trying to herd cats. Not gonna happen. A big tent with lots of opinions.
Hekate
(90,189 posts)I love it that the Democratic Party is a big tent, but our chronic inability to pull together and play the long game is a big component in our chronic losing.
Cha
(295,899 posts)that BEAT THE FASCISTS BACK.
He's Earned his right to Choose who HE Wants in his Cabinet!
Peacetrain
(22,836 posts)People on this site no less.. wanted to impeach, yes impeach Barack Obama before he had even taken the oath.. sigh.. I am hoping for better angels this time.
Cha
(295,899 posts)for 2 years because of it.
I know it's going to be a little better than that.
Hekate
(90,189 posts)I feel like I hung out in the BOG for 8 years. Anyhow, I think a number of the worst offenders may be gone, one way or another ( Hes caving again! Throwing gays under the bus again! Hes spelunking again! ) but some are still here, some are returnees/ socks, and I know their catch-phrases and excuses all too well. What I hope is that DU as a community has learned from this.
Cha
(295,899 posts)bc we did have the BOG.. a private forum for PBO supporters ONLY.
I was a mod.. lol! I loved that BOG sanctuary from whatever. Mahalo to all our wonderful BOG MODS!
I remember Skinner commenting that he was sorry that all went down that way.. paraphrasing.
It is going to be better now.. we don't have to be sequestered in a JRBG!
TristanIsolde
(272 posts)Is that too much to ask ? I am not following much yet since I was hung up on all the certification shenanigans, but I hope the direction is to make everyone happy.
Hekate
(90,189 posts)....in order to defeat Trump, who is a very dangerous man indeed. Joe Biden not only won the nomination, he won the presidency by historic margins.
Joe Biden has already put John Kerry in his cabinet as Climate Czar. Biden is elevating the position not only to Cabinet level, but to sit at the National Security level. Kerry has a very long record in this regard. He was endorsed by no less than Al Gore.
Does this make you happy? It makes me happy. Or is it just throwing the Bernie/AOC supporters a bone and will they proceed to depart the Party in high dudgeon and, I dont know, start a 3rd party?
Or is it not even a bone?
Rice4VP
(1,235 posts)watch reality TV instead. One of the new congressman from NY (just elected) was talking about how Biden shouldnt hire Rahm Emanuel because he covered up a murder. So sick of these newbies
R B Garr
(16,919 posts)Joe Biden won. He won by separating himself from all the others and voters followed him. Its just that simple. Its his cabinet and he is trusted for his experience and judgment.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)R B Garr
(16,919 posts)relevance is completely unnecessary. Elections have been conducted, and several losses later doesn't mean voters should have to deal with agendas they clearly rejected.
Great post, NJ!
Cha
(295,899 posts)R B Garr
(16,919 posts)Hope you had a great Thanksgiving! Nice to see you.
Cha
(295,899 posts)Always good to see you!
Baitball Blogger
(46,572 posts)The more they pound Joe for being an alleged progressive, the more Joe will go right to prove them wrong. Its how Republicans and conservative control the situation. You have the right to be angry, The only thing different this time is Kamala Harris there to remind Joe who voted for him.
Baitball Blogger
(46,572 posts)The more they pound Joe for being an alleged progressive, the more Joe will go Right to prove them wrong. Its how Republicans and conservatives control the situation. You have the right to be angry, The only thing different this time is Kamala Harris there to remind Joe who voted for him.
Joinfortmill
(14,233 posts)ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)warmfeet
(3,321 posts)The people have spoken. Joseph R. Biden will be our president come January 20th.
marieo1
(1,402 posts)Oh, I agree wholeheartedly...........as if we haven't been through enough, now they are complaining about President Joe Biden's picks. President Biden know who he can and won't work with - keep your noses out of HIS business............thank you!!
miffelplix
(53 posts)To accomplish that, I would assume he would need to appoint some progressives.
TheFarseer
(9,308 posts)He is going to put zombie Joseph Stalin and Pol Pot in his cabinet and every one who is not gay or an illegal immigrant is going to be put in a death camp.