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kentuck

(111,069 posts)
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:12 AM Nov 2020

After Trump, there are so many reforms that are needed.

For example, he had more "acting" Secretaries and heads of Departments than anyone in history. They needed no Senate approval or anything, except total obeisance to Donald J Trump. That should never have happened. (Like the Postmaster General, for example)

Also, someone like Trump should not be making deals with dictators without the consent of the Senate. Making unilateral deals with a tyrant like Kim Jong Un cannot be accepted. Dropping out of long-standing treaties with allies should not be permitted without Congressional approval.

No president should be permitted to plant his "people" inside the Pentagon or anywhere else in government simply to report back to him after he has departed the White House. (General Flynn had brought in a couple of "advisers" with him at National Security and when he was forced to resign, they moved over to the White House Counsel's office, where they worked hand-in-hand with Devin Nunes on the House Intelligence Committee. Then they moved into the National Security team at the White House, monitoring calls, such as those with the Ukrainian leader, which led to Trump's impeachment. Now it is reported that they have been moved deep into the Pentagon? That needs to be resolved.)

There are many reforms that need to be done immediately. The President is not a King and should not be treated as one.

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After Trump, there are so many reforms that are needed. (Original Post) kentuck Nov 2020 OP
Sorry. If McTurtle is still Majority Leader, I hope Biden does the same judesedit Nov 2020 #1
One of those funny things - MyOwnPeace Nov 2020 #3
an aggressive democratic House could have had some impact BUT reality is, the president has lots of beachbumbob Nov 2020 #2
most of it given to presidents by congress who needs to take that power back. For instance tarrifs uponit7771 Nov 2020 #6
The House has little to no say in people the President appoints . It's the Senate that votes on JI7 Nov 2020 #8
that part sure, but after people took positions, that when tough House can make their lives beachbumbob Nov 2020 #12
Democrats only control the House . Again, the problem is Republicans protecting Trump JI7 Nov 2020 #15
K&R, Presidents shouldn't be able to fire IGs that are investigating his cabinet members uponit7771 Nov 2020 #4
The system is definitely in need of repair. kentuck Nov 2020 #7
People did do something . They voted for people like McConnell who protected Trump JI7 Nov 2020 #9
There could have been laws in place, even with McConnell in his position. kentuck Nov 2020 #11
What laws would have stopped anything he did ? McConnell would have continued to protect him JI7 Nov 2020 #13
There could have been rules in place to prohibit "acting" Secretaries from rotating like a wheel... kentuck Nov 2020 #17
What rules and how would that work if they violate it ? JI7 Nov 2020 #18
You can censure another member if you are in the majority. kentuck Nov 2020 #20
Yeah, so we go back to McConnell which I have said is the problem along with the people voting for JI7 Nov 2020 #21
The people voting for him in Kentucky are a smaller percentage than those voting for him.... kentuck Nov 2020 #22
None of this makes any sense and he certainly did win his race fair and square JI7 Nov 2020 #23
There were reported discrepancies. kentuck Nov 2020 #24
Even so , i'm sure he won by double digits at least . JI7 Nov 2020 #25
It happened because of McConnell and the People that voted for him along with other Republicans JI7 Nov 2020 #5
Biden will need a large working group to sort procon Nov 2020 #10
subpoenas were ignored because they were not enforced from the beginning beachbumbob Nov 2020 #14
You need the Senate to help enforce them JI7 Nov 2020 #16
Yes, they should have a couple of US Marshalls on hand for those that refuse subpoenas. kentuck Nov 2020 #19

MyOwnPeace

(16,923 posts)
3. One of those funny things -
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:33 AM
Nov 2020

I agree with both the OP and jude! We know the "acting" title was given to avoid having the people go through the approval system as required by law. I can see the occasional immediate need for a director/head of some department, but there needs to be a time limit on the "acting" title.

To me the larger issue is: How do you solve a problem like Moscow Mitch McTurtle? His ONLY mission was to block ANY bill passed by the House (look at the piles of bills piled up on his desk that have come from Nancy!) and, while he hasn't proclaimed it yet, make the new President-Elect a 1-term president, just like he vowed to do for PRESIDENT OBAMA.

How PRESIDENT OBAMA ever got ANYTHING passed is still quite an amazing study in leadership!

Joe's gonna' be one busy guy - GO JOE!!!

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
2. an aggressive democratic House could have had some impact BUT reality is, the president has lots of
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:27 AM
Nov 2020

power to do alot of things outside of Congress. The founding fathers never imagined the likes of a trump to be elected. The answer now is full scale hearings and DOJ involvement for prosecution where ever criminal actions occurred with trump, and his admin. If WE DON"T then we learned NOTHING

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
6. most of it given to presidents by congress who needs to take that power back. For instance tarrifs
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:36 AM
Nov 2020

... were set by congress until congress allowed presidents to set them for short term IINM.

JI7

(89,244 posts)
8. The House has little to no say in people the President appoints . It's the Senate that votes on
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:37 AM
Nov 2020

confirmations . But the reason for the acting dept heads was because he couldn't get support for them.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
12. that part sure, but after people took positions, that when tough House can make their lives
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:42 AM
Nov 2020

miserable. Failure to enforced subpoenas set the stage to have Pelosi/house democrats totally ignored by trump and his people. Not once have I heard any democrat talk about the sabotage of the USPS was set as a plan over a year ago as a direct election interference and people will be investigated for participation in a clear criminal enterprise

JI7

(89,244 posts)
15. Democrats only control the House . Again, the problem is Republicans protecting Trump
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:46 AM
Nov 2020

None of this happened because he alone had so much power . It happened because his party supported and protected him.

kentuck

(111,069 posts)
7. The system is definitely in need of repair.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:36 AM
Nov 2020

Just fire those responsible for your oversight and nobody does anything??

kentuck

(111,069 posts)
11. There could have been laws in place, even with McConnell in his position.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:41 AM
Nov 2020

They were not there. Of course, he made no effort to fix anything.

JI7

(89,244 posts)
13. What laws would have stopped anything he did ? McConnell would have continued to protect him
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:43 AM
Nov 2020

with the support of the people voting for him and other Republicans .

kentuck

(111,069 posts)
17. There could have been rules in place to prohibit "acting" Secretaries from rotating like a wheel...
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:48 AM
Nov 2020

We should learn from this experience that we cannot depend on people to do the right thing because they have done it in the past.

kentuck

(111,069 posts)
20. You can censure another member if you are in the majority.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:55 AM
Nov 2020

You are correct that "rules" are not made for people like Trump and McConnell. But there have to be consequences when they abused.

JI7

(89,244 posts)
21. Yeah, so we go back to McConnell which I have said is the problem along with the people voting for
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:57 AM
Nov 2020

him.

kentuck

(111,069 posts)
22. The people voting for him in Kentucky are a smaller percentage than those voting for him....
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 10:06 AM
Nov 2020

...in the US Senate. And they are from all over the country. (Also, I am not so sure that Mr McConnell won his race fair and square?)

JI7

(89,244 posts)
5. It happened because of McConnell and the People that voted for him along with other Republicans
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:35 AM
Nov 2020

We can talk about reform or whatever but as long as people in certain places keep voting for people like McConnell it is difficult to change things.

Of course if people didn't vote for shit like that then we wouldn't have the problem in the first place.

procon

(15,805 posts)
10. Biden will need a large working group to sort
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:41 AM
Nov 2020

through all the norms and standards that Trump crashed through because they were customs and traditions of long standing, but never written into law.

No president should be able to interfere with the independent agencies of government.
Presidents should not be able to access taxpayers money for their pet projects; only the House can allocate funding.
Subpoenas cannot be ignored, there must be penalties for contempt of congress.
There should be a clear distinction for the costs of doing state business vs personal or campaign costs.
Everything the president done must be recorded as part of the public record and non classified sections made public.
Clearly define what is covered under the enrollments clause, and strengthen the laws around what business and investments a president must assign to an independent holding company.
Require Presidential candidates to make their tax history public.
Require a daily press conference with the press office.


Where will it end?

kentuck

(111,069 posts)
19. Yes, they should have a couple of US Marshalls on hand for those that refuse subpoenas.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:50 AM
Nov 2020

These people in Congress represent us, the People, and we cannot let them spit in our faces and ignore the laws of this country.

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