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Glenn Kirschner: It's about to rain evidence. (Original Post) highplainsdem Nov 2020 OP
I sense a lot of the evidence trail has been severely compromised. FarPoint Nov 2020 #1
Impossible to hide it all. All computers, including laptops have to be accounted for. Also phones, yellowcanine Nov 2020 #5
The Trump crime family famously uses its own stuff and bitches about Hillary's private email server. apnu Nov 2020 #27
Agree with your well thought out post and will add: SayItLoud Nov 2020 #38
Yes, prosecutors, state and Federal, will wait to see what pardons come from Trump. apnu Nov 2020 #47
the problem with pardons azureblue Nov 2020 #79
We have one path before us... Raster Nov 2020 #42
+1! (nt) apnu Nov 2020 #46
If only it were up to us. "We" see the GOP for the travesty it is. Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2020 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author Raster Nov 2020 #43
I agree musclecar6 Nov 2020 #44
Biden CANNOT do anything about it DonaldsRump Nov 2020 #55
I disagree. W did plenty of mucking about with his DoJ apnu Nov 2020 #65
... Mike Niendorff Nov 2020 #80
Amen. 58Sunliner Nov 2020 #82
Ohhhh my.... FarPoint Nov 2020 #63
And, there are those who stash evidence of their non-participation in NCjack Nov 2020 #26
Someone who should know told me murielm99 Nov 2020 #32
I believe it too! FarPoint Nov 2020 #64
Another person, very openly, in a meeting, murielm99 Nov 2020 #76
media should be investigating trump coordination of limbaugh COVID denial as evidence certainot Nov 2020 #58
The Republicans used ebola as an October surprise in 2014? Please elaborate. onenote Nov 2020 #62
from a dkos diary - certainot Nov 2020 #71
Hopefully there will be a few North Shore Chicago Nov 2020 #2
That is my belief as well radical noodle Nov 2020 #21
Glenn Kirschner for AG ProudMNDemocrat Nov 2020 #3
If he's that good, he'll never pass Senate confirmation. wnylib Nov 2020 #17
Acting AG not bad either... ProudMNDemocrat Nov 2020 #25
I would absolutely LOVE that!!! BComplex Nov 2020 #37
Then appoint him Independent Prosecutor; no senate input required, as far as I know. Volaris Nov 2020 #33
That would be good too. ProudMNDemocrat Nov 2020 #39
That may well be a better place for him to be, instead of AG yellowdogintexas Nov 2020 #54
As I understand the difference, a Special Prosecutor is assigned by DOJ, and therefore Volaris Nov 2020 #56
This would be good leighbythesea2 Nov 2020 #45
It's raining evidence, hallelujah! tanyev Nov 2020 #4
Glenn is a great guy and very active on Twitter NewJeffCT Nov 2020 #6
Wow! How incredibly sweet! renate Nov 2020 #75
Or not.... Happy Hoosier Nov 2020 #7
wont help mopinko Nov 2020 #66
We can only hope his Mob didn't do a thorough bleach cleanse. Fla Dem Nov 2020 #8
That would mean an explosion of felonies. Not a good idea. n/t Eyeball_Kid Nov 2020 #10
Is it possible for Trump to issue wnylib Nov 2020 #19
Once pardoned, those people lose fifth amendment protections. tinrobot Nov 2020 #40
OK, but what good is their testimony wnylib Nov 2020 #78
There is nothing they are doing competently. Captain Zero Nov 2020 #11
I hope they do an inventory of all equipment radical noodle Nov 2020 #28
Based on the stunning incompetence flibbitygiblets Nov 2020 #12
Exactly. Ligyron Nov 2020 #69
🤞 bringthePaine Nov 2020 #9
They'll need PPE gear Larissa Nov 2020 #13
I thought Biden said he wouldn't use his DOJ to go after Trump. jalan48 Nov 2020 #14
Don't think he said that. triron Nov 2020 #16
He said it would be up to the AG Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #20
He didn't say that. Biden said that he personally wnylib Nov 2020 #22
Thanks. Hopefully it won't turn out like the non-prosecution of Bush officials for torture. jalan48 Nov 2020 #31
The DOJ is supposed to be independent radical noodle Nov 2020 #30
Yup Lucinda Nov 2020 #15
Y E S !!! liberalla Nov 2020 #18
We can hope. wnylib Nov 2020 #23
maybe T**** is a lot like Hitler and the Nazis RussBLib Nov 2020 #24
I'm hoping maybe he's like Hitler Mr.Bill Nov 2020 #74
And let's not forget the secret server. LaMouffette Nov 2020 #29
If any part of the government is competent in the least, theres a copy Volaris Nov 2020 #34
As competent as the Trump administration was, there's probably a copy of it on Ivanka's phone. LaMouffette Nov 2020 #57
Ya, that scans lol. Volaris Nov 2020 #60
This being true - and I have every confidence it is - how did they think they'd get away with it? BobTheSubgenius Nov 2020 #35
The AG in the Biden administration will be independent of President Biden - that's the way the NoMoreRepugs Nov 2020 #36
Sorry but that is naive LiberalLovinLug Nov 2020 #53
No, it's not. maxsolomon Nov 2020 #41
It needs to be exposed and heard, not buried and ignored. I do not think Trump will go to LizBeth Nov 2020 #48
Here is why Donald Trump must be investigated for crimes against the United States for the good UCmeNdc Nov 2020 #49
that would be wonderful llashram Nov 2020 #50
I hope federal employees have been keeping thumb drives of the stuff Trump lackeys are erasing now. SunSeeker Nov 2020 #52
There is more than their tweets and video evidence? Brainfodder Nov 2020 #59
It's raining evidence! Hallelujah it's raining evidence! Initech Nov 2020 #61
Rt! TY hpd & GK! Cha Nov 2020 #67
From Glen's keyboard to God's monitor! nt soldierant Nov 2020 #68
A hard rain's gonna fall Blue Owl Nov 2020 #70
I'm sure there are a lot of FBI, NSA, CIA, SS who figure they have a score to settle. lpbk2713 Nov 2020 #72
After Cheney refused the Congressional subpeona for his email in the Valerie Plame case AdamGG Nov 2020 #73
One would hope! sloopdog50 Nov 2020 #77
Life would be wonderful coolhandlulu Nov 2020 #81
It is as important that the evidence is publicly vented bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #83

FarPoint

(12,207 posts)
1. I sense a lot of the evidence trail has been severely compromised.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 10:25 AM
Nov 2020

I think, there will be, with any luck, some patriots that have quietly tucked away much of the criminal data....if we are lucky.

yellowcanine

(35,692 posts)
5. Impossible to hide it all. All computers, including laptops have to be accounted for. Also phones,
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 10:43 AM
Nov 2020

tablets, etc. Anything gets wiped and the perp is in big trouble. FBI forensics can find it all. Only thing they can hide is what is on personally owned computers and phones and even they will leave an electronic trail on the official computers and on cell phone towers, etc.

apnu

(8,722 posts)
27. The Trump crime family famously uses its own stuff and bitches about Hillary's private email server.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 12:09 PM
Nov 2020

They know what/when to keep things off gov't books/system. That data will be shredded (metaphorically, and literally). I expect Holland Tunnel sized data gaps when Biden's people take over.

Biden will do nothing about it. Calling it now. He will want to heal and fix the United States of Trump's mess. He will have no time or political capital to prosecute, or compel his staff to prosecute anyone in the Trump administration.

Biden is being cagey about that right now. I think he's signaling that prosecutors can go after Trump, but he's not going to specifically ask them to do that.

That's just who Joe Biden is. He's a 'reach across the aisle' guy. The Republican party, that remains in power after Jan. 20th 2021, will need to be worked with. Even if we flip the Senate because of the Georgia special election, we would only have a narrow majority in the Senate, and the majority in the House has shrunk.

We have to work with Republicans to get anything done, and they will freak out if Biden is investigating Trump and, by proxy, them for aiding and abetting Trump's crimes.

Essentially, Biden will make a plea deal with the GOP to get some things done. The GOP, we know, will negotiate in bad faith. This has been their tactic since the Clinton Administration 30 years ago, so this won't be new.

The only way to actually get traction in America is to destroy modern conservativism, or at least reduce it to minor regional status. That means winning local elections and staving them out.

Until then, we have to work with these hypocritical deplorables, which means they will get away with crimes they committed. This is American politics at its ugliest.

SayItLoud

(1,696 posts)
38. Agree with your well thought out post and will add:
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 12:52 PM
Nov 2020

The full scope and depth of the pardons will have to be seen before any move is made by the DOJ. The States, NY, NJ, IL, Ca, etc will also wait to see who is pardoned or given immunity. I suspect besides the obvious inner tRUMP orbit there are SEC violations, international violations and more State level crimes that have been committed. They will ensnare sitting rePUKES in Senate and House.
Biden's "leave it to the DOJ" is the proper and historical position of Presidents. Those given pardons do not have the protection of the 5th Amendment and will be important witnesses for State and Federal investigators.

apnu

(8,722 posts)
47. Yes, prosecutors, state and Federal, will wait to see what pardons come from Trump.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:56 PM
Nov 2020

There will be none from Biden.

And since Trump is such a loose canon, who knows who will get a pardon and who won't. It will all depend on whatever loyalty Trump sees. He's floating Michael Flynn for a pardon right now, but not Michael Cohen. Cohen who was far more loyal and willing to do shit work gets exactly nothing, but Flynn who never worked as hard or as long as Cohen gets love.

I imagine life is very stressful for people in Trump's orbit. Your fate hinges on the emotional status of a man with either dimentia or untreated late-stage syphilis?

azureblue

(2,129 posts)
79. the problem with pardons
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:54 PM
Nov 2020

is that it eliminated 5th amendment pleas. So Flynn can be compelled to testify and he cannot refuse. Oops!

Raster

(20,996 posts)
42. We have one path before us...
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:14 PM
Nov 2020

Vote. Every. Republican. Out. Of. Office.
None of them deserves re-election.
All of them are guilty of subverting democracy.
NOTHING will ever get better in the U.S. until the GOP* is gone!

#VoteEveryRepublicanOut #DeleteTheGOP

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
51. If only it were up to us. "We" see the GOP for the travesty it is.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 03:13 PM
Nov 2020

Unfortunately, "they" support the current craven GOP with a cultish devotion to its most cruel & corrupt member.

Response to apnu (Reply #27)

musclecar6

(1,680 posts)
44. I agree
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:22 PM
Nov 2020

With your thinking. The Republican party is loaded with hypocritical sanctimonious self-righteous deplorables and even more significant is the never ending love affair with THEIR wallets. No wonder so many of them love that worthless SOB that is getting shown on the door.

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
55. Biden CANNOT do anything about it
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 04:13 PM
Nov 2020

The US Department of Justice and the US Attorneys can. Trump was the one that destroyed that concept.

I am sure Joe's Attorney General will look into things, and won't need any prodding from Joe.

apnu

(8,722 posts)
65. I disagree. W did plenty of mucking about with his DoJ
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 05:58 PM
Nov 2020

Remember all that water boarding stuff? And the spying on Americans with all the TeleComs? And then there was Nixon... famously had to fire is AG to get one who would run amok. I notice a pattern here... I think... hold on... Oh yes! They are all Republican Presidents!

The POTUS influence the DoJ if they so choose. The AG is a political appointed position and serves at the pleasure of the POTUS.

Biden COULD do this, but in my original post, he WON'T. Because he's not that guy. Because he can stay above that particular fray and let prosecutors, as you accurately point out, do that work.

I know that, you know that, but many here and all over the world don't know that and will howl for his head.

Let's recall 2009, Obama's first 6 months... DU was losing its collective mind because Obama, nor Eric Holder, were going after W and his war-criminal cronies.

Mike Niendorff

(3,447 posts)
80. ...
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 12:35 AM
Nov 2020
Let's recall 2009, Obama's first 6 months... DU was losing its collective mind because Obama, nor Eric Holder, were going after W and his war-criminal cronies.


Yes, I do recall that.

So, how'd that work out?


MDN

FarPoint

(12,207 posts)
63. Ohhhh my....
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 05:55 PM
Nov 2020

I foresee a desired pardon in the wind....Donnie needs a pardon...How will that happen? Heck....many of them will need a pardon and or face criminal charges...

murielm99

(30,655 posts)
32. Someone who should know told me
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 12:17 PM
Nov 2020

that some evidence has been sent to sympathetic people in Canada. This is purely anecdotal. It is tinfoil, but I believe this person.

murielm99

(30,655 posts)
76. Another person, very openly, in a meeting,
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 08:36 PM
Nov 2020

spoke about all the climate change information being lost and destroyed. He is a meteorology professor at a large university. He told our meeting that much of the information was being sent to other scientists in Canada so that it would not be lost.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
58. media should be investigating trump coordination of limbaugh COVID denial as evidence
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 05:09 PM
Nov 2020

trump wanted it to get WORSE so they could use it like republicans/limbaugh used ebola as an october surprise in 2014 - to get 9 senate seats

trump's friend and ally (possibly paid employee) limbaugh would not have called it a hoax for 2 months if trump didn't want him to, while he as pres had to back off and pretend to 'act'.

trump told woodward he knew in january it was airborne and could kill a lot of people so did he tell that to limbaugh before limbaugh began to call it a hoax?

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
71. from a dkos diary -
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 07:12 PM
Nov 2020

here are some excerpts from dkos diary "RW use of ebola in 2014 to regain Senate suggests Trump COVID delay was deliberate for 2020 election"

diary suggests other evidence also including putin dupe jerome corsi involvement

Media and Democratic leaders need to follow clues going back to the ebola scare in 2014. The evidence of coordination between Limbaugh and the Trump administration is abundant and some good investigative reporting might convince a lot more Americans that Trump’s COVID delay wasn’t just incompetence and stupidity.

Ian Reifowitz posted a diary Feb 29 — Weaponizing an epidemic for political purposes is exactly what Limbaugh did to Obama​​​ (excerpts below) — detailing how Limbaugh and the Republicans used ebola to help them regain the house and senate in 2014. Democrats lost 13 House seats and nine Senate seats.

After having spent several shows in July and August 2014 using the outbreak of the Ebola virus—which, counting only documented cases, killed over 11,000 Africans and one American—as a reason to “close the border,” on Sept. 8, the host pondered whether the enterovirus D68 outbreak that ultimately infected people in all but one state, and which may have killed fourteen (they tested positive but their deaths could not be definitively linked to EV-D68) was connected to the unaccompanied minors from Central America, and noted that “some people” believe it could be. Limbaugh also wondered whether the White House was covering up such a connection. Talk about weaponizing illness.


In October, the Ebola story began to dominate the media. Republicans, including Limbaugh, hyped fears about the virus and used it to depict Obama as incompetent leading up to the midterm elections. More specifically, the host linked Ebola and immigration and/or border security on nine out of his first thirteen October broadcasts, and on two other occasions later in the month. In addition, Limbaugh talked up the Ebola scare on six other occasions in October as well. On Oct. 16, Limbaugh revisited EV-D68 and the unaccompanied minors.


After Election Day, Ebola suddenly dropped off the radar screen for Limbaugh and the right in general, making clear the political nature of their previous focus on the issue. Journalist Elise Viebeck called it the “2014 October surprise.” Talking about Ebola and, in particular, connecting it to border security, had served its purpose, however, as Democrats lost 13 House seats and, more importantly, nine Senate seats—which ended their eight-year run as the majority party in that chamber. David Axelrod rightly termed what Limbaugh and Co. did “panic peddling.”




North Shore Chicago

(3,253 posts)
2. Hopefully there will be a few
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 10:30 AM
Nov 2020

true patriots inside the WH. There, in my opinion, are a few reasons for anus not to concede, and one of them was to have weeks of shredding documents after documents.

radical noodle

(7,990 posts)
21. That is my belief as well
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 12:02 PM
Nov 2020

They will have to dig deep to find some of it if they even have time to look. Things will be in such a mess that just getting things back in order will be a full-time job.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,468 posts)
3. Glenn Kirschner for AG
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 10:34 AM
Nov 2020

He would be perfect, unrelenting, discompassionate towards those who broke the law.

He is the Wyatt Earp Biden needs. "You tell all the curs the law is coming. And hell's coming with me. "

The Cowboys under Curly Bill never had a chance.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,468 posts)
25. Acting AG not bad either...
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 12:06 PM
Nov 2020

Because many in the Senate would know that Kirschner would put back the RULE of law back into the law.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,468 posts)
39. That would be good too.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 12:54 PM
Nov 2020

Those aiding and abetting Traitor Trump would not sleep well at night. Nor would subpoenas be ignored.

Rudy had best watch his steps and his back.

yellowdogintexas

(22,114 posts)
54. That may well be a better place for him to be, instead of AG
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 04:01 PM
Nov 2020

He is like a pitbull. He would turn over every stone.
I have been watching his YouTube channel lately; we need him doing something. Heck, if push came to shove, I'd put him on SCOTUS. He has been outlining every aspect of this mess.

Special prosecuter or Independent Counsel (shame on me I do not know the difference).

Volaris

(10,260 posts)
56. As I understand the difference, a Special Prosecutor is assigned by DOJ, and therefore
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 04:56 PM
Nov 2020

Is under that department's immediate jurisdiction.

And IC is assigned via different means, and is answerable only to congress? (I THINK that's correct).

An IC was assigned during Iran Contra. After that, it took an act of congress to appoint Ken Starr as IC to the Clinton Whitewater nonsense, and because there were few guardrails, he was able to follow every single breadcrumb into things NOT related to the original investigation.

Is why IC an be so very dangerous to criminals.

and please DU, if this is incorrect please feel free to chime in with the yelling lol!

leighbythesea2

(1,200 posts)
45. This would be good
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:41 PM
Nov 2020

We need someonw like him.
Also my nearly favorite line in Tombstone. "I see red i kill the man wearing it...." is first part. "You tell em I coming, and hell's comin with me".

NewJeffCT

(56,827 posts)
6. Glenn is a great guy and very active on Twitter
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 10:50 AM
Nov 2020

but, sometimes I think he's a little bit too positive in his outlook.

(PS - a friend of mine tweeted out one of those Suicide Awareness tweets and he personally reached out to this friend to make sure they were okay. This was via Direct Message, so not public on Twitter. )

mopinko

(69,803 posts)
66. wont help
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 06:09 PM
Nov 2020

electronic evidence is forever.
i dont doubt they think they can hide it all. cuz they ARE that stupid.

wnylib

(21,146 posts)
19. Is it possible for Trump to issue
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 11:58 AM
Nov 2020

blanket pardons for his entire staff and family to shield them (snd himself) from whatever evidence is discovered? If he tries to do that and the pardons are challenged in court, will SCOTUS .rule in favor of the pardons?

tinrobot

(10,848 posts)
40. Once pardoned, those people lose fifth amendment protections.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 12:54 PM
Nov 2020

They'd have to be truthful in court or risk perjury charges.

wnylib

(21,146 posts)
78. OK, but what good is their testimony
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:52 PM
Nov 2020

if everyone is pardoned? Other than making their criminal behavior public, it would not accomplish any goal of accountability for crimes committed, abd then pardoned.

Captain Zero

(6,714 posts)
11. There is nothing they are doing competently.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 11:29 AM
Nov 2020

Too tough for them to cover all their tracks.
Check DOD first they made a lot of changes there in personnel immediately following the election.
It was for a cleaning I bet. And that is where the biggest budget honey pots reside.

radical noodle

(7,990 posts)
28. I hope they do an inventory of all equipment
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 12:10 PM
Nov 2020

including those open skies planes they're supposedly dismantling because I would not be surprised if trump would try to sell stuff and somehow put money in his own pocket from the sale.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
12. Based on the stunning incompetence
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 11:30 AM
Nov 2020

we’ve seen lo these miserable four years, we’re gonna find a F””CKTON.

We’ll be unearthing crimes for decades, I’d wager.

Ligyron

(7,592 posts)
69. Exactly.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 07:02 PM
Nov 2020

Not to worry folks, there will be lots of criminal activity and evidence to uncover.

Provided it is allowed...

wnylib

(21,146 posts)
22. He didn't say that. Biden said that he personally
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 12:03 PM
Nov 2020

would not legally go after Trump and his administration, but that he would not interfere with his AG if the AG pursued investigations and charges.

jalan48

(13,797 posts)
31. Thanks. Hopefully it won't turn out like the non-prosecution of Bush officials for torture.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 12:14 PM
Nov 2020

President-elect Joe Biden has privately told advisers that he doesn't want his presidency to be consumed by investigations of his predecessor, according to five people familiar with the discussions, despite pressure from some Democrats who want inquiries into President Donald Trump, his policies and members of his administration.

Biden has raised concerns that investigations would further divide a country he is trying to unite and risk making every day of his presidency about Trump, said the sources, who spoke on background to offer details of private conversations.

The dilemma facing Biden is similar to the one Obama faced when he took office in 2009. Democrats were demanding the prosecution of Bush administration officials who were involved in policies that allowed enhanced interrogations, or torture, of terrorism suspects.

To appease those Democrats, Obama released memos about the controversial program and then publicly said he didn't support prosecuting Bush administration officials who devised or carried out the policies. He also rejected calls for a 9/11-style commission or a truth and reconciliation commission, like the one that examined apartheid in South Africa, to review the policies.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/president-elect-biden-wary-trump-100009812.html

radical noodle

(7,990 posts)
30. The DOJ is supposed to be independent
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 12:13 PM
Nov 2020

so it's up to them who they go after, not up to Biden. Joe has made that perfectly clear.

RussBLib

(8,983 posts)
24. maybe T**** is a lot like Hitler and the Nazis
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 12:04 PM
Nov 2020

...in that they kept intricate, detailed records of things and people they fucked over.

But, this is T**** we're talking about, so, nah. I think he learned from Mein Kampf and his time in the Mob to not leave a huge paper trail.

Mr.Bill

(24,103 posts)
74. I'm hoping maybe he's like Hitler
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 08:03 PM
Nov 2020

and he'll shoot himself in the head when it comes time to leave the White House.

LaMouffette

(2,009 posts)
29. And let's not forget the secret server.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 12:12 PM
Nov 2020

I wonder if they'll be able to delete whatever they placed on it before investigators have access to it.

Volaris

(10,260 posts)
34. If any part of the government is competent in the least, theres a copy
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 12:22 PM
Nov 2020

on some NSA computer that lives in a steel and concrete box under 200 feet of rocky mountain granite somewhere lol

BobTheSubgenius

(11,535 posts)
35. This being true - and I have every confidence it is - how did they think they'd get away with it?
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 12:28 PM
Nov 2020

Even if Il Douche had won, it only delays the reckoning by 4 years. It doesn't mean it's not inevitable. What was the plan?

Hope that 4 years was long enough to bury it (the evidence) deep?

They were "too big to fail," so to speak?

The Magic Pardon Machine?

That they would die first?

I hope that none of this is correct, and the new DOJ and the state of New York start adding wings onto various prisons.

NoMoreRepugs

(9,257 posts)
36. The AG in the Biden administration will be independent of President Biden - that's the way the
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 12:36 PM
Nov 2020

Democratic Presidents operate - stop with the nonsense of "Biden pursuing or Biden not pursuing" - what needs to happen to preserve the rule of law is GOING to happen IMO.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,153 posts)
53. Sorry but that is naive
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 03:55 PM
Nov 2020

No matter what Biden says for the public, there is no way an AG, whether D or R, is not steered in part by the President. Not necessarily in order to personally protect him/her from prosecution, as in Trump's case, but for other political reasons. Obama famously proclaimed he wanted the nation to "move forward, not backwards" in regards to crimes of the previous administration. No way the next day Eric Holder does the opposite and opens one up. And that was a public proclamation. I imagine there are more in private. I'm sure during the interview, vetting, process, it is made clear the direction the new President wants his AG to concentrate on. There are more than enough other cases any AG could focus on.

And it burns me because I can already read the tea leaves from Biden's initial comments, that a lot of criminals are going to get off scott free. And be emboldened to repeat and take it to even new levels of subterfuge in the future.

maxsolomon

(32,975 posts)
41. No, it's not.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 01:08 PM
Nov 2020

2 months of smashing the furniture of the Federal Gubmint is what's about to rain. Then a period where we're all numb and just want to sleep.

Then Trump's 2024 campaign starts.

LizBeth

(9,946 posts)
48. It needs to be exposed and heard, not buried and ignored. I do not think Trump will go to
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 02:11 PM
Nov 2020

prison ever, it will not happen. But it needs to be exposed whether he is prosecuted or not.

llashram

(6,265 posts)
50. that would be wonderful
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 03:01 PM
Nov 2020

to see that fool in the WH harassed and eventually his whole family shamed because of prosecution

lpbk2713

(42,696 posts)
72. I'm sure there are a lot of FBI, NSA, CIA, SS who figure they have a score to settle.
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 07:14 PM
Nov 2020


The whole Trump family will pay. All in good time.

AdamGG

(1,275 posts)
73. After Cheney refused the Congressional subpeona for his email in the Valerie Plame case
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 07:55 PM
Nov 2020

Obama took office and nothing ever came out about Cheney.

Trump is far more corrupt on a far more all encompassing scale, but I'm sure there is massive attention being paid to burning all evidence and as others said, more attention has been paid to using private computer equipment/networks to start with. They probably do have their back channel to Russia that Erik Price/Blackwater tried to set up in the Seychelles, but they probably set it up in a way that is very hard to detect.

I hope that some of the Dump team's coverup attempts are as competent as Rudy's hair coloring efforts, but there may be lots of high level stuff that slips by. That's assuming that Biden's administration is willing to prosecute (damn well hope so) rather than deciding that it would hurt his image as national healer.

It would be great to pick up the 2 Georgia Senate seats because among many other things, it would be effective to air evidence against Trump in public Senate hearings and then let Justice prosecute after it's already been made public that way.

sloopdog50

(36 posts)
77. One would hope!
Wed Nov 25, 2020, 09:39 PM
Nov 2020

Yes, there will be evidence. I hope for arrests, indictments, grand juries, trials, and sentences. I want the Justice Department to reinstate its relevance to democracy.

Yet, a real concern is the hollowed out bureaucracy within the government. Think Grover Norquivst. When the Biden teams start the transition, they may find there is nothing to transition. It's all in Mango Mussolini's head.

coolhandlulu

(148 posts)
81. Life would be wonderful
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 03:26 AM
Nov 2020

But I just don’t think so. We democrats do have one sin...not wanting to dirty our hands with degenerates and their ilk. The newly appointed people in DOJ know the definitions of honesty, integrity, duty, honor. Wasting our precious resources to indict those traitorous twits will further jeopardize our nation. I foresee them reevaluating just how the checks and balances failed us, and place laws that would protect us in the future. The only one imho that needs charges brought upon him should be McConnell. The congress can wheel and deal all day, but they should never, ever enable treasonous President.

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83. It is as important that the evidence is publicly vented
Thu Nov 26, 2020, 08:34 AM
Nov 2020

as that indictments are forthcoming. Widespread knowledge and a few key indictments, even in state courts, would alter public opinion and shrink the MAGAt cult. Americans need to return to reality.

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