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applegrove

(118,622 posts) Thu Nov 26, 2020, 12:43 AM Nov 2020

Trump Shares Tweet Urging He Pardon Himself

Trump Shares Tweet Urging He Pardon Himself

November 25, 2020 at 11:12 pm EST By Taegan Goddard 71 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2020/11/25/trump-shares-tweet-urging-he-pardon-himself/

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President Trump shared a tweet from Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) urging him to pardon himself.

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Trump Shares Tweet Urging He Pardon Himself (Original Post) applegrove Nov 2020 OP

To accept a pardon means that one acknowledges one's guilt andym Nov 2020 #1

No, it doesn't. unblock Nov 2020 #2

Burdick v United States nilram Nov 2020 #4

Dicta in a special case unblock Nov 2020 #6

Thanks for that. Has this clause in their ruling been cited by another case? nilram Nov 2020 #8

Well cited. MineralMan Nov 2020 #7

And the epitome of "GAETZ" just screams "ground swell"!1 ----------(need I say, "sarcasm"?!1) UTUSN Nov 2020 #3

Well that suggests that they both know he is guilty malaise Nov 2020 #5

Trump should be urged he fuck himself. milestogo Nov 2020 #9

andym

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1. To accept a pardon means that one acknowledges one's guilt

Reply to applegrove (Original post)

Thu Nov 26, 2020, 12:47 AM

Nov 2020

So Trump will be acknowledging his guilt twice, offering, and accepting a pardon.

unblock

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2. No, it doesn't.

Reply to andym (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 26, 2020, 01:11 AM

Nov 2020

nilram

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4. Burdick v United States

Reply to unblock (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 26, 2020, 06:10 AM

Nov 2020

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burdick_v._United_States

unblock

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6. Dicta in a special case

Reply to nilram (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 26, 2020, 11:19 AM

Nov 2020

If dna evidence proved I was wrongly convicted, then obviously accepting a pardon wouldn't be an admission of guilt.

If I was railroaded by a biased jury, prosecutor, etc., then obviously accepting a pardon wouldn't be an admission of guilt.

The burdick case involved the government trying to force a pardon on someone in order to invalidate their 5th amendment rights and thereby to compel testimony. Burdick found that the government can't do that. Unfortunately, it mentioned this notion that accepting a pardon would amount to an admission of guilt in this case, and this has been throwing people off ever since.

It wasn't a necessary part of the reasoning in burdick. Simply that the government couldn't force someone to surrender their rights was enough. Burdick was entitled to refuse the pardon and keep his 5th amendment rights.