I am not kidding...

[pbmus]

I know people think I'm kidding. I'm not. The trajectory of America is clear. We have one party divorced from reality, willing to cripple government and attack democracy, ignoring oversight laws, and a system that allows for their minority rule. No country can survive this.../1
...which means: It is time to break up America. Putin wins. East and West coasts can be one country (we are divided from Alaska by Canada, so...not unprecedented.) Let each state vote where it wants to go. One time subsidies from each country allowing residents to move once.../2
...I know people think "This is insane!" No, it's not. For much of my life, the Soviet Union was an impenetrable fortress, a monolith. Then, it fell and broke into multiple countries. The unsustainable is not sustainable. Red America hates blue America. They want to kill us..../3
...and the GOP stays silent, because its craven, anti-America leadership - like @RonJohnsonWI confessed - will allow democracy to be torn down if they get to keep their jobs. *This is unsustainable.* Let red America care for themselves. They'd be in for a shock about how much...4

money they get from blue states. Yes, living beside an impoverished, poorly educated, anti-science theocracy would be difficult, but it's what they want.

We can choose to do it. Or, as happened with Soviet Union, wait until it cant hold. But what we have is unsustainable.
end

[secondwind]

1. I cannot think of this just yet.

If I ever can. 😔

[brooklynite]

2. The question isn't whether you're kidding, it's whether you're being sensible.

When India and Pakistan were partitioned became someone thought "this" was abstractly Moslem and "that" was abstractly "hindu", millions of people on the "wrong" side of the border were killed.

[cachukis]

3. In its own way, it is happening.

[CanonRay]

4. I'm starting to believe this is the only solution.

They are delusional and violent.

[smirkymonkey]

9. I agree. I am not really seeing another workable solution.

The huge problem is that there are many Democrats in red states and whacked out cult members in blue states.

I don't really know how you can solve that problem unless there is some kind of subsidized relocation program. There are so many factors to consider.

It's just not that simple, but this situation is not tenable. I think civil war will be inevitable if we don't come up with a solution that is acceptable for a majority of people.

[brush]

14. They'll calm the fu_k down when their orange turd god is out of the WH.

He's the one who has emboldened their delusion. Without him to feed them, they'll slither miserable, meth-fed existences.

[CanonRay]

15. What makes you think he's going to quit feeding it?

He makes money off them.

[brush]

17. Legal problems, creditors after the one billion he owes, the media focusing on Biden...

and not him. He'll try but won't have the bully pulpit of the presidency anymore, and big, fat losers soon lose their appeal.

[denbot]

5. This is also treason

To many of us have fought and died to preserve this union. Stand, fight, fix.

[cachukis]

8. It will be economic, at first. The money people, after all.

States will have to choose alliance for regulation. European Union. Would you really want to tough it your own, Alaska? Idaho, I'm going to ask Virginia, what would Delaware? The Fed will survive. Exchange rates are important. Banking will be important. Defense will always be in the mix. Sadly, our connection in life is the safety of the dollar bill. But, when the divide becomes entrenched, we use sanctions. Some work for the common good. Some put the tribe first. There will be some red faces.

[Glorfindel]

6. Sadly, I think you're right. A "velvet divorce"

a la Czechoslovakia may be the best we can ever hope for. I'm old; I won't live to see it, but it's coming, and not necessarily a bad thing. All empires crumble, some in violence, some in peaceful dissolution.

[NCjack]

7. Czechoslovakia split. Seems to be working.

But, first I think that term limits on Senate and House, redistricting to get 1 person / 1 vote, and retooling the voting rights act could get a fair deal for everyone.

[jimlup]

10. The problem is deeper though ...

Take, for instance, my home state of Michigan. We have progressesives and we have racist reactionaries. Seperating the country ultimately doesn't solve the systemic problem.

[Bradshaw3]

12. Doesn't work if you think about it

Ok so Texas decides to be a red state. What happens to Austin and Houston? Or the research triangle cities of North Carolina? Or red rural areas in blue states?

To compare the U.S. to a forced together state like Czechoslovakia is false. Those regions have ethnic, cultural and religious ties that don't exist as a unifying force in American states. I know some people on the coasts think everyone in places like Alabama are religious rednecks but they are not. What about Black people in Mississippi who don't want to live in a place where whites would assuredly be making the laws? What, move away from family and jobs?

It is tempting to think we can solve this situation with a nice, clean break. Doesn't seem practical to me.

[electric_blue68]

19. I know I'd worry about liberals and African-Americans

in Red States.

I've also made my point in a different political sub form on a non-political site for months now.

[Bradshaw3]

23. You are not alone

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214689405

[electric_blue68]

24. Thanks - hadn't seen that thread yet. 👍

[Ferrets are Cool]

13. Thanks so much for caring about all the blue voters in red states

like my wife and me. DU protocol doesn't allow me to properly state how I feel about your proposal.

[electric_blue68]

20. This NYC'r has liberal friends in Red States...

so I worry about them, too. Hopefully we stay together.


I suppose there could be relocating ... but that's pretty crazy too in a way. People may not want to leave for various reasons.

[Ferrets are Cool]

21. I've been here for 64 years. Ain't no leaving now.

[electric_blue68]

22. Then keep staying safe. 👍 People have many...

reasons besides financial for not leaving where they live.

[Ferrets are Cool]

25. Thanks, you too.

[lunatica]

16. If people get all bent out of shape over wearing masks do you really think

they’ll be OK to move to another state? Most people won’t want to go anywhere. They’ll get their guns, barricade their front doors and shoot whoever enters.

[newdayneeded]

18. last posts

I know they stated they are pissed off, and that there's no way we can manage it. But I'm starting to believe this things a freight train heading our way. The other side is gone, completely lost it. Don't forget, donny has not given the command to take up guns and fight. I promise you, that statement is coming. I hate this fucker!