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Yavin4

(35,437 posts)
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:35 AM Oct 2012

Someone Please Cite a Presidential Election Where A Debate Turned The Election Completely Around?

Sure, a lot of folks here are not happy, but please point me to one presidential election where a debate completely changed the dynamics of the election. Show me one instance where a debate was a game changer.

Thank you.

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Someone Please Cite a Presidential Election Where A Debate Turned The Election Completely Around? (Original Post) Yavin4 Oct 2012 OP
Also, Moses2SandyKoufax Oct 2012 #1
And many channels not showing the debate pstokely Oct 2012 #6
You win the internet! Moses2SandyKoufax Oct 2012 #7
Most people only turn on news channels during breaking news, not for punditry pstokely Oct 2012 #8
Some pundits have claimed the 1980 election turned on the debate BainsBane Oct 2012 #2
I think the pundits are right about Reagan leftynyc Oct 2012 #17
I hope you're right BainsBane Oct 2012 #22
JFK & Nixon in 1960? DJ13 Oct 2012 #3
TV won that debate for Kennedy. Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #5
The Daley Zombies? nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #9
I know ALL about that election, and have SINCE 1960. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #10
That Debate Didn't Change The Election Dynamic Yavin4 Oct 2012 #12
That is the one I was thinking about. But a lot of that had to do with how Nixon looked. jwirr Oct 2012 #21
Reagan vs. carter Barry2012 Oct 2012 #4
Carter Was Already Trailing Reagan in the Polls Yavin4 Oct 2012 #13
Reagan's "youth and inexperience" zinger removed his age as an issue (nt) Nye Bevan Oct 2012 #11
Mondale was already losing by then. Jennicut Oct 2012 #14
Ford versus Carter grantcart Oct 2012 #15
Ford Closed A Thirty Three Point Gap If The Polling Of That Time Was To Be Believed DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #16
yes and the "Poland? comment was the center of the 30 point grantcart Oct 2012 #19
No question Missycim Oct 2012 #18
George W. Bush did horrible in 2004 debates and still re-elected JPZenger Oct 2012 #20

Moses2SandyKoufax

(1,290 posts)
1. Also,
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:43 AM
Oct 2012

there's not a great abundance of undecided voters. In order for Romney to win he has to convince a significant portion of Obama voters across a dozen different states. Moving that amount of voters is a tall order.

Moses2SandyKoufax

(1,290 posts)
7. You win the internet!
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 06:16 AM
Oct 2012

When I go through and read posts lamenting the "effect" FOX "News" has on the electorate I want to scream! The highest rated show on FNC is "The O'reilly Factor", which gets about 650,000 (or roughly the population of Milwaukee, Wisconsin) viewers a night! I remind people that if O'reilly's program, or any other 24H prime time show aired during prime time, on "FX", "Bravo", "USA", "AMC", or "Discovery" those shows wouldn't last a month.

Bottom line, barring a major national/international incident, those 24 hour cable networks have very little influence on public opinion.

AM radio is where we (we being liberals), run into problems.

pstokely

(10,525 posts)
8. Most people only turn on news channels during breaking news, not for punditry
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 06:46 AM
Oct 2012

And most nightly news channel viewers tend to be outside the 18-49 demographic.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
2. Some pundits have claimed the 1980 election turned on the debate
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:43 AM
Oct 2012

But I don't know if that is really true. Nate Silver shows the polling average in that election favoring Reagan in late Sept. I don't know when the debate that year was held.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
17. I think the pundits are right about Reagan
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:55 AM
Oct 2012

but there is a big difference. Reagan was a very likeable person (as was bush junior) - Nobody seems to like Romney and from what I saw, last night did absolutely nothing for his likeability ratings.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
5. TV won that debate for Kennedy.
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:56 AM
Oct 2012

While Nixon was sweating and had a five-o'clock shadow for all to see on the tube, those that listened on the radio thought he had won.

Acutally, the dead coming back to vote in Chicago won that election for Jack...or so I've heard.

Yavin4

(35,437 posts)
12. That Debate Didn't Change The Election Dynamic
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:38 AM
Oct 2012

It was a razor thin, close election all the way through.

 

Barry2012

(51 posts)
4. Reagan vs. carter
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:52 AM
Oct 2012

A lot of people got caught up in reagans lies, and the rest is history.bad, bad debate by the president.I bet mitt its sitting at home with a smirk on his face right now.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
14. Mondale was already losing by then.
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:41 AM
Oct 2012

I suppose it didn't help either but I don't think Mondale was going to win even if he did have a great performance.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
15. Ford versus Carter
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:47 AM
Oct 2012

Ford said that he didn't think that the people of Poland considered themselves dominated by the Soviet Union.

But it really makes your larger point because the only reason that it was so effective is that it reinforced a wider image that the public had about Ford, that he wasn't very bright.

In the end Ford almost came back and won anyway, so even with this disaster and everything else, the incumbent almost won anyway.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
16. Ford Closed A Thirty Three Point Gap If The Polling Of That Time Was To Be Believed
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 09:51 AM
Oct 2012

And would have probably won the election if it was held two weeks later given his momentum, despite a hugely embarrassing gaffe during one of the debates.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
19. yes and the "Poland? comment was the center of the 30 point
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:07 AM
Oct 2012

Drop and Ford did lose the election.

Almost certainly had he not made the comment he would have won, answering the ? In the OP.

JPZenger

(6,819 posts)
20. George W. Bush did horrible in 2004 debates and still re-elected
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:11 AM
Oct 2012

I think Romney's performance will quickly haunt him with fact-checking.

In any case, George W. in 2004 debates did absolutely horrible and still got re-elected. Remember that it was so bad that people were wondering if he was medicated with a battery-operated IV pack on his back?

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