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-19 pandemic worsens.
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At almost every step of this pandemic, we have failed magnificently as a country, the Harvard scientist said Monday. And in ways that we just really didnt need to fail.
The country, and in particular this city, are home to some of the greatest public health experts in the world, many of whom have spent their careers preparing for a crisis like the COVID-19 pandemic.
Im just astounded by the dysfunction, the willingness to just stay the course as hundreds of thousands of people die, and the unwillingness to innovate in literally any way, said Mina, an assistant professor of epidemiology at Harvards T.H. Chan School of Public Health, who has been advocating for widespread at-home rapid antigen testing since March, with little success. Ive realized that when we need to rise up as a country, we have truly no moral capacity to do it. Its just the most mind-bending, complete Twilight Zone experience that makes you ask why the hell we even bother.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)There was no chance it was going to turn out any other way.
eleny
(46,166 posts)We knew he'd f up any major emergency.
herding cats
(19,558 posts)Most of the US was still in deep denial about what it might evolve into then. Some in my non denial circle hoped he'd go the smart route and ride it to a humanitarian victory in late March back then. I was in the camp of those who never saw him doing anything other than politicizing it to our collective detriment. For a brief moment I hoped to be proven wrong, but his nature rose to the surface and here we are.
eleny
(46,166 posts)I was in the supermarket near the end of February. I wanted to get 3 bottles of hand sani and some more Lysol wipes. The hand sani shelf was virtually empty. I got the last 3 bottles of it. The wipes shelf was half empty so I got about 4 tubs of that. A week later, March 1st, we were isolating.
No trust at all in how he would handle things. DU had been discussing his ineptitude for years. Now we talk about his enjoying death. No surprise there, either.
Take care!
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)joshcryer
(62,265 posts)But everything was political with that man.
Skittles
(153,109 posts)America is broken
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)common defense structure being in place for 3 decades, or if one can defend itself earlier, less than 3 decades. I honestly cant envision the country that the 74+ million Trump voters want.
Rhiannon12866
(204,672 posts)Other countries with far fewer resources have done remarkably better. The difference is that we had no leadership.
NCjack
(10,279 posts)Rhiannon12866
(204,672 posts)Even those who are afflicted continue to deny that this pandemic is real if they believe Trump - who was briefed early on, but has spread the denial until this day.
Arne
(1,994 posts)barbtries
(28,756 posts)He's been advocating for months for a cheap, simple home test for COVID. the technology is there, the ability is there to mass produce. The FDA is the problem.
MedCram is the best channel on youtube for good information on Covid and I recommend it to everyone, even my own doctor. They also have a website where professionals can get CE credits.
peacebuzzard
(5,145 posts)brilliant and simple explanation. very grateful for the info, barbtries.
barbtries
(28,756 posts)i've been sharing these links for months now. it could have been a total game changer but sadly trump is president.
peacebuzzard
(5,145 posts)This informative link is a game changer vs. the kitchen sink approach that has become the normal. I have had 3 tests with outcomes provided weeks or days later. The graph on the link's content was a detailed picture of the covid reality. I just subscribed to Medcram.
Most physicians I consult are unaware of the details or unable to discuss and educate their patients. We are on our own.
barbtries
(28,756 posts)I found MedCram on youtube months ago. Their COVID updates are really good. I'm really glad at least one person checked it out. it's like pulling teeth trying to get the word out. I can only imagine Dr Mina's frustration.
LiberalArkie
(15,703 posts)would immediately run out and start spreading it.
peacebuzzard
(5,145 posts)known cases have been reported in flagrant abuse of quarantine orders. Yikes.
sheshe2
(83,637 posts)You have been there for us every step of the way. You rushed to help us during the marathon bombing,
You saved my nephews life with a med flight a few years earlier. He would have died if not for you.
You are doing all to save us now.
Thank you.
Ohiogal
(31,895 posts)That scientists ... SCIENTISTS .... get death threats for working hard on their research and trying to help people through this pandemic, just because they speak the opposite of the most ignorant and loathsome creature on Earth. It just boggles my mind.
samplegirl
(11,461 posts)To have anyone you care about fighting to dodge this... its complete insanity.
Blues Heron
(5,926 posts)Magats hate smart people, they'll prove it by doing the stupidest shit they can - like exposing themselves to a deadly virus
Aussie105
(5,318 posts)Failed as individuals.
Too many people ignored it all, and given the virus free breeding grounds.
Once a pandemic is out of control, like it is in many places in the US, it's up to the individual to do their best to protect themselves.
handmade34
(22,756 posts)merely the sum of all its parts... we are failing
sinkingfeeling
(51,436 posts)individualism is destroying democracy in the USA.
Aussie105
(5,318 posts)More incompetence from those who lead, those who could have done something much earlier on. All the way from the POTUS on down.
But if others won't protect you, that only leaves one person. YOU. Pathetic and scary I know, but it's come down to that.
It shouldn't be that way.
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)Volaris
(10,266 posts)Because they've proven that their voters dont have any.
Cosmocat
(14,558 posts)I take your point, but at the same time most of us have in fact taken this seriously.
Our failing on this is having indulged the republican party and "conservative movement" for many decades now.
1/3 of inject their bullshit in their veins like heroin, 1/3 of us have tried our best to fight it while 1/3 of us are in self righteous "THEY BOTH ARE THE SAME" high.
That is our country, it was LONG before Covid came to our shores. Not you and I, but "we" elected a complete sociopath president, "we" elected all these insane congressmen, senators, governors, state elected officials, "we" gave them the power to put total pychophants into positions of power overseeing our response to the pandemic, etc.
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)... states" to clusterfuck their way disparately through this
No, this the onus is not individual ... its a criminal act by Trump administration.
tclambert
(11,084 posts)Kennedy asked us to go to the Moon, and we did it, even though it was hard, even though it was expensive.
Roosevelt asked us to fight Germany and Japan. We sacrificed a lot, but won.
Lincoln asked us to fight to restore the Union and end slavery.
Ligyron
(7,615 posts)In some ways weve been lucky nothing like that incident happened on his watch.
Can you imagine him even saying, My fellow Americans? To him and his rabble the enemy is us. There is no we.
tclambert
(11,084 posts)He'd say there were good people on the Japanese (and German) side, IF he owed them money or wanted to make a business deal with them, which he probably would.
He'd probably praise Neville Chamberlain's appeasement efforts and vilify Churchill.
He would definitely complain that Russia and England weren't paying enough for the weapons we supplied them.
durablend
(7,455 posts)To stick it to teh libs.
DBoon
(22,338 posts)I would be living in a Japanese colony right now.
Could you imagine the reaction now to mandatory blackouts? rationing? military conscription? They would scream their precious liberties were being taken away and try to impeach FDR.
Yavin4
(35,420 posts)It's that simple doc.
bdamomma
(63,791 posts)He needs be ousted from Majority Leader in the Senate. Grim Reaper is quite correct.
This is it in a nutshell.
DBoon
(22,338 posts)is willing to accept human death so they can make money
Yavin4
(35,420 posts)MustLoveBeagles
(11,580 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,558 posts)The people who have taken the information to heart and are doing their best to not get sick, or spread any virus they are unlucky enough to contract.
I don't want this to sound as judgemental as it's going to, but WTF? This is no more callous or cavalier than the anti-maskers, anti-vaxxers. Save the people that deserve to be saved.
Sorry.
Arne
(1,994 posts)in the near future, this was only the beginning.
I have right now poisonous Cain toads in my back yard.
The gulf is messed up with something called Red Tide.
When are the hoards of locusts expected?
BobTheSubgenius
(11,558 posts)Funny thing - I live not exactly "on" the Pacific, but "in" it. An island at the extreme SW part of BC. We used to have red tide alerts from time to time, but I can't remember hearing of one for years and years. Maybe the gulf is getting the share that used to be ours.
No locusts, so far, and our first-borns are doing OK, too.
patphil
(6,144 posts)From a loveless leader and his loveless family, to a loveless Senate leader and his loveless minions in the Senate, to the 10's of millions of loveless, extremely selfish people across the country who weren't willing to do the work to keep their families, relatives, neighbors, friends...everyone they came into contact with safe.
They denied the pain, suffering, and death that was all around them. They echoed their leaders mantra of it all being fake; a Democrat plot to take away their freedoms.
These people are morally depraved, and spiritually bankrupt.
iluvtennis
(19,825 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,811 posts)It was a lovely bubble. On board we were reading about the growing pandemic, the small spike in deaths, especially in a nursing home near Seattle. We were very far removed. We did all of our cruise things, largely untouched by the pandemic. I'm happy we were untouched at the time.
I am beyond glad I took that cruise. For one thing it was a year and a half delayed 70th birthday present to myself. For another, it was a truly wonderful trip. San Diego to Hawaii, five days at sea. Then five days in the Hawaiian Islands. Then five days at sea back home. Among my treasured memories is the shopping director on board. His first cruise on his own, perhaps his last, given what has happened. He was finding his feet and I went with him to some of the shops in Honolulu that he'd be representing the passengers. I'm old. He was young enough to be my grandson, and clearly his mother raised him properly. When we were done with a couple of the shops, I proposed we get lunch, fully expecting to pay my own way. He generously bought me lunch, and while the dollar amount really wasn't that large, it was his respectful attention that even now holds me in awe.
The entire cruise was wonderful. As I said, I am so glad I took it. I returned to the pandemic, and my state, New Mexico, had shut down almost completely because of the pandemic.
And since then, I've been largely staying at home, more so in the past month. I don't often go out. I feel fortunate that I live alone, have no responsibilities to others, and can stay pretty much quarantined. I know it is not so easy for a lot of others.
DallasNE
(7,402 posts)While this statement is absolutely true it didn't start that way. Trump had to make Covid a partisan issue because he knew that this could go bad and hurt his reelection chances so Trump kicked that off by calling this the "China virus", which is unfortunate - and possibly false anyway. We can establish pretty convincingly that the "no moral capacity" got its start from a single source -- Donald John Trump. Yes, there is no shortage of weak people out there to carry the torch but for some reason people are not willing to place blame so Mina blames the country as a whole when it is one man.
jayschool2013
(2,311 posts)To understand the conservative mind, you have to understand this premise people choose professions because of money.
Health-care professionals? Those jobs pay well, right? (Never mind that most don't pay well.) So doctors and nurses are in it for themselves, not because of any altruism. So if conservatives become health-care professionals, they tend to embody this ethos elective plastic surgeons, doctors to the stars, etc.
Teachers? Well, we know they don't get paid well, so they do it because they're lazy and don't want to work full-time jobs. Oh, the same with academics, plus they want to brainwash our kids into being lazy government-reliant sponges like them. Thus, many conservatives in academia or teaching tend to cluster in those subject areas that prepares students to be workers.
Journalists? They're doing it for the clicks, not to seek truth and report it. Thus, conservative "journalists" tend to be partisan hacks who really are just trying to prove their biases are correct.
Scientists? They're just in it for the grant money, so they choose the most politically correct topics they can and feed off that for their entire careers. Conservatives co-opt science to fund junk research that "proves" conservative talking points.
Politicians? They do it for the power and to make money after leaving the public sector, right? People like Eric Swalwell and Adam Schiff have to be corrupt because they're politicians. Thus, more conservative politicians than progressive tend to embody the corrupt and power-hungry models they envision.
Money and power are the only organizing principles in the conservative world.
ancianita
(35,926 posts)Use billboards everywhere people commute; near hospitals and dense areas.
Show dire photos of the last nine months.
Make people literally see the message:
They've been fighting COVID for NINE MONTHS! HELP THEM SAVE LIVES! WEAR A MASK!
The photos:
Scientists dont want everybody to stay indoors at home.
Scientists do want everybody to not go indoors at a job, workplace, restaurant, bar, shop, store, or school.
Scientists don't want us to spend a prolonged time - as little as 5 minutes in close proximity - without masks breathing the air exhaled by strangers.
A total of 20 minutes spread out over an 8-hour day EVEN if only in short periods at a time has been shown to transmit the virus if the participants are not masked.
Scientists DO want us OUTDOORS, where everyone should be as much of the time as possible.
Frontline health workers and almost all scientists studying the virus have been telling you this for MANY MONTHS!
ananda
(28,831 posts)We need to recalibrate what it means to be pro life.
housecat
(3,121 posts)How about two lines to the hospital -- one for normal people who wear masks and another for insane covid deniers who don't wear masks (but are still going to the hospital). The first line gets treated, and the other one goes out the back door.