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How can the 106 Republicans be sworn in when they can't swear to defend the Constitution? (Original Post) onecaliberal Dec 2020 OP
They cannot. Serious answer. It would be a lie. bullimiami Dec 2020 #1
They lie in their sleep, this will be just one more. Ferrets are Cool Dec 2020 #2
This. Biophilic Dec 2020 #3
126 moondust Dec 2020 #4
If any hold a license to practice law Ferryboat Dec 2020 #5
Good point. Hadn't thought of that. onecaliberal Dec 2020 #7
Perjury refers to sworn testimony given in a court proceeding StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #23
Because they live by a double standard. William769 Dec 2020 #6
The 106 GOP sedition representives cannot be sworn in without committing PufPuf23 Dec 2020 #8
I agree. It cannot stand. onecaliberal Dec 2020 #9
"Perjury" StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #19
The PA AG on Chris Cuomo said they may have serious legal issues. They are suppose to uphold c-rational Dec 2020 #10
There has to be a price to pay. onecaliberal Dec 2020 #11
Totally agree. Sogo Dec 2020 #13
Because the oath is a promise of what they're going to do in the future StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #12
Republicans signed a lawsuit that sought to invalidate the votes of 4 states. They signed on. onecaliberal Dec 2020 #14
They didn't "sign a lawsuit" StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #15
They fully support the suit. They want to impose their will on America, voters be damned. onecaliberal Dec 2020 #16
Kind of like the way you want to impose YOUR will on voters who chose their Representatives StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #17
Kinda how I want THE VOTERS will imposed. You're assuming facts not in evidence. onecaliberal Dec 2020 #28
The VOTERS' will in those 126 was to have those Members represent them StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #29
The states in question were won by Biden, so no onecaliberal Dec 2020 #30
You know presidential and congressional elections are two different things, right? StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #31
85 of the members of Congress supporting Texas' lawsuit were from states won by Biden onenote Dec 2020 #33
Seems you want a lawsuit filed to overturn their election. LanternWaste Dec 2020 #18
Ain't it, though? StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #21
Disagree. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, Roisin Ni Fiachra Dec 2020 #22
You can disagree all you want. The law is the law and you're wrong StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #24
Wrong about what, exactly? Roisin Ni Fiachra Dec 2020 #25
Read my post and then read your response disagreeing with it StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #26
Meh. You are avoiding answering my question, Roisin Ni Fiachra Dec 2020 #27
"if not seating them is a possibility" onenote Dec 2020 #34
Who expects honesty or a lack of hypocrisy from Republicans, any more? Paladin Dec 2020 #20
They can hide behind legal technicality treestar Dec 2020 #32

Biophilic

(3,645 posts)
3. This.
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 09:44 PM
Dec 2020

It is a serious question and deserves a serious answer but I'm not sure from whom. Perhaps us. Perhaps their supposed peers in congress. I'm not sure, but someone needs to ask them what they thought they were doing attempting to damage the Constitution. At very least.

moondust

(19,972 posts)
4. 126
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 09:46 PM
Dec 2020

Good question. Does their Trump Confederacy have a Constitution they'd like to pledge allegiance to instead? Somewhere in Russia?

PufPuf23

(8,767 posts)
8. The 106 GOP sedition representives cannot be sworn in without committing
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 10:19 PM
Dec 2020

perjury.

If any lie, they should be prosecuted for perjury and sedition.

Pelosi should inform the States with the felon tentive reps to schedule special epections to fill the seats.

The situation puts on a platter a first and major step of reconciliation and repair of our institutions of governance.

Let our leaders be brave and firm.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
19. "Perjury"
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 01:02 PM
Dec 2020


FYI, the Speaker has no authority to 'inform" a state to conduct special elections.

And there is no such thing as a "felon tentive rep" ...

But other than that, your post makes sense.

Well, actually, it doesn't ...

c-rational

(2,590 posts)
10. The PA AG on Chris Cuomo said they may have serious legal issues. They are suppose to uphold
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 10:54 PM
Dec 2020

and defend the Constitution and they have not. Also, this AG is considering sanctions against lawyers who aided and abetted this frivolous lawsuit.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
12. Because the oath is a promise of what they're going to do in the future
Fri Dec 11, 2020, 11:49 PM
Dec 2020

We have no way of reading anyone's minds so we do not determine in advance that they're going to violate their oath of office. And we don't deny people a place in Congress because we suspect they might not uphold the Constitution in the future based on past behavior, especially when they have not been charged and convicted of any wrongdoing.

We need to be careful about the kinds of arguments being made in this thread. Not only don't they make sense, they could easily be used against any member with whom someone disagrees.

onecaliberal

(32,826 posts)
14. Republicans signed a lawsuit that sought to invalidate the votes of 4 states. They signed on.
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 12:45 PM
Dec 2020

They're actively working from the inside to destroy democracy.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
15. They didn't "sign a lawsuit"
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 12:48 PM
Dec 2020

They signed an amicus brief. That's not a crime and it's not sedition, insurrection or rebellion.

onecaliberal

(32,826 posts)
16. They fully support the suit. They want to impose their will on America, voters be damned.
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 12:52 PM
Dec 2020

On edit: This sums it up for me.


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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
17. Kind of like the way you want to impose YOUR will on voters who chose their Representatives
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 12:57 PM
Dec 2020

Not sure why you posted this completely irrelevant tweet from Professor Tribe, which in no way supports your argument. But, whatever.

Numerous lawyers have explained to you why your interpretation of the law is completely erroneous, yet you continue to insist otherwise, notwithstanding your lack of expertise in the area.

Fortunately, your comepletely erroneous view of the law doesn't hold any water with people who actually know the law and are responsible for making, interpreting and enforcing it.

But, if course, you are free to continue yelling into the wind. But I have better things to do than to argue the law with someone who doesn't understand it and is completely resistant to learning anything about it.

Have a nice day.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
29. The VOTERS' will in those 126 was to have those Members represent them
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 01:48 PM
Dec 2020

You're demanding that Members from other states and districts decide that these voters' chosen representatives should not be seated for reasons unrelated to their qualifications, which the Constitution does not allow.

onecaliberal

(32,826 posts)
30. The states in question were won by Biden, so no
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 01:57 PM
Dec 2020

Your argument doesn’t make sense. I’m not going to agree with you on this. Have a great rest of your day.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
31. You know presidential and congressional elections are two different things, right?
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 02:02 PM
Dec 2020

A majority of voters in those states voted for Biden. But a majority of voters in those Members districts voted for them.

The fact that their state went for Biden in the presidential race does not override voters' selections of Republican representativs in individual districts.

The Speaker of the House has no more power to undo the choices of the voters in those districts than the Texas Secretary of State has to undo the votes of the voters in Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia and Pennsylvania.

onenote

(42,698 posts)
33. 85 of the members of Congress supporting Texas' lawsuit were from states won by Biden
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 02:51 PM
Dec 2020

And i suspect that 100% of them represent districts whose voters supported Trump over Biden

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
21. Ain't it, though?
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 01:05 PM
Dec 2020

Not even calling for a lawsuit. Just demanding the Speaker unilaterally do it herself.

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
22. Disagree. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice,
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 01:08 PM
Dec 2020

shame on me.

What people do, what I see them do, is what I base my relationships with them on. No way am I ever going to trust anyone who I see blatantly supporting illegitimately disenfranchising 80,000,000 voters for the sole purpose of installing their beloved lunatic candidate as supreme dictator of the United States, and ending democracy in my country in the process

Far as I'm concerned, they are false, seditious, and dangerous persons who don't have a shred of democratic integrity.

What they have done is unconscionable, and because of this they have no place in democratic government. Keeping weasels in the henhouse right after they've already attempted to kill your chickens can only result in a coop full of dead chickens in the near future.

They should not be seated, if not seating them is a possibility. Shame on them.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
24. You can disagree all you want. The law is the law and you're wrong
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 01:09 PM
Dec 2020

I can "disagree" with the law of gravity to my heart's content, but that's not going to keep a rock from falling to the ground when I drop it from a balcony.

onenote

(42,698 posts)
34. "if not seating them is a possibility"
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 02:52 PM
Dec 2020

It's not a possibility under the Constitution, so folks should move on from this argument.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
32. They can hide behind legal technicality
Sat Dec 12, 2020, 02:26 PM
Dec 2020

Which they are always against in 4th Amendment cases and the like. They were only subscribing to the legal theory behind the TX lawsuit (no matter that is was a ridiculous one).

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