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Live in Florida? You might be seeing this around a lot - Stone for Senate (Original Post) octoberlib Dec 2020 OP
Thought this fascist lived in NYC. Thomas Hurt Dec 2020 #1
As of May , he still had a home in Ft. Lauderdale octoberlib Dec 2020 #5
I'm in Floridaa Arne Dec 2020 #2
Stone rso Dec 2020 #3
Ivanka and Roger Stone. Can't rule them out. NCDem47 Dec 2020 #4
Trump is diseased and brought it to Florida! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2020 #6
I thought Ivanka is going to run bronxiteforever Dec 2020 #7
Stone for Prison. dchill Dec 2020 #8
I thought in FL, felons can't vote, and thus not be able to run for office either, but I could be SWBTATTReg Dec 2020 #9
I think he was pardoned. So I guess he's free to do whatever SoonerPride Dec 2020 #13
We passed an amendment to the state constitution allowing felons to vote csziggy Dec 2020 #17
Thanks. I have heard about the mess in not knowing how much $ these people own, SWBTATTReg Dec 2020 #18
Oh, they "proved" that the fees are owed, just not in time to get them cleared up to vote csziggy Dec 2020 #19
Thanks so much, chock full of information. What a mess! It looks like they are making some inroads SWBTATTReg Dec 2020 #20
Yep, I gave a big chunk of my stiumuls check to FRRC csziggy Dec 2020 #21
I've heard of this proposal too, that if they can't come up w/ a valid and honest rendering SWBTATTReg Dec 2020 #22
From what I've read Stone will need . . . peggysue2 Dec 2020 #10
It's Florida -- Roger Stone & Ivanka Trump would be the BEST Representative Government possible. TheBlackAdder Dec 2020 #11
he'll be running against Ivanka onethatcares Dec 2020 #12
Holy shit. And you know Trumpwill campaign for Stone! SunSeeker Dec 2020 #14
OMG Deuxcents Dec 2020 #15
Yep. I know how you feel. FM123 Dec 2020 #24
The circular firing squad. muntrv Dec 2020 #16
That's all we fucking need. William769 Dec 2020 #23

NCDem47

(2,248 posts)
4. Ivanka and Roger Stone. Can't rule them out.
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 06:04 PM
Dec 2020

Good God what a political cesspool that state is turning in to.

I feel for Florida Dems. I really do..

SWBTATTReg

(22,093 posts)
9. I thought in FL, felons can't vote, and thus not be able to run for office either, but I could be
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 06:24 PM
Dec 2020

wrong in thinking this...they can't vote still, but in running for office, I'm not sure 100%

csziggy

(34,133 posts)
17. We passed an amendment to the state constitution allowing felons to vote
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 07:00 PM
Dec 2020

But the Republicans have been blocking it by suddenly caring about the debt that returning citizens had imposed on them. When funds were raised to help pay those fees, the state could not give accurate numbers very quickly. Many returning citizens who had registered to vote were blocked because of monies they had never been told were owed up to that point.

SWBTATTReg

(22,093 posts)
18. Thanks. I have heard about the mess in not knowing how much $ these people own,
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 07:02 PM
Dec 2020

etc., and then be blocked in voting. Sounds wrong to me and if they can't prove what these people owe, then blocking them from voting sounds wrong, they can't prove that they own anything (in fees, etc.)...

csziggy

(34,133 posts)
19. Oh, they "proved" that the fees are owed, just not in time to get them cleared up to vote
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 07:15 PM
Dec 2020

I don't know how many people were blocked from voting, but I bet it was enough to have turned the election.

Here is some news about the results:

Florida Leads Nation in Voter Disenfranchisement
November 9, 2020

In November of 2018, approximately 64% of Floridians voted in favor of Florida Amendment 4, a constitutional amendment meant to ensure voting rights for former felons.

After the decision, Governor Ron DeSantis, R-FL., decided that the amendment needed the Florida State Legislature to pass legislation for it to take effect.

This led to Florida Senate Bill 7066, which had the main elements of Amendment 4 but also required those convicted of a felony to complete “all terms of sentencing,” including complete payment of any fines or fees from the conviction before they earn back their right to vote.

Signed in 2019 by DeSantis, the requirement in the bill left up to 900,000 former felons unable to vote in the 2020 presidential election.

More, including details about the requirements to pay fees: http://www.floridapoliticalreview.com/florida-leads-nation-in-voter-disenfranchisement/


Despite Confusion, Thousands of Former Florida Felons Voted Successfully
By Trimmel Gomes On Nov 25, 2020
TALLAHASSEE, FL – Voting-rights advocates say they’re working to keep the momentum going, registering Floridians with felony convictions so they can vote in future elections. Conflicting court rulings and confusing records were just a few hurdles they faced on Election Day, as Republican lawmakers sought to restrict the return of 1.4 million former felons by requiring they pay all fines and fees before they could vote.

Some local elections officials, including in Broward County, said they had to rely on an “honor system” that anyone restored to vote was eligible. Despite the confusion, Neil Volz – deputy director of the Florida Rights Restoration Coalition – said his group is proud of the outcome.
“We think returning citizens were an undeniable winner in this year’s election,” said Volz, “as over 50,000 people who were unable to vote because of a past felony conviction just two years ago were able to experience democracy in this year’s election.”/blockquote]

Volz said the State of Florida is simply unprepared to carry out its own restrictions. He added that the requirement to pay fines and fees doesn’t apply to all returning citizens, because some could’ve received a sentence modification by a judge, or might have been granted voting rights through the Clemency Process, which doesn’t require they be paid in full.

More: https://www.publishedreporter.com/2020/11/25/despite-confusion-thousands-of-former-florida-felons-voted-successfully/


The Florida Rights Restoration Coalition has worked hard and will continue to work to help returning citizens be able to exercise their right to vote: https://floridarrc.com/

SWBTATTReg

(22,093 posts)
20. Thanks so much, chock full of information. What a mess! It looks like they are making some inroads
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 07:19 PM
Dec 2020

here, but still...the floridarrc org sounds like a winner, I'll make my FL friends aware of this org. (like so many of us in the rest of the US, we all have friends and family all throughout the state of FL, and I'm still amazed at this treatment of felons and their voting rights/fees. It just seems ... un-American...

csziggy

(34,133 posts)
21. Yep, I gave a big chunk of my stiumuls check to FRRC
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 07:38 PM
Dec 2020

They will continue their work so more people are able to vote in the future.

I asked my Florida Senator to introduce a bill requiring that upon release every felon should get a statement from the system on exactly how much they owe. The Department of Corrections should be able to do that just like when you check out of a hotel, they give you an invoice.

I think if a person who had been incarcerated does not receive a statement within a certain period after their release, they should not be responsible for any charges. The state should bear responsibility for making the debts known so they can be cleared in a reasonable amount of time or the state gives up all claim to it and it is expunged from the released person's records.

SWBTATTReg

(22,093 posts)
22. I've heard of this proposal too, that if they can't come up w/ a valid and honest rendering
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 07:47 PM
Dec 2020

of what they owe, then they should be free and clear of all obligations. This is a good start, and I hope that they do this. They say that once a person has served their time, then they should be free and clear of their debt to society, and with this issue hanging over their heads, it does seem unfair. I hope that they don't come up w/ totally unreasonable fees/costs either, e.g., hundreds of thousands of dollars, these people will never see the light of day literally. Take care and thanks for the very informative posts.

peggysue2

(10,826 posts)
10. From what I've read Stone will need . . .
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 06:25 PM
Dec 2020

to beat back Ivanka for the seat. Because the girl wants to be the country's first woman president, doncha know?

What a choice: slime ball Roger Stone or the hollow, robotic Ivanka?

Stay strong Florida!

PS: I do appreciate Stone's knock against Rick Scott. The GOP's eating its own in action. Does my heart good.

Deuxcents

(16,154 posts)
15. OMG
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 06:50 PM
Dec 2020

Where can I go? I’m born here as my son and grandkids, sisters and all.. our governor and both senators are a disaster and now these deplorables wanting to get elected. My mom and her family came here over 110years ago.. these two know nothing about Florida..our environmental issues, our history.. just their tax breaks.

FM123

(10,053 posts)
24. Yep. I know how you feel.
Sun Dec 13, 2020, 08:40 PM
Dec 2020

Sending you hugs from Broward, it's very blue down here - but you never know for how much longer.....

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