We spent four years ignoring the fact that Melania Trump posed nude --

[kpete]

[duforsure]

1. They also lied about her education

And likely receiving citizenship she lied.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

16. Yes. Remember looking her up, long ago before I knew

He was such a monster. She had her own website. When I saw that she had a degree in architecture I remember thinking, that made sense since he was a builder.

If she really spoke five languages you KNOW he'd be showing that off!

[Bluepinky]

92. She "earned" her architectural degree from Trump University.

[Old Crow]

40. 100%. Yes...

As I remember, the White House website stated that Melania had a degree in architecture... until the claim was questioned and that part of her CV mysteriously disappeared, bullshit that it was. Another misrepresentation: She claimed to be fluent in Italian, French, and German... yet when she was visiting French-speaking schoolchildren, the most she could manage was "Je m’appelle Melania" before lapsing into English for the rest of the visit. Similarly, no one has seen any evidence of her Italian or German.

[TuxedoKat]

46. I noticed the same thing

when she was in France. Didn't hear her speaking it either.

[kskiska]

62. The Pope spoke to her in Italian, believing she spoke the language,

but she required translation.

[Archetypist]

63. Funny

Because she is from Slovenia so one might imagine Italian is an important language people learn there, due to Italy being their biggest neighbor.

[wnylib]

80. Unlike Jackie, who spoke French

in France and Spanish in Mexico.

[dugog55]

87. The best way to learn a language is through "immersion". Living where the language is spoken and

being exposed to it daily. Melania has been in the country for FIFTEEN years and would still not be considered "fluent" by European standards. There is no way in hell that she is fluent in four other languages.

[HughBeaumont]

104. I think it was here where I read this . . .

. . . a post from a linguist said they found it odd that, for living with a native speaker for 20 years, Melania is still hunting and pecking English words when she speaks. Makes you wonder what kind of relationship these two have.

[OMGWTF]

78. Mel said she got here on an Einstein Visa??? LOL! More like an Epstein Visa.

[amywalk]

88. I've always thought Trump must have met her

On the Lolita Express. I know Epstein introduced them to one another. How else would a lowly, unsuccessful model meet Trump? Everything on her bio is manufactured bs. Hopefully, she will write a tell-all book after their divorce.

[GETPLANING]

95. I am totally stealing that

[wnylib]

79. Revoke her citizenship.

[Rorey]

2. Yeah, I'm done with anyone who thinks education is a bad thing

Or that being intelligent or having experience is a bad thing.

[groundloop]

22. I blame some of this on 'reality' TV shows (not even gonna' say their name here)...

But I'm sure everyone knows who I'm talking about. Supposedly hot looking sisters where the camera follows them around, giving young people the impression that it's cool to be stupid.

[FarPoint]

3. I say...

Go after her, Melania with photos of her, " modeling" every time they go after Dr Biden...

Use the double standard comparison...like since you mentioned a concern for the current First Lady, let's examine Melania...

[BillyBobBrilliant]

60. Dr. Jill went to school to be a Doctor (of education) and earn her status

Melania just 'played doctor.' for her status.

[nebby70]

4. stink eye all you want ....

.... Jill Biden is an awesome woman ...
.... I'm impressed with what she's done and how she's handled her life ...
.... I'm also pleased that I haven't seen her lady parts in any magazine or blog ...
.... what a relief to have a bunch of grown ups in the WH again ...

[samnsara]

6. so happy we have a flotus who wears a bra under sheer clothing...

[bdamomma]

52. Welcome to DU!

Thank goodness for grown ups again, and not imbeciles and liars.

[samnsara]

5. i never ignored it..hell we have all those photos of her to weaponize..

..if we need to.

[live love laugh]

71. 💯

[NEOBuckeye]

7. Barefoot and pregnant

That's the only way Republicans think women can be on this planet.

[Ziggysmom]

8. Nice to see an intelligent, natural woman, not a plastic surgery fake Barbie

Ho!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

17. What did they do make her eyes squinty?

[Aussie105]

21. A facelift.

Cheek skin is pulled up so that the outer edges of the eyes are lifted. Scars hidden under the hairline.
Can take years off a saggy face, but if overdone, gives the person a slanty eyed look. The squint is meant to look sexy. (Fails badly)

A lot of money spent there. Improvement = zero.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

23. She looked beautiful before. Wonder; f that was before he met her.

I just started "melania and me". Trump had Vogue work hard to clean her up for high society.

[xxqqqzme]

81. Plus she has had cheek implants

which further restrict her vision.

[ShazzieB]

96. Yeah, the cheek implants are really obvious

When you look at the "before" and "after" pics side by side.

[GoCubsGo]

25. She was actually squinting. Trumps do that a lot.

It's part of their "looking tough" schtick. She and her asshole husband both had that squint for their first "official" photographs. I guess they thought they were posing for some TV show ad campaign. They wound up having to retake them with more "normal" expressions on their faces.

[GoCubsGo]

27. She used to bear a slight resemblance to Julia Roberts.

She should have stuck with what she was born with, instead of turning herself into such a freak show

[Laura PourMeADrink]

55. Ya... She did!. Isn't it funny too that she looks 100% more intelligent too nt

[garybeck]

101. I like the before much better

[Cha]

9. Hillary's tweet on it & another with pic of Dr Jill Biden..

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

The worst thing about mrs trump is she's a birther.. she spread nasty Birther LIES about President Obama.

[Ligyron]

10. It's kinda like Idiocracy, 'cept it's the wife that's the porn star.

Don't worry, we're getting there...

[Yavin4]

68. "kinda like Idiocracy"? Exactly like. n/t

[HughBeaumont]

105. I think it's worse.

Because in THAT movie, society was comprised of the dumbest people alive, but they still elected the smartest among them to run the country.

Didn't exactly see that in 2016 . . . and that Fascist GAINED 11 million votes in 2020. It took an unprecedented Democratic turnout to defeat him, and now we're stuck with his fanatic cult.

[mainer]

11. And the NYP shames this EMT

But Melanie gets a pass.

Link to tweet

?s=21

[mainer]

12. She saves lives and is cash-strapped

And now she may lose her job because she had a side gig posting racy pictures to pay the bills.

[42bambi]

49. Good for her. She kept her head above water and didn't even have to

marry a millionaire!

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

90. AOC defended her pretty well

Link to tweet

?s=20

[Joinfortmill]

13. Agree

[Fyrefox]

14. Republicans ignore a multitude of sins...

...where their own are concerned, but are quick to mount their moral high horses against any opposition when they can generate even a suspicion of impropriety. Education rubs against the grain because it can lead to critical thinking and "uppity women" who don't "know their place." Trump couldn't begin to match Hillary's brains or her qualifications, so he successfully cast her among his followers as a "nasty woman."

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

35. I have been told, in as many words, that my having a masters from Harvard

Was something to be ashamed of. I'll bet that person would think that my wife's Harvard MA was even worse.

[Turbineguy]

15. That is somewhat revealing

Are they saying "We hate smart people, we love trump, therefore trump is an idiot?"

[bdamomma]

56. those followers of

his have some mental health issues, most of them are white men and women, who are deeply flawed, angry and just plain miserable.

and they have a deep disdain for higher learning or learning period.

[Aussie105]

18. Apparently a nude posing first lady is fine

because she is married to a Republican president, while an educated woman with a doctorate isn't ok, because she is married to a Democrat president elect?

Oh, ok. The total cynicism of that attitude is noted.

If i had any respect or hope for redemption for Republicans to start with, which I didn't, it would be fully gone now.

[wally baby]

19. Don't forget Melania is everything Trump supposedly hates.

An immigrant who has an anchor baby, then chain migrates her parents.

[niyad]

30. Yes, I like pointing that out to people.

[JI7]

39. No, Trump hates non white people . Most immigrants these days are non white

but remember how he said he wishes we had more people from places like Norway instead of the "shithole" countries ?

[Evolve Dammit]

47. I just read last week, that in four years he did not visit a single African country. Pathetic.

[bdamomma]

57. why would he???

he's a proclaimed white supremacist and racist.

[Evolve Dammit]

86. to pretend he wasn't a white supremecist and racist?? PR Imaging?? Nah.

[Gothmog]

20. The attacks on Dr. Jill Biden piss me off

Also remember that Melania came to the USA on an Rinstein visa that was based on lies about her education

[Aussie105]

24. Einstein visa . . .

meant for smart people who can make some intellectual contribution to the country.

How that morphs into giving such a visa to someone prepared to show her lady bits is beyond me. It's not a skill America is short of.

[niyad]

32. If I remember correctly, she came on a tourist visa, started working illegally. The Einstein came

later. No explanation for what outstanding contribution she made culturally or intellectually. (Hmm a bit of russian persuasion, perhaps?).

[OldEurope]

44. Rinstein visa is perfect in this case

Rinnstein is German for gutter...

[dalton99a]

64. +1. She lied - in writing - and Republicans covered for her

[cwydro]

26. Sure couldn't ignore it if you were a member of DU.

I saw so many pics of her posted over and over.

[GoCubsGo]

28. Republicans are hypocrites. So, what else is new?

[BarackTheVote]

29. It's possible to point out Republican moral hypocrisy

without straight-up “slut shaming” or dragging someone just because of their appearance.

[3catwoman3]

31. "Rather salaciously."

RATHER? Flat out soft porn, at the very least.

Rather, my ass.

[cab67]

33. I don't care if she posed nude.

That's not something we should be focused on. Really. A lot of women have posed nude. Men, too. It says nothing about their character unless we want it to.

That she didn't get a degree is also not, in and of itself, a shortcoming. Lots of people don't get college degrees for one reason or another. Some can't afford them, or circumstances arise that prevent them from attending college. Others find a path in life that brings success and happiness, but which never passes through a college classroom. College isn't necessarily for everyone.

That she, or those around her, claimed she got a college degree, when she apparently did not, is the problem. Not about Melania - as of January 21, she won't cross my mind again - but about those who belittle Dr. Biden for having gotten an advanced degree and sometimes having been addressed by the title appropriate to one holding it.

It's not the nudity. It's the hypocrisy.

[kcr]

103. You think?

I don't know how you missed that in the first place. Pretty obvious it's the hypocricy.

[cab67]

106. I didn't.

But you'd be surprised at how many people do.

[dalton99a]

34. Kick

[George II]

36. This is one of the tamer pictures of her (that's a trump shuttle 727, now bankrupt):

[dalton99a]

48. +1

[jayschool2013]

37. Melania's a polyglot, no doubt

She speaks at least five languages:
Russian: Вы ведь не полицейский? Вы должны сказать мне, если да.
Slovenian: Saj niste policist, kajne? Povedati mi moraš, če si.
Serbian: Ниси ваљда полицајац? Морате ми рећи ако јесте.
German: Sie sind doch kein Polizist, oder? Du musst mir sagen, ob du es bist.
English: You're not a police officer, are you? You have to tell me if you are.

[Larissa]

85. Melania could teach English

"You pay now!"

[Paladin]

38. Fucking bullseye. (nt)

[ancianita]

41. To any Republican in earshot I called her the slut-on-a-rug fake first "lady." Free speech, ya know.

[Oscarthegreat]

42. She does speak five languages

She knows how to say 'leave money on dresser' in five languages.

[bdamomma]

59. nt

[The Jungle 1]

43. First lady / porn star Melania Trump

Maybe Jill should drop the Dr. after all Melania dropped porn star from her title. Makes perfect sense it would be the gracious thing to do. NOT

[Blue Owl]

45. A first lady who will care...

Not one that doesn't even pretend to, and rather loudly states that she does not...

[sarisataka]

50. How should a woman who has posed nude be treated?

She she be treated differently if it was posed rather salacious? Should that treatment change if she becomes the first lady?

How should a man who has posed nude be treated...


I will assume anyone who objects to a woman, or man, for being "too educated" is themselves a fool.

[station agent]

51. Never attack anyone for taking their clothes off

There are literally thousands of better targets and many better targets to criticize Melania for if you are so inclined. Of course the attacks on Dr. Biden are ridiculous but calling out Melania for posing nude is low.

[BarackTheVote]

53. Thanks for saying that. This is a really ugly thread NT

[DrToast]

54. Yep. Apparently people here are okay with slut shaming

If they don't like the target.

[Lunabell]

67. I think it's the hypocrisy of being the "party of family values"

And then calling Melanie "classy". It is the height of hypocrisy according to the rules they made up. Just my take.

[GoCubsGo]

76. Absolutely, it is the hypocrisy.

The Right nearly had a stroke because Michelle Obama took an official photograph in a sleeveless dress. Their guy's wife takes soft porn photos, and they look the other way. Just imagine if Michelle gave us a Melania-style naked crotch shot, rather than bare arms.... They bragged about Melania's allegedly speaking 5 languages, and lied about her education background to make her out to be some kind of genius. Meanwhile, Jill Biden actually HAS the education background, and they're belittling it. Damn right it's only about the hypocrisy.

[live love laugh]

70. Why?

[zanana1]

65. They don't like that snobby, highfalutin' book learning.

Well, excuse me for getting an education.

[Cozmo]

66. That's funny, I email trump yesterday telling him Melanoma was no lady, first or otherwise

[BusyBeingBest]

69. It's not denigrating sex workers or slut-shaming

to acknowledge that Melania Trump really has nothing else to offer, and no other achievements, aside from modeling and unveiling her jugs and caboose. She doesn't even geev a FAAAAHHHK about Kreeesmusss, so she gets no credit for decorating either.

[patphil]

72. In the minds of some of the more perverse people of this nation,

An old saw should be modified to read like this:

Women should be seen (naked) and not heard (educated).

The sad truth is that no male Doctor of Education would have been criticized for using "Dr." as his title.
But, I like the title the way it is: Dr. Jill Biden.
Soon to be First Lady of the United States of America.

[yardwork]

73. Are we surprised? This is consistent with Republican values.

I better never hear a Republican scold Bill Clinton again, that's all I'm saying.

And those supposed evangelical Christians? My Christianity involves actually following Jesus's message. I don't know who they're following but I have some suspicions.

[BobTheSubgenius]

74. I thought the - for want of a better word - attacks against Melania were very restrained.

And damned few, considering the RW media and the professional whores they adore wouldn't have let a day go by without screaming about it, had that been, say, HRC, or Michelle, or any D that was at all notable.

[PatrickforO]

75. That is kind of strange in a disgustingly sexist way.

While I have always been inclined to give Melania a pass for posing nude in the past, I don't give her the same leeway for that 'I really don't care, do you?' jacket. That was despicable and showed us that while she might be pleasant looking outside, she is evil and twisted inside.

As to DR Biden, that guy was totally out of line. She worked HARD for that degree - I know because I worked hard for my own master's degree. She has every right to insist on being called Dr. Biden.

In fact, kpete, I'm pretty effing tired of there being such a double standard. Democrats need to be playing some hardball here.

For example, if our guys win in GA, Biden needs to invoke the constitution and have VP Harris preside over the senate to ensure that legislation actually GETS to the floor for debate. That is hardball.

And having Biden remain aloof while the DoJ and the IRS investigate Trump and his disgusting administration, and the state Attorneys General pursue investigations with possible indictments and trials, is fine. That's hardball too.

And this new deal with Cuomo - if he did the sexual harassment, that is bad, but don't you think the timing is suspicious given that he just signed legislation in his state allowing Trump minions to be prosecuted even after a Trump pardon? I do. I think money may have changed hands...

[GoCubsGo]

77. The timing on all these things is questionable, for sure. nt

[kpete]

89. PatrickforO

Thank you for your thoughtful post. I never really cared about Melania's or anybody else's nudity. I have been much more upset about her "birtherism" comments and the hypocrisy of the so-called evangelicals. Hell, she can stay naked anywhere she wants and when she goes to Florida, she won't be so cold.

https://boingboing.net/2020/09/06/melania-trump-pushed-racist-ob.html

[PatrickforO]

97. Yes, these Trumps are disgusting, foul people you wouldn't even want in your house.

The racism that was aimed at Obama during his entire term made me sick. Obama was great. I didn't always agree with everything he did, but he had some truly huge accomplishments. And no indictments, and no convictions.

Plus, I sure felt safe when he was in the White House - like he had it all under control. I was proud to be an American when Obama interacted with other world leaders. The guy was great. A genuinely good, moral man who was an excellent president.

The fact he was an excellent president, though, was just too much for these racists, and that makes me so angry. Once, in early 2009 when I was in the office, I was talking about some of the good things Obama and the Democrats were doing to keep the world from going into a depression. A young colleague looked at me, crossed her arms over her chest and said, "Obama is a MESS."

Just like that.

He wasn't a mess. If you look objectively at his presidency, he advanced good, solid policies that actually improved things. But this young woman couldn't see beyond race. And he endured so many snubs. Michelle too.

And that 'birtherism' was just more racist bullshit. God, it makes me mad.

Sorry for the rant, but when I compare a stand-up guy like Obama to a dirtbag like Trump, it...well, you know.

On edit: corrected sentence about no indictments and no convictions. Obama had plenty of personal conviction, you see, but NO convictions!

[Mr.Bill]

82. She lied on her immigration papers. It can be easily proven.

She should be deported. Case closed.

[dlk]

83. So long to the First Floozy

You won’t be missed.

[mtnsnake]

84. I wonder how many people looked at this thread and immediately googled "nude melania photos"

not that I would ever do anything like that, heeee...

[kpete]

91. she is definitely

overexposed

[azureblue]

93. I don't think her nudes are sexy

She looks like she isn't "there". Cold. About one step colder than a barbie doll

[SoFlaBro]

94. tRump has been running up his TRICK TAB with Melania, and the bill is coming due.

n/t

[Mike Nelson]

98. Her photos...

... are posted frequently on social media. I don't recall any serious report on her nude pix career... it would be a good story. Maybe she can help young nudes break into the business and help with how to avoid pitfalls... or, if they want more serious sex work, guide them into that, too.

[live love laugh]

99. Right. Especially since many say there's nothing shameful about this. Why hide it?

The lack of discussion one way or the other is telling.

[Retrograde]

100. 3 things I'd like to know about Melania

1. Where's her portfolio from her modeling days in Paris and Milan? If she was employed as a model, surely she'd have one, even if it's mostly catalog shots.

2. How did she support herself after she moved to New York? She came on a tourist visa, so she couldn't get legitimate work. But yet, according to "The Art of Her Deal" she was able to have her own apartment and travel back and forth from Slovenia periodically to get her tourist visa renewed.

3. Donald Trump has said that they were introduced by Jeffery Epstein: how did Melania meet Epstein?

[Aussie105]

102. Worked it out!

I've worked out why the Melania/Donald liason irks me so much.

It's not the fact Melania is an immigrant, nor that she had an anchor baby and brought her parents over.

It's not the fact that in her youth she posed for soft porn pictures.
A lot of aspiring actresses do that to start off a much more serious career.

It's not the fact that she wanted to be a Princess and live in a castle, and used her natural talents to get there.

It's not the fact Trump dumped wife 1 for number 2, then moved on to Melania.

The thing that gets me riled up, is the simple fact that all this sleaze was presented as a 'so what, it is normal' by Trump and his followers. And accepted without a murmur.

Now I have to ask, in all seriousness, of all the previous presidents, are there any who were married 3 times before entering office, and the latest wife was an ex-stripper/soft porn queen?

So, not normal, but it was accepted by both sided as a 'yep, sure, no problems' type of thing well before the 2016 election?