The end of two-Party politics?

[kentuck]

Will we have elections in the future between Democrats and Republicans?

Or will it be pro-democratic forces against the radical, violent, divisive, anti-democratic Party now given birth in the USA?

Will Democrats and Republicans be required to unite in order to save our democracy?

Those are a few thoughts in my head today.

[TwilightZone]

1. Republicans aren't about to unite with anyone.

They have little reason to do so. The voters certainly aren't punishing them. The worst of the worst, outside of Trump, got reelected, most of them pretty easily.

"Or will it be pro-democratic forces against the radical, violent, divisive, anti-democratic Party now given birth in the USA? "

You mean, the same GOP it's been for 40 years?

[kentuck]

3. It has never been this bad....

Although we all know dastardly deeds of the Republican Party.

However, they are in the deep water part of the river right now. They are going to have to swim or drown.

It will be interesting to see if McConnell makes any statement before the election results on January 6th?

[TwilightZone]

6. It's been exactly like this for the past twelve years.

Nothing has changed. McConnell announced that he was going to obstruct on day one of the Obama administration and has done nothing but obstruct since. Their strategy is exactly the same now as it was 12 years ago. Obstruct, suppress votes, lie, and obfuscate. The only difference between then and now is that Trump was a little more overt about it.

"They are going to have to swim or drown."

Nope, as long as the American public stays fickle and nearly half of it stays ignorant, they won't change. They have no reason to.

[Karadeniz]

2. America needs to be taught fascism and what's going on. There is no conservative party.

Until Republicans can nominate candidates who refuse to obstruct, lie, etc, they should get no votes and the current crop destroyed.

[turtleblossom]

4. The GOP are pushing for a one-party rule

With the gerrymandering, judicial appointments, and voting restrictions, they're trying to make so that no Democrat will ever be elected. These people are at war. They're not trying compromise.

[PTWB]

5. I used to be of the opinion that we would be better off without a two party system

Where we had a vast array of parties that had to work together and were more representative of the vast ideological differences we see from the furthest left to the further right within our party.

Now, though, I’m not so sure. MAGA is a huge bloc of voters. It’s alarming that there can be so many who are so out of touch with reality.

[msongs]

11. too many parties in germany allowed the nazis to take control. they did not have 50% so they

refused to cooperate, jammed up the works, walked out denying quorums, prevented votes. and of course caused bodily harm to opponents.

[Politicub]

7. We are stuck with two parties, unless the electoral structure of the country changes.

In a winner-take-all system like the U.S. has had since its founding, third parties have little chance of being more than spoilers.

The GOP will probably become the anti-democracy party, and attract enough people to remain competitive. I hope more of the country goes the way of major-city suburbs, which have been trending blue.

[Sympthsical]

9. Why would Republicans change? They gained power outside of the presidency

Sure, Trump lost. But they gained in the House and in various state governments. Republican politicians are proving at this very moment that there's very little they can do that is too radical to affect their incredibly gerrymandered districts.

And don't forget, all of their underhanded, pro-Trump tactics gained them an untold number of lifetime federal judgeships and the firmest control of the Supreme Court in generations. Trump paid out.

They have no need to change. Trump was incredibly beatable. Even then, aside from the popular vote, he got a lot more votes and electoral college near misses than I am personally comfortable with. And that's with a Covid crisis that's killed hundreds of thousands and an economy absolutely in the toilet. This should've been a Nixonian thrashing in reverse.

Imagine the kind of damage an actual competent Republican could do.

The Republican Party isn't close to being destroyed. They control too much, and they are highly aware of it. They're very good at wielding their power, no matter how little. We need to play a lot of catch up on that score if we don't want to see further corrosion of our democracy. Our party needs to change, and rapidly. I imagine that's a discussion we'll be having in the next year or so. It's one we can no longer afford to ignore.

The past 40 years have not worked. We need to be doing something different.

[kentuck]

10. "The Republican Party isn't close to being destroyed"

The Republican Party has already been destroyed. What we have now, the Trump Party, is an entirely different political assimilation/

[Sympthsical]

12. It's really not. This isn't the end. This is another step forward.

This sort of concentration of power and wrestling away majority rule because of changing demographics has been their goal for decades. Demographically, they know their goose is cooked. So they need to find other means. This past month is just setting some stones and pushing the line a bit further. And next time, it will be pushed further than that.

All this theater has a purpose. Biden will be inaugurated. Nothing is going to stop that. That's not what this is all about. This is about making a large portion of the electorate comfortable with the idea of overturning elections. It's the frog in the pot scenario. This year, they turned the notch on the stove up one. In two or four years, they'll attempt another notch.

We're not boiling yet, but things are getting a bit balmy up in here.

[kentuck]

14. Well, we know that 126 Republican Congresspeople signed on to the Supreme Court case...

...which was shot down unanimously.

I have to think that a large percentage of Republicans will desert this madhouse. The cult will remain. But they are not ideological. They worship their leader.

We can only hope they do not support the madness the next time around.

[haele]

13. That's always been discussed since 1820 or so.

The problem is that the various gentlemen who had input to the Constitution did not want a Parliament even though they set up the governance mechanisms for this new country similarly to those found in Parliaments, (upper chambers, lower chambers, separate executive and judiciary branches), with the expectation that each man in Congress will vote per his own conscience. Well...
People began creating alliances; conservative/liberal, farming/industry; expansionism/nativism, urban/rural...and they created parties where the strongest cliques over-rode any smaller cliques.
The Republicans were once Whigs, which had folded in the smaller but similar Federalists before the third President was elected. The Democrats were once Republican-Democrats. And each of those two large parties gobbled up any little third party that would be remotely similar in policies that came along, out of simple survival.

As for Republicans and Democrats uniting - I don't see many "moderate" or "lifelong" old school Republicans now-days who haven't already drank the flavor-aid to get elected; the Fascist/Christianist/Corporate party has pretty much taken over what was left of the Republican party.
You may find several Democratic politicians who will accept or favor some authoritarian policies over progressive on a case by case basis, but you will never find a Republican politician who will favor progressive over authoritarian policies unless there's actual legislation or judicial ruling involved that forces him or her to agree to a progressive policy. He or she will get kicked out of their party if they deviated from the leadership's strategic goals. This from over 40 years of ruthless purging within the Republican party itself. The last couple years of Senate and House votes should be enough proof of that.

If a Republican did want to unite with the Democrats, they would have to become independents. And even then, the Republican party would hold them to GOP policies on such a short rein that the Democratic party doesn't hold it's own members to. The GOP doesn't care, they'll just keep on running their primaries from the right.

Haele

[hunter]

15. It's time for the Republican Party to die.

And they will.