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Gothmog

(145,086 posts)
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:20 PM Dec 2020

Fifty Years of Tax Cuts for Rich Didn't Trickle Down, Study Says

There is no tax cut fairy and tax cuts for the rich do not work in the real world




Tax cuts for rich people breed inequality without providing much of a boon to anyone else, according to a study of the advanced world that could add to the case for the wealthy to bear more of the cost of the coronavirus pandemic.

The paper, by David Hope of the London School of Economics and Julian Limberg of King’s College London, found that such measures over the last 50 years only really benefited the individuals who were directly affected, and did little to promote jobs or growth.

“Policy makers shouldn’t worry that raising taxes on the rich to fund the financial costs of the pandemic will harm their economies,” Hope said in an interview....

The authors applied an analysis amalgamating a range of levies on income, capital and assets in 18 OECD countries, including the U.S. and U.K., over the past half century.

Their findings published Wednesday counter arguments, often made in the U.S., that policies which appear to disproportionately aid richer individuals eventually feed through to the rest of the economy. The timespan of the paper ends in 2015, but Hope says such an analysis would also apply to President Donald Trump’s tax cut enacted in 2017.

“Our research suggests such policies don’t deliver the sort of trickle-down effects that proponents have claimed,” Hope said.


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Fifty Years of Tax Cuts for Rich Didn't Trickle Down, Study Says (Original Post) Gothmog Dec 2020 OP
They don't pay for themselves in terms of tax revenues either nt Shermann Dec 2020 #1
Didn't need a study to tell us that. GoCubsGo Dec 2020 #2
THIS Talitha Dec 2020 #20
Double THIS! (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Dec 2020 #26
Big well duh! dchill Dec 2020 #48
Quadruple THIS!!!! My first thought was ... KPN Dec 2020 #49
SHOCKING! Bettie Dec 2020 #3
K & R & Retweeted! SunSeeker Dec 2020 #4
Yeah ... we know! FakeNoose Dec 2020 #5
That is a great description on how trickle down economics works Gothmog Dec 2020 #50
Great graphic Martin Eden Dec 2020 #55
The only thing that would improve your graphic UpInArms Dec 2020 #58
Not at all. The concept failed to consider the effects of greed. ooky Dec 2020 #6
K & R Budi Dec 2020 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Budi Dec 2020 #8
Eat the Rich (1987) JanMichael Dec 2020 #9
I disagree Chainfire Dec 2020 #10
America has been an oligarchy for a long time. Power in the hands of the rich. Irish_Dem Dec 2020 #11
Yes it has OldBaldy1701E Dec 2020 #32
I have been saying for decades that America is an oligarchy. Irish_Dem Dec 2020 #35
THAT is what burns me to this day OldBaldy1701E Dec 2020 #62
We are just consumers now, no longer considered people or citizens. Irish_Dem Dec 2020 #68
Duh. SamKnause Dec 2020 #12
I'm shocked! SHOCKED I SAY! LymphocyteLover Dec 2020 #13
The Republican response: Not yet gratuitous Dec 2020 #14
Well, it was known in 1932 ... Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2020 #15
Hmm... regnaD kciN Dec 2020 #16
One of my favorite scenes in one of wnylib Dec 2020 #42
Friedman and all his enablers failed malaise Dec 2020 #17
No. They got exactly what they wanted. It was never intended to do what they promised. rickyhall Dec 2020 #21
Naomi Klein was right malaise Dec 2020 #22
Exactly. Even Papa Bush knew that it was wnylib Dec 2020 #44
A classic meme: aidbo Dec 2020 #18
Perfect malaise Dec 2020 #23
Trickle down Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2020 #31
I have always called it "trickle on" economics. wnylib Dec 2020 #45
Peon me UpInArms Dec 2020 #59
Really? smirkymonkey Dec 2020 #19
In other news, water is wet. onecaliberal Dec 2020 #24
Because Republicans keep cutting taxes for the wealthy promising big jobs. Lonestarblue Dec 2020 #27
I don't get why people believe things people on teevee say like they can't look in their wallet onecaliberal Dec 2020 #30
As the classic meme says, OldBaldy1701E Dec 2020 #34
I Did A Paper On This... ProfessorGAC Dec 2020 #25
Upton Sinclair explained... Kid Berwyn Dec 2020 #33
I think most of us here know that Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2020 #28
The people repeating it directly benefit from it. JHB Dec 2020 #56
It was not supposed to-they were selling this lie to get richer StClone Dec 2020 #29
It worked on the back of a bar napkin. gibraltar72 Dec 2020 #36
And we keep having these studies why? Like the one 3 years ago wasn't conclusive enough? ancianita Dec 2020 #37
Yes, I thought that this had been studied to death - all with the same conclusion. Marie Marie Dec 2020 #39
Tell the Lincoln Project zentrum Dec 2020 #38
MSNBC Republicans OhioTim Dec 2020 #40
the only thing that trickled down was them pissing on us Skittles Dec 2020 #41
And? AngryOldDem Dec 2020 #43
From David Stockman, Reagan's budget director chriscan64 Dec 2020 #46
No fucking shit. Solly Mack Dec 2020 #47
There's a big surprise... dlk Dec 2020 #51
DUH! pansypoo53219 Dec 2020 #52
I'm going to let Iago speak for me. Hong Kong Cavalier Dec 2020 #53
Perfect! OldBaldy1701E Dec 2020 #63
Doin' pretty good. Not touring 'cause Covid, of course. Hong Kong Cavalier Dec 2020 #64
So, I have one song. OldBaldy1701E Dec 2020 #65
Nice! Hong Kong Cavalier Dec 2020 #66
Me either OldBaldy1701E Dec 2020 #67
Guess who's 50? AwakeAtLast Dec 2020 #54
K&R ck4829 Dec 2020 #57
Rudy's hair dye is the only trickle down Gothmog Dec 2020 #60
My lips slowly and silently form the words... Hugin Dec 2020 #61
This is an insult to us. We knew we would get pissed on from the start. And so did Bloomberg Hotler Dec 2020 #69
From the Hoarse Whisperer Gothmog Dec 2020 #70
Instead, Jared Kushner failed upward Blue Owl Dec 2020 #71
From Senator Warren Gothmog Dec 2020 #72
50 years of tax cuts for the rich failed to trickle down, economics study says Gothmog Dec 2020 #73

KPN

(15,642 posts)
49. Quadruple THIS!!!! My first thought was ...
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 08:23 PM
Dec 2020

it takes a frigging study to figure that out?! Many of us figured that from the get-go, when David Stockman pushed it as Reagan’ head of OMB. And some of us have known it for 30 years!

Martin Eden

(12,863 posts)
55. Great graphic
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 07:42 AM
Dec 2020

Tax cuts for the rich achieve two things:

1) Return on investment for funding politicians they essentially bought.

2) Starve the government of funds, intentionally driving up deficits so these politicians can push for "entitlement reforms" -- cutting earned benefits we paid for our entire working lives with deductions from every paycheck.

UpInArms

(51,280 posts)
58. The only thing that would improve your graphic
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 10:17 AM
Dec 2020

would be the addition of one more panel ... showing the largest glass even bigger and all the small glasses broken

Response to Gothmog (Original post)

Chainfire

(17,526 posts)
10. I disagree
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:41 PM
Dec 2020

I have felt trickled upon at least sine Reagan. I am not like Trump who can go to Russia to get trickled on, so I am glad they brought it to us working stiffs.

Irish_Dem

(46,887 posts)
11. America has been an oligarchy for a long time. Power in the hands of the rich.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 05:42 PM
Dec 2020

The rest of us get a few crumbs to keep us quiet.

OldBaldy1701E

(5,113 posts)
32. Yes it has
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 07:34 PM
Dec 2020

and the level of delusion that I see every day that insists that I am wrong... well, that usually comes from the mouthpieces of those same rich people. Only someone who is 'in' on the money making is going to even try to say we are not. The rest are just those who were not blessed with a fully functioning brain. The disparity is so bad now that even first graders can see it.

Irish_Dem

(46,887 posts)
35. I have been saying for decades that America is an oligarchy.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 07:38 PM
Dec 2020

People are finally catching up and can see it for themselves.'
It had to get really bad unfortunately. Americans dying and in food lines.

OldBaldy1701E

(5,113 posts)
62. THAT is what burns me to this day
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 12:15 PM
Dec 2020

the sacrifice of so many fellow Americans on the alter of corporate greed. It is horrifying and immoral. Not just those who were directly connected to those organizations, but the way they have tweaked out every aspect of our socio-economic lives to favor themselves at every turn. I myself can only hope that this economy collapses so we can try for something better.

(Doubt it will come to this, but it needs to. As you said, it had to get really bad before the recognition would begin. I don't want that in the context of the people who will suffer, but I sure do want it so that we can try to progress as a society. We sure have not in the past 50 years, except in ways that made the oligarchs more money.)

Irish_Dem

(46,887 posts)
68. We are just consumers now, no longer considered people or citizens.
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 12:49 PM
Dec 2020

We are only cheap labor and consumers to the oligarchs.

I don't know what it will take, even during severe societal crisis, the rich get much richer.
As the rest of us suffer.

Dark GOP money is flooding GA right now.
Anything to prevent a Dem Senate who will help people with no food or homes.

The richest nation in the history of the world and they can barely throw us a few crumbs.

Russia is not really a nation anymore, but a band of extremely rich oligarchs holding power over the Russian people.
Recent events in the US show us we are not far behind them.

The ultra wealthy are even funding travel to Mars now. Is this their escape plan, once they trash this planet they will
jump to another one and repeat the cycle?

A gloomy picture, but we can hope the American people wake up in larger numbers.
Perhaps free two year college educations would help people understand what it means to be a citizen, and how the world
can be a better place.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
14. The Republican response: Not yet
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 06:02 PM
Dec 2020

But let's try another round of tax cuts for the wealthy and see if it works then. We're pretty sure it will this time. And if not this time, surely next time. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
21. No. They got exactly what they wanted. It was never intended to do what they promised.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 07:19 PM
Dec 2020

It's all a scam to help the rich, probably since the 1870s. Sorry for my bluntness. I don't trust any Repug.

malaise

(268,887 posts)
22. Naomi Klein was right
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 07:24 PM
Dec 2020

Shock Doctrine all for the rich!
It was nothing but propaganda and way too many bought into this prosperity shit. Meanwhile the rich have looted the world and own most of the politicians.

Please be careful many former progressive bought into this crap.

wnylib

(21,422 posts)
44. Exactly. Even Papa Bush knew that it was
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 08:11 PM
Dec 2020

voodoo economics. Never was intended to work as described. Just an economic con job.

Lonestarblue

(9,965 posts)
27. Because Republicans keep cutting taxes for the wealthy promising big jobs.
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 07:31 PM
Dec 2020

Their voters need to be reminded over and over that trickle down is a scam. Economic understanding is abysmal in this country, especially among backward Republicans who believe whatever Fox and Rush tell them to believe.

onecaliberal

(32,816 posts)
30. I don't get why people believe things people on teevee say like they can't look in their wallet
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 07:34 PM
Dec 2020

bank accounts. They can't discern that they are making the same amount of money each year or less but everything they have to buy costs more. It's just common sense, but I guess they are not in possession of any.

ProfessorGAC

(64,988 posts)
25. I Did A Paper On This...
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 07:29 PM
Dec 2020

...in econometrics for my MBA, in '95.
There was no manipulation of factors, or weighting that could twist the data into showing a macroeconomic benefit.
My paper was well received, even among the libertarian instructors.
Well enough, that my Business Plan assignment was allowed to be fiscal policy proposal, instead of business formation.
I don't know why it took professional economists this long to publish a comprehensive statement to this effect.

Kid Berwyn

(14,863 posts)
33. Upton Sinclair explained...
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 07:35 PM
Dec 2020

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."

JHB

(37,158 posts)
56. The people repeating it directly benefit from it.
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 07:58 AM
Dec 2020

For instance, 1955's 91% tax bracket, adjusted for inflation, at about $1.5 million today. Joe Scarborough makes about 6-8 million.

No way he's going to bad-mouth tax cuts for the rich.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
38. Tell the Lincoln Project
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 07:47 PM
Dec 2020

….who did a zoom meeting not too long ago talking about how Reagan was the last good Republican.

chriscan64

(1,789 posts)
46. From David Stockman, Reagan's budget director
Wed Dec 16, 2020, 08:16 PM
Dec 2020

"It was always about the right to get rich and keep the money."
The Triumph of Politics

Hong Kong Cavalier

(4,572 posts)
64. Doin' pretty good. Not touring 'cause Covid, of course.
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 12:27 PM
Dec 2020

Buckaroo's a doctor, and a damn good one, so of course we're gonna listen to him.

Spendin' the time workin' on a new album. Should be ready to go by next summer.







(Note: for anyone who hasn't seen the movie, these are just references to The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the Eighth Dimension, one of my favorite cult movies. I am not in the band, nor do I claim to be Doctor Buckaroo Banzai or any of the Hong Kong Cavaliers. )

OldBaldy1701E

(5,113 posts)
65. So, I have one song.
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 12:31 PM
Dec 2020

In the movie, they start a rocking tune but Buckaroo sees that girl and decides to stop the song and do something more mellow and softer. I took the bit of the first song they started and edited it into an entire song back when the movie came out on VHS. I had so many fans lose their minds and want a copy of it. Hehe.

Hong Kong Cavalier

(4,572 posts)
66. Nice!
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 12:38 PM
Dec 2020

I know the slow song was "Since I Don't Have You" but I never knew if the opening tune to their set was an actual song or just studio music made for the movie.

OldBaldy1701E

(5,113 posts)
67. Me either
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 12:41 PM
Dec 2020

but I liked it so much I wanted to both have a full copy of it and to see if my band could do it. (We never did the tune though... bummer).

Hotler

(11,412 posts)
69. This is an insult to us. We knew we would get pissed on from the start. And so did Bloomberg
Thu Dec 17, 2020, 12:52 PM
Dec 2020

and the other 1%. And they all enjoyed the boat loads of money and power. And on top of pissing on us they want liability from injuring us in the work place.

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