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John Adams said this, and I think it's worth remembering. (Original Post) CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2020 OP
KnR... N_E_1 for Tennis Dec 2020 #1
Member of the early Federalist Party, which was an early predecessor to the Republican Party--ironic hlthe2b Dec 2020 #2
All, or almost all, the Federalists are ironic today soldierant Dec 2020 #38
To which any current Republican would reply... dchill Dec 2020 #3
+Million. Thanks for posting, Peggy. Hortensis Dec 2020 #4
I wish this was on every billboard in the United States. BComplex Dec 2020 #5
+1776 Tommymac Dec 2020 #7
No, Reagan just left out one key word. plimsoll Dec 2020 #13
Good point! n/t BComplex Dec 2020 #14
If government was the problem, Mr.Bill Dec 2020 #22
I refuse to vote for people whose stated purpose is to destroy the government... Wounded Bear Dec 2020 #24
This 👆🏼 UpInArms Dec 2020 #39
Well, it's not specifically to destroy government. plimsoll Dec 2020 #31
Thanks! mgardener Dec 2020 #6
Yes judesedit Dec 2020 #8
Irony, indeed.................. MyOwnPeace Dec 2020 #9
Except maybe the Alien and Sedition Acts RVN VET71 Dec 2020 #19
It's interesting that after a long and bitter rivalry, Jefferson and Adams became friends FakeNoose Dec 2020 #20
And they both died on the same day! MyOwnPeace Dec 2020 #21
Beat me to it. MoonchildCA Dec 2020 #41
!00% wendyb-NC Dec 2020 #10
K&R smirkymonkey Dec 2020 #11
Yes. it's a great point of view. Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2020 #12
Show that to any Republican today, without attribution DFW Dec 2020 #15
John Adams took this country more seriously than anybody bucolic_frolic Dec 2020 #16
Spot on CP! geardaddy Dec 2020 #17
Adams would have won the 1800 election but for the 3/5ths Clause. malchickiwick Dec 2020 #18
Interesting points grantcart Dec 2020 #26
Well said misanthrope Dec 2020 #30
Sit down John! For god's sake John sit down! Kablooie Dec 2020 #23
Absolutely Sweet Peggy Horse with no Name Dec 2020 #25
Happy Holidays to you too, my dear Horse with no Name! CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2020 #27
Whoever posted this before must have really been looking hard for clickbait. BobTheSubgenius Dec 2020 #28
Thank you so much for posting this, Peggy. pity they didn't "Remember the Ladies", as we are niyad Dec 2020 #29
That is what I learned in school, but Republicans apparently never got the message. Nitram Dec 2020 #32
My dear California Peggy, thanks for the timely reminder. 11 Bravo Dec 2020 #33
Sounds like one o' them Socialists.. Permanut Dec 2020 #34
YES!! K&R TigressDem Dec 2020 #35
Eerily like that book that nothing beats, that It's never read? czarjak Dec 2020 #36
Yes, and Hell Yes.. whathehell Dec 2020 #37
K&r Demovictory9 Dec 2020 #40

N_E_1 for Tennis

(9,664 posts)
1. KnR...
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 12:43 PM
Dec 2020

Back in grade school when we were in trouble our teachers would have us write the Gettysburg Address or the opening of the Bill of Rights 50 or 100 times it had to be legible or we did it over again.

The Senators that signed on the “Friend of the Court” brief should be forced to write that at least 100 x’s maybe a little of it may sink in.

hlthe2b

(102,131 posts)
2. Member of the early Federalist Party, which was an early predecessor to the Republican Party--ironic
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 12:44 PM
Dec 2020

--much as having Lincoln the most lauded representative of the Republican Party is today.

soldierant

(6,791 posts)
38. All, or almost all, the Federalists are ironic today
Wed Dec 23, 2020, 02:43 AM
Dec 2020

because they actually had principles.

And - if everyone had principles - some of their ideas might actually work. buy no means all of them, but some of them, as opposed to ZERO today.

BComplex

(8,019 posts)
5. I wish this was on every billboard in the United States.
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 12:57 PM
Dec 2020

It would help put an end to the lie of the reagan era: "government IS the problem".

When in truth, government HATERS are the problem.

plimsoll

(1,667 posts)
13. No, Reagan just left out one key word.
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 01:50 PM
Dec 2020

GOP government isn’t the solution, GOP government is the problem.

That’s factually accurate and truthful. That’s how you know they didn’t say it.

Wounded Bear

(58,602 posts)
24. I refuse to vote for people whose stated purpose is to destroy the government...
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 02:35 PM
Dec 2020

So, I don't vote for a lot of Repubs, and no libertarians.

plimsoll

(1,667 posts)
31. Well, it's not specifically to destroy government.
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 03:42 PM
Dec 2020

It's to use the government to choose favorites. Favorite vendors, favorite CEOs. People who can do you favors and will reward you. Trump isn't a new phenomenon in the GOP, he's just more personally motivated and open about the grift.

The destruction happens because you need to place people who will either turn a blind eye to corruption or not realize that it's bad for society. People like that will allow our society to degrade. So we should be asking ourselves, "why is the GOP so vocal about our declining society but at the same time taking actions to insure that decline." There's money to be made!

It's not the size of the government, it's the integrity of that government.

MyOwnPeace

(16,917 posts)
9. Irony, indeed..................
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 01:42 PM
Dec 2020

John Adams left town and did not attend the swearing in of his successor, Thomas Jefferson.

Not that there's ANY thing in common between President Adams and BunkerBoy!

RVN VET71

(2,689 posts)
19. Except maybe the Alien and Sedition Acts
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 02:18 PM
Dec 2020

Never understood how His Rotundity came to think that a bald faced attempt to stifle criticism of the president could do anything but damage his otherwise considerable legacy. Defending the British soldiers who committed what American history has come to call "The Boston Massacre" was unpopular in the day but actually a sign of moral courage -- plus, he got them off. But outlawing criticism of him and his administration while at the same time attacking non-citizens, well, it just doesn't sit well, not with today's genuine conservatives and not with todays liberals.

FakeNoose

(32,589 posts)
20. It's interesting that after a long and bitter rivalry, Jefferson and Adams became friends
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 02:21 PM
Dec 2020

They became penpals when they were both too old to travel and meet up. The letters they exchanged have been collected and commented on by historians, it's actually a cool story.



Dyedinthewoolliberal

(15,546 posts)
12. Yes. it's a great point of view.
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 01:50 PM
Dec 2020

I only wish more people followed it. I've always said the common person needs government to protect them from corporations. I know that to be true...……….

DFW

(54,300 posts)
15. Show that to any Republican today, without attribution
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 02:00 PM
Dec 2020

And they‘ll chew you out for spouting „soshalist kommanist“ propaganda. Tell them who said it and they simply won‘t believe you.

bucolic_frolic

(43,058 posts)
16. John Adams took this country more seriously than anybody
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 02:06 PM
Dec 2020

and left a volume of papers and writings. David McCullough's bio is a great read, especially for the parts we don't usually know - Ambassador Adams and the like. Unfortunately he's remembered too often for the Alien & Sedition Acts and the First Amendment suppression they engendered.

malchickiwick

(1,474 posts)
18. Adams would have won the 1800 election but for the 3/5ths Clause.
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 02:16 PM
Dec 2020

The Constitution did not just condone the institution of chattel slavery, it actively rewarded states with undue political representation in the House and the Electoral College for increasing their numbers of enslaved people. It is not an accident that except for Adams and his son, all the presidents in the first 50 years of the republic were from slave states. Just like now, the slave state racists were an overall minority of the population, but they wielded outsized political clout over national issues thanks to the structure of the Constitution, built-in, by the way, as appeasements to racist slavers in 1787.

Jefferson only won in the EC because slavers like him were entitled to count their enslaved and tortured labor force in the census.

For the record, I don't think much of Adams' 4 years. He was a much better patriot than he was a president, and the A&S Acts are a real embarrassing stain on his legacy. But he wasn't a slaver/torturer/rapist like Jefferson, and had he won in 1800, and had the country not consistently bent over backward to do the bidding of the worst human beings on earth, we would certainly have a much more perfect union.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,560 posts)
28. Whoever posted this before must have really been looking hard for clickbait.
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 02:50 PM
Dec 2020

"If You Agree..." Who the hell would disagree??? No one I know, or want to know.

niyad

(113,074 posts)
29. Thank you so much for posting this, Peggy. pity they didn't "Remember the Ladies", as we are
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 03:30 PM
Dec 2020

still fighting that battle today.

Wishing you and yours a safe and wonderful holiday.

Permanut

(5,564 posts)
34. Sounds like one o' them Socialists..
Tue Dec 22, 2020, 07:22 PM
Dec 2020

One o' them commie, feminist anti-US globalist, tree-huggin', snowflake gun-grabbin' baby killin', big gubmint libtards to me.

Oh, wait, did you say John Adams, one of the FOUNDIN' FATHERS? Musta been a different John Adams.

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