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iluvtennis

(19,849 posts)
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 05:14 PM Dec 2020

Andrew Weissman: Manafort pardon can't restore 31 million in restitution

Andrew Weissmann
@AWeissmann_·17h
In the Manafort plea agreement, para 12, he relinquished all interest in the forfeited property criminally and civilly, precisely because we saw possibility of a pardon, which can have no effect on civil forfeiture. POTUS cannot change that through pardon power.


Josh Gerstein@joshgerstein · Dec 25
New doc from Justice Dept shows Trump pardon of Manafort covers $31+ million in restitution and $11 million in forfeiture. https://justice.gov/file/1349071/download… Experts say he could try to recover property feds haven't already sold. Earlier: https://google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/12/23/trump-pardons-manafort-stone-kushner-





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Excellent news

Nothing but a gang of fkn crooks

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Andrew Weissman: Manafort pardon can't restore 31 million in restitution (Original Post) iluvtennis Dec 2020 OP
Weissmann is no one's fool. Grasswire2 Dec 2020 #1
What about his ostrich jacket? lame54 Dec 2020 #2
The feathers were given back to the ostrich,... magicarpet Dec 2020 #4
LOL. iluvtennis Dec 2020 #5
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! malaise Dec 2020 #9
I bought that on Ebay. It's a doormat now. Mr. Evil Dec 2020 #24
Being poor may be a bigger punishment for that scumbag. Thomas Hurt Dec 2020 #3
He'll never be poor as long as he keeps quiet. bluedigger Dec 2020 #8
Ah, but does anyone know if he actually paid up or forfeited the entire sum of $31 million? machoneman Dec 2020 #6
I have no fucks to give RainCaster Dec 2020 #7
Here is a spot-on video expressing just that feeling from Thomas Benjamin Wild Esq. (NSFW) pecosbob Dec 2020 #14
Who the fuck would wear an ostrich jacket in the first place?? JHFC. Lock him back up. Evolve Dammit Dec 2020 #10
Bjork Joelteply Dec 2020 #13
It's ostrich leather jmowreader Dec 2020 #19
Is that good? Or impressive? Not getting the attraction, unless you're an ostrich. Evolve Dammit Dec 2020 #26
Ostrich leather is really expensive for a couple of reasons jmowreader Dec 2020 #28
I consider myself informed now. Still not sure why anyone would want one, but I know. Thanks Evolve Dammit Dec 2020 #33
our badasses beat their dumbasses every time bringthePaine Dec 2020 #11
He'll be back in jail before long KS Toronado Dec 2020 #12
Are State Charges In Play? ProfessorGAC Dec 2020 #15
Not for sure about state charges, but I do remember reading here or on Palmer Report KS Toronado Dec 2020 #20
Puts me in mind of the "playing chess" analogy A_Woman_from_MI Dec 2020 #29
Welcome to DU, and Happy New Year.....Jan 20th KS Toronado Dec 2020 #31
The Postman Always Rings Twice. nt BrightKnight Dec 2020 #32
Delicious eleny Dec 2020 #17
I certainly hope so FakeNoose Dec 2020 #18
A small piece of information that is helpful. TNNurse Dec 2020 #16
Didn't he have a condo in trump tower? Lars39 Dec 2020 #21
Only $11 million was forfeited More_Cowbell Dec 2020 #22
It would seem he got whole with Deripaska. Kid Berwyn Dec 2020 #23
The two tweets in the OP are contradictory. former9thward Dec 2020 #25
Pardon says to return the property. Andrew Weismann the prosecutor for Manafort clarified iluvtennis Dec 2020 #27
The pardon nullifies the plea agreement. former9thward Dec 2020 #30

magicarpet

(14,144 posts)
4. The feathers were given back to the ostrich,...
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 05:42 PM
Dec 2020

.... too late. Besides the ostrich was kinda cold without them.

machoneman

(4,006 posts)
6. Ah, but does anyone know if he actually paid up or forfeited the entire sum of $31 million?
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 05:44 PM
Dec 2020

Any takers? Source?

jmowreader

(50,553 posts)
28. Ostrich leather is really expensive for a couple of reasons
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 09:26 PM
Dec 2020

The big attraction of the stuff is that an ostrich has these cool-looking places on its skin where the feathers come out of. The problem is it ain't easy to process an ostrich hide into leather without flattening them out, and the special tanning processes cost serious money.

Also, an ostrich is fairly small as far as leather-bearing animals go...it takes about four ostrich hides to equal one cowhide.

Ostrich leather is going to run you around $30 per square foot, if you buy a hundred hides at once. (One at a time, they're even worse.) If you're any good at all at buying leather you can get the very nicest grade of cowhide leather for about $7 per square foot.

Strange thing is, the vast majority of ostrich leather winds up as footwear, mostly cowboy boots. Some of it becomes purses...very little winds up as Manafort jackets, because it's expensive.

KS Toronado

(17,199 posts)
12. He'll be back in jail before long
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 06:31 PM
Dec 2020

He wasn't charged with everything they could have thrown at him, and the prosecutor did so foreseeing
a trumpig pardon coming his way. He's going back to jail.

KS Toronado

(17,199 posts)
20. Not for sure about state charges, but I do remember reading here or on Palmer Report
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 07:17 PM
Dec 2020

that he was not charged with everything they could have charged him with because the
prosecutor wanted to keep something in his bag of tricks in case trumpig issued a pardon.
Which came to fruition as expected. Believe roger stone might be in the same boat.

A_Woman_from_MI

(165 posts)
29. Puts me in mind of the "playing chess" analogy
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 09:39 PM
Dec 2020

Which, I know, is overused, and misunderstood by many (mostly people who don't know how to play chess:chuckle . I hope this is true, and everyone gets their just desserts. I despair for our country if we continue to refuse to hold the crooked responsible for their crimes.

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
16. A small piece of information that is helpful.
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 06:51 PM
Dec 2020

To make it seem a little less awful, those pardons are horrific.

More_Cowbell

(2,191 posts)
22. Only $11 million was forfeited
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 07:46 PM
Dec 2020

I don't see anything in Weissmann's tweet that would prelude Manafort from recovering the $31 million he paid in restitution.

I'm not saying he'll get it back: just that it looks to me like Weissmann's talking only about the forfeiture in that tweet.

former9thward

(31,981 posts)
25. The two tweets in the OP are contradictory.
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 08:19 PM
Dec 2020

One says property can't be gotten back and the other says just the opposite.

iluvtennis

(19,849 posts)
27. Pardon says to return the property. Andrew Weismann the prosecutor for Manafort clarified
Sat Dec 26, 2020, 09:25 PM
Dec 2020

to say that can't occur because plea agreement that Manafort signed said he relinquinshes the property.

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