Tue Dec 29, 2020, 06:40 AM

Soph0571 (9,685 posts)

Sedition

He should be the first, because of the position he once held and the gravitas that bestows, but certainly not the last...

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13 replies	Author	Time	Post
Sedition (Original post)	Soph0571	Dec 2020	OP
Is there a cite for this? n/t	sarge43	Dec 2020	#1
Here you go - one of many	Soph0571	Dec 2020	#2
Thank you.	sarge43	Dec 2020	#8
Absofuckingloutely!	SheltieLover	Dec 2020	#3
This shit cannot go unchecked or this country is in serious trouble. Lock him up.	Evolve Dammit	Dec 2020	#4
He called for him to be tried for inciting insurrection, not for sedition	StarfishSaver	Dec 2020	#5
Sedition is "inciting people to rebel"	Wounded Bear	Dec 2020	#10
That is the dictionary definition, not the legal definition	StarfishSaver	Dec 2020	#11
Yeah,	progressoid	Dec 2020	#6
this country is in serious trouble	lookyhereyou	Dec 2020	#7
Powell Knows	Cosmo Blues	Dec 2020	#9
They did that to Jack Reacher.	Hotler	Dec 2020	#12
Do it, do it, please do it	Blue Owl	Dec 2020	#13

Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2020, 07:28 AM

sarge43 (28,682 posts)

1. Is there a cite for this? n/t

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 29, 2020, 07:34 AM

Soph0571 (9,685 posts)

2. Here you go - one of many

https://www.rawstory.com/elections/michael-flynn/

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Response to Soph0571 (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 29, 2020, 10:11 AM

sarge43 (28,682 posts)

8. Thank you.

Yup. Any other service member publicly said that and they'd be flogged through the fleet.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2020, 08:10 AM

SheltieLover (57,073 posts)

3. Absofuckingloutely!

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2020, 09:00 AM

Evolve Dammit (14,240 posts)

4. This shit cannot go unchecked or this country is in serious trouble. Lock him up.

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Tue Dec 29, 2020, 09:14 AM

StarfishSaver (18,486 posts)

5. He called for him to be tried for inciting insurrection, not for sedition

Although many people are using the term, I was surprised to see this meme because I figured that Powell's chief of staff would understand the definition of sedition and know that, while engaging in reprehensible behavior, Flynn has not committed sedition. It turns out he didn't actually say that.

He called for Flynn to be court-martialed for incitement to insurrection, a different crime from sedition.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 29, 2020, 11:37 AM

Wounded Bear (55,423 posts)

10. Sedition is "inciting people to rebel"

se·di·tion
/səˈdiSH(?

n/
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noun
noun: sedition; plural noun: seditions

conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=sedition+definition

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #10)

Tue Dec 29, 2020, 12:05 PM

StarfishSaver (18,486 posts)

11. That is the dictionary definition, not the legal definition

And it is the legal definition that matters here where we are talking about someone being charged with a crime.

Under federal law, sedition has a very specific definition, one that doesn't apply to Flynn. It is a conspiracy to overthrow the government by force or to use force to prevent the execution of a law. 18 U.S.C. § 2384 Flynn has not engaged in force or called for the use of force, so he has not engaged in a seditious conspiracy as defined by statute.

Wilkinson clearly knows this and that's why he did not call for Flynn to be prosecuted for sedition. Instead, he said he should be court-martialed for "incitement to insurrection" under 18 U.S. Code § 2383, which is a different crime.

18 U.S. Code § 2383. Rebellion or insurrection

Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

18 U.S. Code § 2384. Seditious conspiracy

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2020, 09:34 AM

progressoid (47,966 posts)

6. Yeah,

that won't happen.

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Tue Dec 29, 2020, 10:07 AM

lookyhereyou (140 posts)

7. this country is in serious trouble

Colin Powell knows what evil lurks in the shadows.
YELLOWCAKE at the UN (dick chain )
start with flynn and go through the Entire
LYING CHEATING regime all the way to the top.
bring the light : right the ship of state.
government for the People

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Response to lookyhereyou (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 29, 2020, 11:33 AM

Cosmo Blues (1,890 posts)

9. Powell Knows

The yellow cake from Niger that he professed Saddam had acquired was bad intelligence, the lone intelligence source known as curveball lied for Dick Cheney and whatever Dick Cheney promised him, no foreign intelligence agencies believed or confirmed that. And Ambassador Wilson debunked the story

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Tue Dec 29, 2020, 12:16 PM

Hotler (10,173 posts)

12. They did that to Jack Reacher.

Recalled his ass and arrested him for murder.

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Tue Dec 29, 2020, 03:03 PM

Blue Owl (43,835 posts)

13. Do it, do it, please do it

I'm getting real sick of that fuck strutting around so seditiously...

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