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Thu Dec 31, 2020, 07:03 AM

trump is stalling the American people getting $2000 stimulus checks

If he really wanted the people to get $2K like he claims he does he would be telling McConnel to drop the two other issues to get a clean bill passed for him to sign , but he won't do it because he really doesn't want people getting it. trumps the real fraud here by doing nothing , and going golfing while crisis are hurting the American people.

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Reply trump is stalling the American people getting $2000 stimulus checks (Original post)
duforsure Dec 2020 OP
634-5789 Dec 2020 #1
DFW Dec 2020 #2
bearsfootball516 Dec 2020 #5
DFW Dec 2020 #6
joshcryer Dec 2020 #16
DFW Dec 2020 #22
joshcryer Dec 2020 #23
DFW Dec 2020 #26
bdamomma Dec 2020 #18
DFW Dec 2020 #19
bdamomma Dec 2020 #20
DFW Dec 2020 #21
Mike 03 Dec 2020 #3
Nexus2 Dec 2020 #4
duforsure Dec 2020 #7
beachbumbob Dec 2020 #8
duforsure Dec 2020 #10
beachbumbob Dec 2020 #24
KPN Dec 2020 #11
OLDMDDEM Dec 2020 #9
duforsure Dec 2020 #12
OLDMDDEM Dec 2020 #14
global1 Dec 2020 #13
duforsure Dec 2020 #15
cwydro Dec 2020 #17
Autumn Dec 2020 #25
duforsure Dec 2020 #27

Response to duforsure (Original post)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 07:06 AM

1. 21 days...tick...tick...tick

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Response to duforsure (Original post)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 07:15 AM

2. McTurtle at this point probably couldn't care less what the Donald wants

He knows how long 21 days is. He is almost certainly concentrating on how to make sure that the Georgia election goes his way, and probably gagged and suffered heart stoppage when he found out that the voting machines being used in this election are NOT Diebold or ESS.

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Response to DFW (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 07:19 AM

5. Killing the 2K stimulus would appear to hurt McConnell more than help.

If Perdue and Loeffler were able to vote yes on an overwhelmingly popular, bipartisan stimulus just a week before the election, it would be a huge win for them.

This appears to be the opposite, which is why I don't get why he's so against it. Passing the stimulus would seem to be a huge boon toward saving his majority.

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Response to bearsfootball516 (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 07:22 AM

6. He has no preferred course of action here

Damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't.

As long as he loses his status as Senate Majority Leader, I'll be damned happy.

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Response to DFW (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 10:22 AM

16. I said it from the beginning that he couldn't allow it to come to a vote.

Because it would almost certainly pass. There's too many Senators up for reelection that it would hurt if they didn't pass it.

And because he spent the entire fucking year blocking it, he had to continue to do so.

He doesn't care about his legacy, how history will look at him in regards to his patriotism or his care for the American people. Because history will regard him as the most iron willed, king of the Senate. After he's dead and gone the Republican party is going to fall into shambles. The Republican party is not long for this world because its rural divide is going to eventually be rendered irrelevant. Texas will be blue one day. It's just a matter of time.

So for him he views himself the most incredibly powerful Senator of a party that is holding it together, the last vestige of Party that has held power for over 40 years. Its final and only leader.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 11:12 AM

22. I'm not so sure the Republican party will fall into shambles

As long as there are large portions of the country than can be manipulated to feel extreme fear, jealousy and/or hate, there will be a Republican Party.

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Response to DFW (Reply #22)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 11:56 AM

23. People are leaving rural towns in droves.

And it will continue that way. If you can't get jobs in those towns, if you are locked in to the towns cronyism, you will leave it. So kids will be born, raised in these communities, and eventually move away when they can no longer tolerate the culture of rural communities.

https://theconversation.com/most-of-americas-rural-areas-are-doomed-to-decline-115343

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #23)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 12:56 PM

26. Even so

A quick trip through even Boston will prove that such attitudes are by no means limited to rural areas, and people who leave can still take their attitudes with them. A few generations may change that, but I don‘t think we can afford to sit around and wait that long.

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Response to DFW (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 10:26 AM

18. That is interesting

about the voting machines too bad we could get something on McConnell there is a question whether the voting machines they used in Kentucky were fixed for McConnell. Was it ESS?

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #18)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 11:01 AM

19. I heard it was indeed ESS in Kentucky. n/t

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Response to DFW (Reply #19)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 11:03 AM

20. Wow

this would be great if someone would investigate this, and throw McConnell out. Just a dream I guess.

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #20)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 11:07 AM

21. Probably indeed a dream.

Don't forget, ESS and Diebold went to court over ten years ago to get their machines declared to be "private property" that no one could touch without a search warrant, and they could wipe them clean the second they heard from well-placed cronies in the state government that one was applied for.

One thing I noticed--at no point did McTurtle seem in the least bit worried, no matter what the polls said. Probably because of a similar situation to that of 2004:


"We'll take care of the counting." And so they did.

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Response to duforsure (Original post)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 07:16 AM

3. I don't think ANY of the GOP wants the American people getting the 2K stimulus checks.

They just wanted to back themselves into a corner where they couldn't do it, so that then they could talk about how badly they want to do it (and how Democrats are to blame for it not passing). It's just a charade.

If the GOP wanted to issues these checks, they wouldn't put poison pills into the stand-alone bill.

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Response to duforsure (Original post)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 07:18 AM

4. Aside from possibly wanting to punish the public that 'failed' him by letting them twist in the wind

I don't think he cares much about holding up the payments, certainly not as much as the other two items they've been tied too. They're personal: a vendetta against social media, and yet another attempt to prove his Rigged! election fantasy.

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Response to duforsure (Original post)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 07:37 AM

7. trump wanted to steal the credit for the people getting 2K but got greedy wanting more

And like his refusing to sign for the $600 bill until he realized his people were starting to turn on him, he'll have it even more for not getting this 2K bill passed. It's costing them control of the Senate the longer he refuses having Mitch offer a clean bill vote. As more people get pissed he'll fold and have it cleaned up for passage, but the damage is being done now insuring a Senate control change to the Democrats because of this from trump.

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Response to duforsure (Original post)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 07:45 AM

8. $2,000 was NEVER going to happen.

 

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 08:07 AM

10. I disagree,

trump doesn't want them getting credit for it, so he's going to eventually cave, just so he can claim credit for it, away from Nancy, Chuck , and Biden. Just like he did with signing for the $600 he realized his supporters were turning on him, now this they're even more pissed , and watch his numbers tank more from this. That's why he will fold, or be blame for losing the Senate control , but also losing his revenue source, which he needs badly now.

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Response to duforsure (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 12:00 PM

24. trump KNOWS $2000 had zero chance in the Senate, he can say all he wants or not

 

there are 31 GOP votes that would make this a filibuster not going forward. Even less of a chance after Jan 20, 2021

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 08:07 AM

11. THIS. The charade being played out is two-fold:

tRump gets to look to the brain dead that he gives a shit, and Perdue/Loeffler get to show how much they care for the little people just before the election even though they don’t.

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Response to duforsure (Original post)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 08:06 AM

9. Excellent point

He is a fraud and always has been.

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Response to OLDMDDEM (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 08:10 AM

12. He needs this 2K to pass so he can grift his supporters for more

And claim America first, but really keep more from turning on him , and him losing revenue from his campaign to grift from them.

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Response to duforsure (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 08:39 AM

14. Another great point

I had not thought of that. This would work, but it looks like Moscow Mitch has something else to say about it. In the end, another $1,400 will be coming - when? who knows. There has to be a way for those checks to go ONLY to people who need it. We don't but fit in the category to get them. I wish there was a better system for this.

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Response to duforsure (Original post)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 08:23 AM

13. It Sure Knocked The Giant Security Hack Story Off The Table....

Didn't it? Could this $2k thing be a another Trump distraction?

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Response to duforsure (Original post)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 10:16 AM

15. Trump needs this to pass very soon,

Or he'll be blames for losing GA, and look like a loser, and he'll lose supporters who need the extra funds badly now, and won't be able to attend his Jan. 6th march. Lots of them can't afford to go without it.

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Response to duforsure (Original post)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 10:23 AM

17. No one is getting $2000.

No way, no how.

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Response to duforsure (Original post)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 12:06 PM

25. This shows who is the real power. And it's not Trump.

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Response to duforsure (Original post)

Thu Dec 31, 2020, 01:02 PM

27. Also trump just got the IG involved on investigating Mitch and his wife removed

Maybe Mitch was wanting that in exchange for getting the 2K check problem resolved.

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