I wish a Democratic Senator and Congressmen

[Proud liberal 80]

Would object to some of the states Trump won i.e Texas, Florida, Ohio etc.... on the grounds of voter suppression....For one, voter suppression is actually real...For two, it will show GOP hypocrisy and three it will take away some of the shine that these GOP Senators and Congressmen think that they are getting for objecting on the states that they will object to....man we never seem to be able to go tit for tat with the other side and sometimes you have to

Edit - and four, it would drive Trump mad

[blueinredohio]

1. Kentucky, for starters.

[judesedit]

2. Great idea. You are right about the voter suppression bs

How about the PO shenanigans

[Proud liberal 80]

3. Yep

I was thinking the post office angle, too

[Bev54]

4. How about Kentucky for sure

some legitimate questions about some of the counties there.

[bullimiami]

25. all of kentucky and florida, miami-dade. all need a forensic exam. i agree they should object.

[global1]

5. This Is Why Moscow Mitch Wanted To Avoid This Display In The Senate....

He knows the Repugs would be in trouble if the Dems made challenges to any of the Red State votes.

These 10 or so Senators that will challenge things on the 6th might be intimidated and back down if the Dems welcome their challenge and include the Red States.

I say 'go for it'.

[mountain grammy]

11. I think you're right about that..

[tritsofme]

6. I think that would only serve to obscure the absurdity of what Republicans are doing.

And the story would just turn into “both sides” objecting.

Nope, keep the spotlight on their looniness and contempt for democracy.

[pat_k]

7. Hear, hear!

I wish we had been less focused on defending the presidential election as some sort of example of perfection, and more focused on the voter suppression and corruption that resulted in elections that UNDERCOUNTED Biden's support.

I would LOVE to have seen investigations and reports like Conyer's What Went Wrong in Ohio. We need to be FAR more proactive in creating well documented records of suppression that could be grounds for LEGITIMATE objections, like Stephanie Tubbs Jones (RIP) and Barbara Boxer's on Jan 6, 2005.

As far as I'm concerned, we shot ourselves in the foot by failing to counter every right-wingnut claim of "fraud" with REAL examples of unlawfully purging qualified voters from the roles, under allocating resources to create intolerable long lines in urban and AA areas, and other tactics that denied far too many citizens the right to vote.

They will use their claims of massive fraud as grounds for more, and more effective, suppression tactics. We utterly failed to lay the groundwork for mounting a national battle against voter suppression.

As I posted in another thread:

We need more, and more effective, national efforts to end voter suppression tactics. Perhaps the most insidious of which is the under-allocation of resources in urban and AA areas for the sole purpose of creating long lines. Time is money, and lines are the new poll tax. We may laud the people dedicated enough to wait hours, but the fact is that far too many people just can't afford to.

The right to vote means the right to EASILY cast our ballots and have confidence our votes will be correctly counted.

The enemies of free and fair elections are well organized and powerful. We need a massive counter effort. Effective national media and fundraising. On the ground efforts in legislatures. Campaigns to expand universal mail in voting WITHOUT vote suppressing, and utterly unnecessary requirements like witnesses.

Each of us can help by pushing our leaders to act and pushing the organizations we belong to to make battling voter suppression a top priority! We can write letters to the editor condemning voter registration purges and any other tactics at work in our own states. We can awaken patriotic passion for defending our most basic right.

[diva77]

8. +1000 This!!!!!

also need to push for hand-marked paper ballots hand-counted at the precinct level with public oversight

[scarletwoman]

9. Nope, not a good idea.

First of all, why muddy the event by tossing more shit into the mix?

Our best bet is to leave this solely to the repugs and let them make asses of themselves in clear view of the country.

As another poster pointed out in this thread, adding Dem objections to the event just feeds the "both sides" narrative - something that would be absolutely counter-productive.

Far more effective would be to allow the Civil Rights division of the Biden Justice Department take on the issue of voter suppression. Congress itself could also mount their own investigations that can proceed carefully over time, instead of a rushed one-day show.

Congress can also explore what may be possible in crafting legislation to improve election processes and systems throughout the country.

Let the repugs have their dog-and-pony show on January 6. Then the Dems can get to work in a serious and sober manner going forward.

[mountain grammy]

13. Thank you voice of sanity and reason

just when I'm ready to sign on to this.. not a good idea at all.

[scarletwoman]

15. Thank you, mountain grammy.

I just really can't see what good it would do to piggy back on the repugs and try to raise serious and valid issues in a single day.

[TwilightZone]

14. Agreed.

[Nitram]

17. I agree, Scarlet. This isn't a game. There is nothing to be gained by such a move, and a great deal

to lose, include adding to the disgust many people feel about our electoral system.

[scarletwoman]

19. People already hate "Congress" - we need to focus their ire where it belongs, on the repugs.

Congressional Dems need to differentiate themselves from the repugs in order to clarify public perception.

[Proud liberal 80]

24. People have hated Congress for decades

And Dems have tried to differentiate from Republicans for decades while Republicans have had a “we don’t give a fuck” attitude for years and have been rewarded for it

[Bernardo de La Paz]

27. Exactly. Don't get in the way of your enemy when they are making a mistake

They are polarizing their own party with this nonsense. It is going to split into the Make tRump Happy Again party and the Greed Over People party.

Whether the tRumpanzees leave the Republicans or the saner Republicons leave the smoking ruins of the party that tRump takes over is not yet clear, but I think it will be the former.

[scarletwoman]

31. Thanks, I hope more folks get this.

[bucolic_frolic]

10. I'd be very surprised if an election investigation passes

Courts leave it to the states for the most part. The intent here is to tie up the process and leave Trump in office.

GOP are fighting so hard --- they must have a hellish agenda for us, and they know they don't stand a good chance of EVER getting to this point again.

[yellowdogintexas]

23. and the states delegate each county to run their own audits

No way that Texas will be flipped no matter how many investigations. A couple of tight counties might be flipped by a slim margin but Our entire ballot remained essentially static across the state.

Maybe one or two State House of Rep races might flip but it is doubtful

[demmiblue]

12. Congressperson. n/t

[TwilightZone]

16. We should do the same stupid shit they do?

No. We should address the issues within the framework of rationality and common sense. The way to address those issues isn't to make irrelevant assertions in the same manner that the GOP does.

"we never seem to be able to go tit for tat with the other side "

The other side looks like irrational jackasses. We shouldn't look to them for guidance.

[scarletwoman]

20. "The other side looks like irrational jackasses. We shouldn't look to them for guidance." Exactly!

[monkeyman1]

18. kentucky

KENTUCKY NEED'S TO INVESTIGATE MOSCOW MITCH & WIFE E.CHAO !!! 18% approval rating & win by a land slide just don't compute !!!

[yellowdogintexas]

29. I am wondering just how much polling was going on outside the Metro areas

of KY. Those folks up in Eastern KY are not going to vote for anyone they think is going to destroy the coal industry.

[Pepsidog]

21. After all that's going on you state the obvious which never entered my mind. We Dems need to start

acting more aggressively.

[Bear Creek]

22. Ohio

With all the lines of people. Makes me wonder did DeWine get in line. DeWine did the right thing at the beginning of Covid19 but caved to trump.

[Catch2.2]

26. I couldn't agree more!

The Dems need to do more! This is not the 1980s.

[Proud liberal 80]

28. Great Point

And these Republican Senators aren’t the Senators of the 80’s when they were more distinguished and bipartisan....yeah you would have a few right wing crazies, but they were drowned out by the others who respected the Senate and its prestige...these Senators have watered down the institution and its now just a glorified House of Representatives

[Bobstandard]

30. I wish: Stand up and shout, "Treason!"

Shout down the bastards, call them traitors to their faces.They deserve no comity, no respect for the “traditions of the august institution.” They deserve a taste of their own medicine. It’s not “stooping to their level,” it’s standing up for what’s right.

Let’s suppose Biden is inaugurated (not a given, even at this late date). Biden will have four tough years, years in which the great right wing echo machine will promote more seditionist ideas. He’ll be thwarted to the fullest extent of Republican’s abilities, which will remain substantial. Attacks on him and all Democrats will escalate.

In four years they’ll be back with a vengeance, with a better candidate, more money, and more desire for vengeance—against you and me.

Now is the time to make it clear that our side won’t stand for it. We have to show ourselves that we will stand and fight. Our congresspeople need to show leadership. One or two of them standing up and showing real outrage as the outrage unfolds isn’t too much to ask.

Ask yourself, if you were there, would just sit with your hands folded and take it? I wouldn’t.