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Sat Jan 9, 2021, 11:04 PM

So far I count 5 Senate GOP votes for conviction

Romney, Murkowski, Sasse, Toomey (maybe?), Collins (finally!)

Barring Trump turning into Yosemite Sam ("Yose-mite" as he would say) & running out to the front lawn with six-guns a-blazing, where do you think the additional 12 GOP votes needed to convict might come from?

Could there be a bandwagon effect, Mitch be damned?

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Reply So far I count 5 Senate GOP votes for conviction (Original post)
Lord Ludd Jan 2021 OP
PA_jen Jan 2021 #1
sandensea Jan 2021 #13
Renew Deal Jan 2021 #2
marybourg Jan 2021 #3
euphorb Jan 2021 #4
stopbush Jan 2021 #7
xmas74 Jan 2021 #11
jcgoldie Jan 2021 #9
DLCWIdem Jan 2021 #16
jcgoldie Jan 2021 #17
DLCWIdem Jan 2021 #18
pat_k Jan 2021 #19
Atticus Jan 2021 #5
stopbush Jan 2021 #6
xmas74 Jan 2021 #12
Ferrets are Cool Jan 2021 #15
badboy67 Jan 2021 #8
RockRaven Jan 2021 #10
Piratedog Jan 2021 #14
crickets Jan 2021 #20

Response to Lord Ludd (Original post)

Sat Jan 9, 2021, 11:07 PM

1. You mean Collins isn't going to give the ole "He learned a lesson" line?

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Response to PA_jen (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 9, 2021, 11:20 PM

13. Amazing. That outrage-o-meter of hers must have buried the needle.

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Response to Lord Ludd (Original post)

Sat Jan 9, 2021, 11:08 PM

2. A lot of it has to do with McConnell.

If he supports conviction, he will easily bring 20 more. I also think a lot of them don't want to vote against impeachment in this case no matter what they say verbally. McConnell might just vote to convict. Trump has put him in personal danger multiple times, especially with Covid.

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Response to Lord Ludd (Original post)

Sat Jan 9, 2021, 11:10 PM

3. Yo-semite.

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Response to Lord Ludd (Original post)

Sat Jan 9, 2021, 11:11 PM

4. We need 19 GOP votes to convict.

Until Warnock and Ossof are sworn in, there are only 48 Dems. There are 99 Senators, and 2/3 of that is 67. Also, I understand that Manchin may not be in favor of removal. In that case, we would need 20 GOP votes to convict.

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Response to euphorb (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 9, 2021, 11:15 PM

7. Not true. We need 2/3 of Senators who are present, whether that's all 100 or only 50.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #7)

Sat Jan 9, 2021, 11:17 PM

11. This.

The easiest thing to do would be to have most if the GOP stay away. That way they aren't on record for the vote so they aren't threatened as much by their constituents yet just nt showing up means they want him gone.

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Response to euphorb (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 9, 2021, 11:16 PM

9. 2/3 * 99 66

66-48=18

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 10, 2021, 12:13 AM

16. 2/3 of the senators PRESENT. Senators can be absent Say there are only 75 senato

2/3 of 75 is 50

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Response to DLCWIdem (Reply #16)

Sun Jan 10, 2021, 12:17 AM

17. I get it

Was responding to the bad math in the post above.

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #17)

Sun Jan 10, 2021, 12:19 AM

18. Sorry i pounded it.

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Response to euphorb (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 10, 2021, 12:21 AM

19. Warnock and Ossoff should be sworn by Jan 23. (Certification deadline is 1/22.)

I doubt the Senate trial will get going until they are sworn and Dem majority leader is selected and new rules for running things are in place.

With removal from office off the table, it's my understanding that the following would be the consequences of Senate conviction:

Loss of benefits under the Former Presidents Act (pension, staff and office expenses, medical care or health insurance, and Secret Service protection)

Disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust or profit under the United States. (i.e., couldn't run again)

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Response to Lord Ludd (Original post)

Sat Jan 9, 2021, 11:12 PM

5. If 20 Republicans were "in quarantine" or "ill" or otherwise "unable to attend", I think

those 5 plus 48 Democrats would be the required two thirds of "those present".

They could call it the "Red Flu".

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Response to Lord Ludd (Original post)

Sat Jan 9, 2021, 11:14 PM

6. Only need 2/3 of Senators PRESENT when the vote is cast to convict.

Mitch can tell the Rs to simply not show up for the vote. They can then claim they never voted to convict tRump. If 60 Senators are in attendance only 40 votes are needed to convict and remove.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 9, 2021, 11:18 PM

12. And that would be smart.

That's the way around it.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 10, 2021, 12:03 AM

15. You beat me to it nt

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Response to Lord Ludd (Original post)

Sat Jan 9, 2021, 11:15 PM

8. GOP: The Party of Terrorists & Democracy Usurpers

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Response to Lord Ludd (Original post)

Sat Jan 9, 2021, 11:16 PM

10. If they knew they'd be part of 20 or so, I bet ambitious shitheels like Rubio or Paul would do it...

Just to eliminate Trump from possibly running in 2024. Cruz and Hawley are just as cynically ambitious, but they got themselves tied up more directly in the incitement, so now they have to pretend it was not so bad.

The barrier is the selfish cowardice which Republican politics seems to select for in a nearly evolutionary fashion. If you approached each one with a list of 25 GrOPers and asked "would you be one of 26?" most would say yes. But say you've got 5 and ask them to be 1 of 6 and they all say no.

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Response to Lord Ludd (Original post)

Sat Jan 9, 2021, 11:52 PM

14. Burr might but Tillis will not. Mitch might actually

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Response to Lord Ludd (Original post)

Sun Jan 10, 2021, 01:51 AM

20. I believe it was Don Lemon who pointed out Friday night

that only 2/3 of the Senate members present are required to vote to convict. Constitutional scholars may disagree, and lack of sleep means I can't remember his evidence on that, but it's an interesting thought. Of course, the real problem is Mitch claiming he can't clear the calendar for any impeachment proceedings before the 19th.

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