HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » General Discussion (Forum) » Impeachment just seems wo...

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 12:35 PM

Impeachment just seems worthless

So, other than it being symbolic to show in the books that "these guys over here think he should be gone but still isn't and doesn't change anything" means that an impeachment without dismissal is pretty much worthless?


I mean, I know it will hold him accountable as being convicted and unable to hold any future office but still seems like a whole lot of solid nothing.

38 replies, 1588 views

Reply to this thread

Back to top Alert abuse

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 38 replies Author Time Post
Reply Impeachment just seems worthless (Original post)
JuJuYoshida Jan 2021 OP
MyNameGoesHere Jan 2021 #1
jcgoldie Jan 2021 #2
MurrayDelph Jan 2021 #31
Chin music Jan 2021 #3
AnyFunctioningAdult Jan 2021 #4
Mike 03 Jan 2021 #5
BusyBeingBest Jan 2021 #16
eShirl Jan 2021 #6
Laelth Jan 2021 #7
NoMoreRepugs Jan 2021 #8
Doreen Jan 2021 #9
Towlie Jan 2021 #10
samnsara Jan 2021 #11
Quixote1818 Jan 2021 #12
left-of-center2012 Jan 2021 #13
LudwigPastorius Jan 2021 #34
MineralMan Jan 2021 #14
NRaleighLiberal Jan 2021 #15
Zorro Jan 2021 #17
EndlessWire Jan 2021 #26
marybourg Jan 2021 #18
radius777 Jan 2021 #19
Cattledog Jan 2021 #20
H2O Man Jan 2021 #21
Roisin Ni Fiachra Jan 2021 #22
matt819 Jan 2021 #23
tinrobot Jan 2021 #24
Timewas Jan 2021 #25
EndlessWire Jan 2021 #27
meadowlander Jan 2021 #28
subterranean Jan 2021 #30
consider_this Jan 2021 #29
LudwigPastorius Jan 2021 #32
Celerity Jan 2021 #33
old guy Jan 2021 #35
Vinca Jan 2021 #36
OnDoutside Jan 2021 #37
yuiyoshida Jan 2021 #38

Response to JuJuYoshida (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 12:37 PM

1. Doing the right thing

Never seems useless to me.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JuJuYoshida (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 12:37 PM

2. "I know it will hold him accountable as being convicted and unable to hold any future office "

I think you sort of addressed your own concerns

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to jcgoldie (Reply #2)


Response to JuJuYoshida (Original post)


Response to JuJuYoshida (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 12:39 PM

4. The goal

Is to prevent him from running for anything again. I would say a good number of Republicans see that as a long term upside too.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JuJuYoshida (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 12:39 PM

5. I strongly disagree. Impeachment was a moral imperative IMO.

It had to be done because it's the right thing to do. It's unthinkable that an insurrection would not be punished. And it's stronger than censure. And history does matter. And getting individual politicians "on the record" matters too, and will matter in upcoming elections.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Mike 03 (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 12:52 PM

16. Right. It will always be in Congressional records and history, that the US government

passed its judgment on his evil actions. I have no idea why people keep seeing it as a temporary tactic or a political tool. THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S FOR.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JuJuYoshida (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 12:40 PM

6. It's a start.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JuJuYoshida (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 12:40 PM

7. Symbols matter. The history books matter.

The House did the right thing in condemning a President who incited a mob to storm the Capitol and attempt a violent coup.

-Laelth

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JuJuYoshida (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 12:43 PM

8. Big picture for me - it puts the moral bankruptcy of the entire RePutinican Party on display.

Once the "trial" goes to the Democratic controlled Senate and witnesses and evidence are presented in front of the entire World it will be evident that his RePutinican enablers share the blame.

So NO - this isn't worthless.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JuJuYoshida (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 12:43 PM

9. I just want it to be fixed so he can not run for anything again.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JuJuYoshida (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 12:45 PM

10. It not only affects Trump's future, it also exposes all who vote against impeachment or removal.

 


As people wake up and realize what Trump is, let the history books show who his enablers were.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JuJuYoshida (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 12:45 PM

11. trumps to be made an example for anyone trying to do this to us again...

...the impeachment makes ME feel good thats for sure...and making sure he can never run for office again is the ultimate goal i think..

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JuJuYoshida (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 12:45 PM

12. I thought the consensus as to how we would benifit was to get the GOP on record supporting Trump

or not supporting Trump, so they would have a hard time getting reelected in purple and blue districts? Especially Senators who many are elected in purple and blue areas.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JuJuYoshida (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 12:48 PM

13. There is a difference between impeachment and conviction

From what I understand if he is only impeached and not convicted he can still run for future office.

Having the Senate convict him
which in my opinion is doubtful
would prevent him from running in 2024.

If the Senate does not convict him
we will see four years of Donald Trump running for president in 2024.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 02:47 PM

34. Since Trump will be out before any trial can commence,...


and it is doubtful that 17 Republican Senators will vote to convict him, I am leaning toward skipping the trial and passing a 14th Amendment law that bans him from ever holding office again.

Since that only requires a simple majority from both houses, it will pass.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JuJuYoshida (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 12:48 PM

14. Your second paragraph IS the significance.

It is far more important than you think.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JuJuYoshida (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 12:51 PM

15. having a president with 2 impeachments solidifies him as worst ever

it is a blot, a stain, on Rs and the cult members.

Not doing it would have the weak hand to play.

Ds have to start getting tougher and not be Charlie Brown trying to kick the always moved football.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JuJuYoshida (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 12:53 PM

17. I'm all for impeaching that MFer a third time

There are still a couple of days left in his term.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to Zorro (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 01:25 PM

26. LOL! n/t

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JuJuYoshida (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 12:54 PM

18. That's life itself. A whole lot of nothing.

Should impeachment be any different?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JuJuYoshida (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 12:59 PM

19. It's about being on the correct side of history

and signaling to future wannabe dictators they will face consequences. It also will be controlled by Schumer this time so evidence can be presented, which could later be used in a court of law even if the Repubs don't convict.

This has only just begun - impeachment is the first step in bringing down the radical Right. We already see much of corporate America, Big Tech, advertisers etc starting to rightfully purge the seditionists and conspiracists from respectable society. GOP can't live without big money.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JuJuYoshida (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 01:00 PM

20. Would you consider prosecuting someone serving life

who killed a guard worthless?

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JuJuYoshida (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 01:02 PM

21. No pardons

in cases of impeachment.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JuJuYoshida (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 01:03 PM

22. He'll go down in history as the only POTUS to be impeached twice.

Schoolkids will be taught this as long as there is a United States.

Further humiliating and disgracing this ratfucking traitor is never worthless.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JuJuYoshida (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 01:09 PM

23. Sure, but. . .

The Senate doesn't get the opportunity to have a trial and convict without an impeachment.

If they don't convict, then maybe you're right re symbolism. But it still had to be done. If the president is impeached for incitement to insurrection, then there was an insurrection. Then everyone being arrested participated in one way or another, in an insurrection (in addition to all the other crimes being charged). Also, you either impeach for this kind of behavior - with or without a conviction - or you pretty much let every other wannabe dictator know that incite to insurrection is a legitimate behavior by a president who decides he wants to stay in office.

Plus, every person who did not vote for impeachment is tarred with the same brush. That may or may change things for their next election, but it still needs to be out there in the voters' minds.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JuJuYoshida (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 01:18 PM

24. It does a number of important things:

1) As you said, it makes it so he can't run for office again. Do you really want him crying foul for the next 4 years?

2) Denies him Secret Service protection. He can't profit off the government by making them stay at his hotels.

3) Denies him security briefings (that he would probably sell to the highest bidder)

4) A trial would put the facts of the matter into the spotlight. We need to expose the traitors.

5) Puts everyone in the Senate on record. That's super important for future elections.

6) Holds him accountable. If he can get away with this, anyone can.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JuJuYoshida (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 01:22 PM

25. Well

If it accomplishes nothing else it is at least an attempt to do the right thing. If he is convicted he loses his pension 100k a year, he loses his travel expense of 1 million a year,he also loses lifetime secret service protection..BUT what in my opinion will probably bother him the most is he can no longer carry the title of President and I seriously believe that will piss him off more than anything.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JuJuYoshida (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 01:32 PM

27. We might get him.

The burning question is, who in the Congress helped them? Someone did. They had info the average citizen doesn't have. So, who helped them? If a Senate trial is required to discover this, then Impeachment 2 was worth it.

They can start the Senate business when McConnell becomes Minority Leader. We have Georgia, Peaches, to thank for that.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JuJuYoshida (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 01:35 PM

28. He won't be able to run for office again.

Peace of mind... priceless.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to meadowlander (Reply #28)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 02:03 PM

30. Impeachment alone won't accomplish that.

In order for that to happen, he has to be convicted by the Senate, and the Senate then would have the option of also voting to bar him from running for office again, which only requires a simple majority.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JuJuYoshida (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 01:50 PM

29. And he may behave this last week...

and dial down the rhetoric/incitements. Case in point, he did put out that video last night. I doubt he wants to do any more things to corroborate the existing charge. Hoping that will result in less crazy from the MAGA thugs.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JuJuYoshida (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 02:33 PM

32. I don't underestimate removing Trump permanently from contention for public office.

Trump's followers are thick, granted that, but once they realize that he'll never be president again (or even an elected dogcatcher) it will help serve to put a stake in the heart of his violent personality cult.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to LudwigPastorius (Reply #32)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 02:36 PM

33. +100000000000000

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JuJuYoshida (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 02:51 PM

35. Unless there is a conviction,

it is really just a symbolic gesture. I agree it should be done but have no delusions that it will do any real good. The repub base has not and will not change because of impeachment or conviction because they don't believe the truth. I don't know what it will take to accomplish that.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JuJuYoshida (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 02:55 PM

36. I totally disagree. What's written in our history books is important.

I don't want future generations to wonder why we did nothing. If Trump happens to be convicted and can't run again, that's a bonus, but it's definitely not worthless to pursue this.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JuJuYoshida (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 04:21 PM

37. It was worth it to give people a chance to let off steam, at the very least. The Senate Trial is now

worthless because he will be out of office in a few days, and barring him from office only helps the GOP.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink


Response to JuJuYoshida (Original post)

Thu Jan 14, 2021, 09:40 PM

38. You don't have to worry, The Southern District of NEW YORK needs to speak to

Donald J. Trump regarding some RICO charges he is heavily involved with.

Reply to this post

Back to top Alert abuse Link here Permalink

Reply to this thread