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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt's funny that when I ask Republicans what Trump's accomplishments as president were,...
...they always say things like he pulled us out of the Iran nuclear deal or the Paris Agreement, as if destroying his predecessors achievements are itself achievements (they are not).
Trump didnt create a damn thing as president. All he did was destroy. He never released a replacement for the ACA, despite his promise that he would do so. He ran as a deal maker, but no important agreements were made throughout his miserable term in office, either domestically or foreign.
He couldnt even build his fucking wall. Its as if the only thing hes ever been good at in life is convincing morons that hes good at anything.
Undoubtedly the most long-lasting effect policy-wise of his presidency will be the three SC Justices that he appointed, but its not like the asshole had to do much of anything beyond picking names of people he never heard of off a list provided to him by McConnell. Anyone could have done that. He had nothing to do with McConnell stealing a SC vacancy from Obama. He had nothing to do with RBG (unfortunately) dying during his time in office. Giving him credit for these judges is an incredible stretch.
Overall, he achieved nothing as president and everything he tore down will simply be restored by Biden. Itll be like he was never president at all. Four years of potential progress for the country in multiple areas were completely wasted on this petty, vengeful, unqualified baby who wasnt even elected by the majority of the American people. What a shame.
Yonnie3
(17,431 posts)From my point of view, not a repubican's.
He allowed us to identify many white supremacists, fascists, and nazis.
mjvpi
(1,388 posts)He showed us how close our system, under the careful tutelage of the Republican Party, was/is to fascism. Can you imagine where we would be today if Trump werent a total fuckup? History is full of capable evil people.
like a bentonite clay mask, he pulled out rascists. Before--and I was investigating how to do this--it would have been a long, slow process. Now everyone sees the urgency of getting these people out of the armed services and police.
Even better, they filmed themselves doing crimes. We are getting a head start on ridding ourselves of them, or at least for as long as they can be put away.
Yonnie3
(17,431 posts)The smarter, more secretive, higher placed ones will still need seeking out.
nam78_two
(14,529 posts)soldierant
(6,847 posts)can be revealing , yes - to put it mildly. It doesn't feel like a plus when it's happening to you. If we can do something about it going forward, it will have been a plus.
Cirque du So-What
(25,927 posts)Which doesnt require much effort, yunno.
Hugin
(33,120 posts)And the libs sent him packing. So, no achievements other than hate and division.
BlueNProud
(1,048 posts)CaptainTruth
(6,588 posts)IthinkThereforeIAM
(3,076 posts)... and trying to explain any of the points made in posts above to any of them will get the deer in the headlights look. As long as the ones that were, "so perfect in junior high, always getting good grades", are upset, their day is made.
klook
(12,154 posts)When I've tried to explain to conservatives that Trump's reduction of the "death tax" does nothing for the average person, I've gotten blank stares. Before Trump's windfall for the 1%, the estate tax exemption was about 5 1/2 million bucks per person, or around $11 million per couple. I dunno about you, but that certainly was never even close to being an issue in my family. (And if it had been, what a nice problem to have, eh?)
Now the estate tax exemption is a little more than double what it was before the Treasury looters came into power. So Trump, Ryan, and McConnell's scam provides unnecessary "relief" for the top-hat-and-furs crowd but does absolutely nothing for 99% of Americans.
C_U_L8R
(44,998 posts)For a self-acclaimed builder, you'd think he would have
built something... a road, a bridge, a dog park, anything.
gab13by13
(21,304 posts)but it's hamberders.
C_U_L8R
(44,998 posts)COL Mustard
(5,897 posts)Words that will linger long after he's gone. Kind of like the men's room in a dive bar.
pazzyanne
(6,547 posts)Great minds and all that.
thucythucy
(8,045 posts)that Jackie Kennedy designed, and replaced it with.... what's that supposed to be anyway?
She also set up those enormous bloody tampons as Christmas decorations. Er, I mean, "fucking Christmas" decorations.
So there's that.
Lonestarblue
(9,971 posts)I hope Dr. Jill changes the Rose Garden back to something beautiful.
thucythucy
(8,045 posts)and "the budget."
They'll go right back to being "deficit hawks" after four years of spending like drunken sailors.
On second thought, that's offensive to drunken sailors.
MichaelSoE
(1,576 posts)The 2 leads on their mainstream megaphone (F#X N3WS)were
1.Biden cancels pipeline just as we achieved energy independence and OMG the amount of jobs that will be lost
2.His plans are going to explode the deficit and OMG where are we going to get the money
FUCK THEM
bdamomma
(63,836 posts)from the 1% bastards.
Ligyron
(7,627 posts)How the average GOP voter and Trumpster can be okay with the 1% paying so little percentage wise of their income is beyond me. Since they represent such a small percent of the population you'd think in a democracy they'd instead be forced to pay for all the things sorely needed cause we're the majority and they'd still have tons of money left over, more than they could ever send in 3 lifetimes, yet...
Just another one of those things that make ya go huh?
fifthoffive
(382 posts)I kept looking for the mausoleums.
Chainfire
(17,530 posts)Their first reply is "the great economy." When confronted with statistics, they move on to, guns, or their hate of Hillary.....
luvtheGWN
(1,336 posts)"He allowed me to say what I really think".
He brought out the racism, misogyny and immorality that lives in the hearts of far too many. He allowed people to speak their hate.
Chainfire
(17,530 posts)The basic underlying them to the modern conservative Republican is racism, based upon fear, and expressed through hatefulness.
A allegorical comparison to many undereducated angry white men, may come from one of the final scenes in The Wizard Of Oz where the Wicked witch, in an effort to totally destroy what she sees as the enemies of evil has been doused with water and is beginning to melt. She she is dying, and her beautiful wickedness is dying with her. White men, so long taught to believe that we are superior beings, entitled to rule the world are melting into the past and it is just too hard for them to accept without a fight.
In the end, the most powerful being of the realm and her supporting army, are brought down by a frail little girl, a scarecrow, a tin man and a cowardly lion. The witch would have referred to them as "sheeple."
Marcuse
(7,479 posts)DBoon
(22,356 posts)Really, they do
scarytomcat
(1,706 posts)Obama got us going again over the cries of the rethugs
gibraltar72
(7,503 posts)sop
(10,156 posts)Funny how none of Trump's followers mention draining the swamp, bringing back coal mining or manufacturing jobs, or winning the trade war with China these days.
moose65
(3,166 posts)I've seen one such list posted by a friend-of-a-friend. It's a list compiled by Hannity (Blechhhhh) and it lists things that I wouldn't really call "accomplishments." One of them is the appointment of the SC justices, but that's really not an accomplishment in the true sense of the word. Trump didn't do anything except pick names off of a list. Other things like "putting America first" are so abstract that it could never be seen as an accomplishment.
The one and only concrete legislative thing that Trump signed was the massive tax cut for the wealthy. That should tell us all we need to know about Republican priorities.
COL Mustard
(5,897 posts)Will undo that "Tax Cut" soon. It was targeted at Blue states from the get-go and needs to be repealed.
Klaralven
(7,510 posts)The court appointments and tax bills are mainly the work of McConnell and Ryan.
The number of refugee immigrants admitted has been cut significantly, and I'd think the same is true of undocumented arrivals. The number of legal immigrants has been pretty constant.
Trump has disengaged the US from international commitments like the Paris Accords, weakened NATO ties, reduced troop levels in the Middle east, etc. This has been fairly popular. There is a significant part of the electorate that dislikes sacrificing the interests of the US citizens in order to maintain US as the "leader of the Free World", "sole superpower", etc. The days are over for JFK's "Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty." A more multi-lateral approach will be needed.
Lonestarblue
(9,971 posts)If he has managed to splinter the Republican Party, causing a rift that results in both decreased alignment of new voters with Republicans and the formation of a new right of right-wing party that splits the Republican vote, Ill consider that an accomplishment.
mjvpi
(1,388 posts)Cozmo
(1,402 posts)CousinIT
(9,239 posts)...and the goddamned evangelicals control the USSC and have their sicko, unqualified judges installed nationwide.
That's what.
Much of America can not get decent affordable healthcare, we still have a raging pandemic that they bungled due to their indifference to the massive deaths it caused and grifting methods of personally profiting from it, our public education system remains destroyed (that resulted in Trump), we have massive wealth and income inequality, min wage at even $15 is abysmal, we are still one of the worst polluters on the planet in the face of devastating climate change, and now are pariahs of the civilized, Democratic nations on Earth. And so on...
But the motherfucking corprats like Amazon, Exxon-Mobil, Bank of America, the Koch Bros, and WalMart and the asshole American Taliban (evangelicals) got what THEY want and that's all that matters to Republicans. I've heard them: "he lowered taxes and got rid of regulations!"
Pfft.
mjvpi
(1,388 posts)TurboDem
(214 posts)showing us what it's like to serve as a bad example.
Roc2020
(1,615 posts)3825-87867
(843 posts)"The Wall"was THE distraction.
While the Deplorables, and others (are you listening media?) were transfixed on the wall for 4 years, he was dismantling everything else and lining his, his family's and his other ilk's pockets.
And there were some of those on the left taken in by that distraction, also.
ProfessorGAC
(64,995 posts)Hand twitches to make everyone look at that hand while the trick takes place in the other hand.
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,783 posts)LIES, SCANDALS, 2 IMPEACHMENTS.
That is how Trump will be remembered.
scarytomcat
(1,706 posts)had a new show every day. He was the news every day, every day. Every day he had some new outrage to send us off. What a show it was. Now we will have his new show. The legal show, the run for your life show, the pity me show or the great job show and all will remain the same unless it is the new orange show.
CaptainTruth
(6,588 posts)Aviation Pro
(12,150 posts)China won the trade war.
AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)cancelled out by him trying to then exploit those weaknesses and destroy democracy. But he didnt succeed. If we can strengthen those weak spots in the years ahead, our democracy would become stronger. And only then I would say something positive about trump.
Escurumbele
(3,386 posts)I will explain.
Can you imagine if a Democratic president had Melania as a wife? A woman who posed nude, a foreigner, a liar who doesn't really speak five languages, a plagiarist who gave Michelle Obama's speech as her own, someone who may have come from the Epstein camp, etc., etc....Every time I start listing negatives about the trumps I end up with etc., etc...there are so many...
Anyway, imagine a Democratic president with a wife like that...Just imagine the uproar of republicans, who I have to assume would even call her a whore because republicans have no class and their hate is usually greater than their ethics, that is when they have ethics.
Sooo...the decency of Democrats to never do or make any derogatory comments about Melania (which would have been well earned), that is decency, and something that in my view has gone unnoticed.
Cozmo
(1,402 posts)Does she let her little boy Barron talk that way?
wally baby
(17 posts)the anchor baby and the chain migration of her parents.
fwvinson
(488 posts)Hard to dispute facts.
Paladin
(28,252 posts)Any one of them would have been a better president than trump. I can assure you that I would have been a vast improvement.
fwvinson
(488 posts)IthinkThereforeIAM
(3,076 posts)... hear, hear!
stopwastingmymoney
(2,041 posts)I understand Economics
keithbvadu2
(36,775 posts)As a personal best, Trump killed about 400,000 Americans with his Trump Virus.
Kimber432
(74 posts)those he killed with the cutbacks in the ACA. There was no accounting for them, sadly.
panfluteman
(2,065 posts)Trump did more for Putin and Russia than any other president. Biden correctly said that Trump's whole presidency has been one big gift to Putin. Trump wrecked our alliances and greatly lowered the standing of the US on the world stage. Unfortunately, these may be the most lasting legacies of Trump. Don't watch what Trump says, says Rachel Maddow, but watch what he does... and more often than not, what he did wound up helping Putin and Russia. Golly gee, funny how that all works out!
I think that Trump is still bucking for that Trump Tower deal in Moscow. But now, his brand is so toxic that Putin might just wind up saying one big "Nyet!"
NoMoreRepugs
(9,412 posts)be ever vigilant from this point on.
Lokee11
(235 posts)I asked you what its accomplishments were, not for you to list some of its many fuck-ups!
FDT!
Cozmo
(1,402 posts)His actions have always brought me to tears. He has no soul. I love Joe!
mgardener
(1,816 posts)And the pull back of troops.
And the tax cut that benefit the wealthy.
nature-lover
(1,469 posts)Ignore history and don't teach it to our children.
fwvinson
(488 posts)nature-lover
(1,469 posts)Roisin Ni Fiachra
(2,574 posts)Ingersollman
(204 posts)so true. Now we need to stay that way. Never let the right back into power. We know now without a doubt what they really are: Nazis.
IronLionZion
(45,427 posts)while he and the GOP chose a deliberate "do nothing approach" and blocked local efforts to slow the spread of the virus.
He has destroyed people's lives, and trust in American institutions, trust in government, trust in each other. This is a much more deeply divided country than when he took office. Asshole.
I didn't need to have armed soldiers patrolling my city before this POS took office.
samnsara
(17,616 posts)jaxexpat
(6,818 posts)And worse, they've featured an unparalleled march backward. They will never be regained.
But that's to be expected when the executive is selected by a minority of voters.
karynnj
(59,501 posts)I don't remember any speech by any departing President - one term or two term. It is likely all had some, at least brief words of thanks to their administration as they quietly left after a dignified appearance at the transition of power. It is almost by definition a time calling for graciousness and acknowledgment of the power of our democracy.
As to the list, there are some things he can claim - that resonate at least with his base:
- He did nominate and get 3 Supreme Court Justices and an enormous number of lower judges, many not qualified and almost all of whom will put their thumbs on the scale of justice on the side of corporate and conservative interests. As you said, this was more McConnell and ANY Republican President would have been able to do the same.
- He will claim that he (and Jared) created peace between Israel and a few Arab states - that were not at war. It is true that the US brokered trade agreements - giving weapons to Arab countries and recognizing the annexation of Western Sahara which has been occupied by Morocco since the 1970s. A bigger problem is that it made a genuine 2 state solution even less likely. It also was what Netanyahu had wanted for years.
- As to the economy, it is NOT TRUE that when covid struck, it was the strongest economy ever. In fact, the economy was already slipping into recession, which was then aggravated by covid. It is true that before that the economy was growing, it was mainly fueled by his inequitable unsustainable tax cuts.
- He NEVER improved any infrastructure - something badly needed.
- His point that he reduced regulations really should be stated as he allowed dirtier air and water and unsafe practices at companies that employed a huge number of powerless employees.
Jonathan Chait has a New York Magazine article that speaks of how much of Obama's legacy still exists or will once Biden is in office. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/01/trump-wanted-to-erase-obamas-legacy-he-failed.html It is really worth reading and made me more optimistic. On some issues, I was surprised that the budget (yeah I know it starts in the House) contained many things that ally with Biden's goals. The key takeaway is that Obama's legacy is real and will hold. He really did save the economy, build ACA, which survived, and the Paris Accord did not fall apart when Trump left.
On climate change, it is easier for Biden to rejoin than it was to create an agreement that has something like 190 countries agreeing to. For Biden, and much tougher task to push the needed more aggressive goals. - It seems his plan is that we need to step up ourselves, which Gina McCarthy et al are eager to start doing and he has John Kerry to lead the international push on this.
aggiesal
(8,911 posts)I'm still trying to figure out if this was actually a good thing or a bad thing.
Plus & Minuses for both.
karynnj
(59,501 posts)making a two state solution more likely. As it is, it was for nothing -- other than Trump's popularity.
keithbvadu2
(36,775 posts)Trump confuses his supporters. We like Jews now?
BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)He couldnt even build his fucking wall. Its as if the only thing hes ever been good at in life is convincing morons that hes good at anything.
calimary
(81,220 posts)McConnell may not have filled them all.
Towlie
(5,324 posts)
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I think people who lost loved ones to COVID-19, and those who recovered but with life-long disabilities, are among those who will agree.
ooky
(8,922 posts)except bad things. Ran up the debt playing golf. We'll save a lot of money on golf when he's gone.
I guess Biden will have to end the trade wars Trump started and never finished.
Roc2020
(1,615 posts)He destroyed his. Obama's Presidency accomplishments plus his VP now President will live on. Trump's legacy is Death and Hate.
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)... to create a new multi polar world order. Where China is more powerful, Russia isn't afraid to bite, and Europe figures out things on its own. According to her, China was winning without fighting, America was fighting without winning.
Jay25
(417 posts)patphil
(6,169 posts)We can only hope we have rescued the Republic in time to save it.
spooky3
(34,438 posts)good things. Fortunately Biden can issue his own and while this won't fully reverse the damage, it's a start.
Wolverine16
(3 posts)From a conservative view, many of them are happy about deregulation, lack of filling administration postions, approval of large numbers of judges and the big one would be tax cut. Outside of the prison reform bill, I don't agree that any of the rest is positive, especially the massive debt caused by the tax cut, but those are the maon ones citdd by his suporters.
klook
(12,154 posts)Welcome to DU! I don't mean to pick on a newcomer, but I feel it's important to point out that The First Step Act -- and the Trump Administration's criminal justice policies -- are at best an extremely mixed bag.
Biden vs. Trump: Whos the Actual Criminal Justice Reformer? - Politico, 4/23/2020
https://www.politico.com/interactives/2020/justice-reform-biden-trump-candidate-policy-positions/
Trump Just Bragged About Criminal Justice Reform. Look Closer at How His Administration Is Undoing It. - Mother Jones, 2/4/2020
Yes, its true that Trumpthe same man who recommended heavier enforcement of stop and frisk policing, and whose administration brought back the federal death penalty and fueled the expansion of private prisonssigned a much-heralded bill in 2018 to reform the federal criminal justice system, with broad bipartisan support. The First Step Act made changes that have reduced the federal prison population, and it was the first criminal justice reform bill to pass Congress in a generation. So far, the law has shortened the prison stays of about 2,500 people who were serving disproportionately long sentences for crack cocaine offenses, most of them African American. It has also let more than 3,000 people go home early because of their good behavior during incarceration. And it could lead to improvements in prison conditions.
But as Trump claims credit for freeing people from prison, theres one very big problem that hes not mentioning: His Justice Department is actively pushing to send some of these same people back behind bars, and to prevent others from reducing their sentenceswhich greatly limits who can benefit from the law that Trump has touted as one of his signature achievements.
Oh, yes, this too: Trump administration has executed more Americans than all states combined, report finds - The Guardian, 12/16/2020
The Trump administration ultimately executed 13 prisoners, most recently Dustin Higgs.
Lil Mushakan
(19 posts)Here here.
That is all I have to say. This was well said and I think is exactly my feelings towards this joke of a President.
Catherine Vincent
(34,488 posts)Some say we were divided before but I disagree. We were all just more partisan. When Trump came along, he woke up the hateful right wing fraction in the US.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)celebrity instead of an isolated dictator shunned by most of the world.
StClone
(11,683 posts)Trump was appallingly bewilderingly corrupt.
With schools shutdown, people working from home, people out of work, people isolating, they were forced to find avenues of solace in many ways and places. One avenue was keeping informed via the many online source of information. Some went deeper into the toxic QAnon morass of conspiracies.
Others, many in fact, were for the first time in their lives FORCED by circumstance of shutdown boredom to read then understand that they can no longer take the world of "politics," voting, and beliefs for granted. They realized, maybe for the first time, THEY were the force of change. Trump was the very embodiment, the distillation, of all that was wrong and so they protested, they got involved, they voted. As a result, things may change for the better big time.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,563 posts)mdbl
(4,973 posts)Arne
(2,009 posts)If a single Executive order could be written that nullifies the ex presidents signature,
you know because he will be a convicted traitor and all.
Take all of his accomplishments, put a big X thru them, and file them in the circular file.
Maeve
(42,279 posts)To infinity and beyond!
Mr.Bill
(24,282 posts)equate roughly to what a chimpanzee could have done.
LudwigPastorius
(9,137 posts)The fact that 70 million people, not only can't see through this, but are willing to believe what he says despite ALL evidence to the contrary is depressing.
The fact that some of those 70 million are willing to commit violence, get arrested, and in some cases die for Trump is shocking and deeply disturbing.
Maru Kitteh
(28,339 posts)Brother Mythos
(1,442 posts)when I've challenged them by asking, "What, exactly, has Trump done for the country?" all I've ever received by way of an answer is silence and a blank stare. Never once have I received a coherent, verbal response.
BainsBane
(53,031 posts)is all they can say. Then when you ask how, they have nothing.
mdbl
(4,973 posts)JPK
(651 posts)He told me he was a Reagan Republican,(whatever that means), and that he didn't like Trump but liked some of his policies. I asked him what policies were they? He said it would take all day to talk about them. Obviously he had no idea what to say. Too bad, he's a very good friend of thirty years.
LudwigPastorius
(9,137 posts)-Someone who backs an obviously cognitively-impaired president over the Constitution and at the expense of the national security of the country
Yep, definition checks out.
Nitram
(22,791 posts)liberal progress as an accomplishment to be proud of. Stacking the Supreme court with unqualified right wing activists is supposed to be a win for conservatism.
drmeow
(5,017 posts)It is a disgrace and a reflection of the evil of the Republican party.
PatrickforO
(14,570 posts)I can remember how furious I was when the Republicans apologized publicly to Netanyahu for the Iran deal. Think about that a minute.
That was PURE racism. Because my understanding of the Iran deal is they allowed us some oversight to prevent them from developing nukes in return for sanction relief.
It was, I think, the first time I used the word 'treason' in relation to Republicans in Congress.
But you're right - by pulling us out, Trump just made it possible for Iran to go back to development of nukes.
And Paris? There was NO reason, NONE, for Trump to pull us out of this, except just being a dick. The Paris accords were one of O's big accomplishments. One of many.
But, back again to the racists at Fox, Breitbart, Red State and of course let's not forget AM right-wing hate-talk radio. These people have perpetuated the lie that we can either have big oil and all the attendant spills and carbon pollution OR jobs, but not both. That is just a lie. As we transition to renewables, a greater number of jobs will be created than will be lost.
We have to get rid of the white supremacy, the racism, the dog-whistles. It is killing the republic.
progree
(10,901 posts)-- the AHCA and the BCRA in early 2017. Which Trump actively supported.
Problem: they were awful
This Wikipedia articles covers both the AHCA (American Health Care Act) and the BCRA (Better Care Reconciliation Act)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Health_Care_Act_of_2017
H.R. 1628, American Health Care Act of 2017, Cost Estimate, CBO, 5/24/17
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52752
would increase the number of people who are uninsured by 23 million in 2026 relative to current law.
H.R. 1628, Better Care Reconciliation Act of 2017, Cost Estimate, CBO, 6/26/17
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52849
A little bit better: leaving 22 million uninsured in 2026 relative to current law.
Both can only be described as acts of American Genocide.
Edited to add: thankfully, it failed by a 49-51 vote in the Senate.
mia
(8,360 posts)He transferred the emphasis from Russia to China. Less warfare in the Middle East.
Not exactly an accomplishment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Cold_War
iluvtennis
(19,849 posts)tax cuts, for average everyday people there was nothing.
Blue Owl
(50,349 posts)Response to BlueStater (Original post)
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torius
(1,652 posts)and the Presidency.
Aussie105
(5,380 posts)of his incompetence.
superheadshot19997
(16 posts)and in one term too
Aussie105
(5,380 posts)It's all . . .
What is Trump thinking?
What is Trump going to do?
Let's think of all the positives of the last 4 years!
Who, really, really cares? Media, grow up!
. . . none of them have said what I'm thinking:
INCOMPETENCE has it's own rewards, and Trump has both of that in spades.
Of course, he leaves a trail of chaos and destructive destabilization behind.
STOP FEEDING THAT, MEDIA!
Trump: Just . . . go away!
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)In front of their screaming cubs
C Moon
(12,212 posts)C'mon!
He's THE fucking worst person to sit in our White House and pretending to be president, EVER!no one could create a fictional character worse than Trump.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,853 posts)He turned historical satire into reality.
So many times that DU posters struggled to differentiate a parody from what Trump's administration actually said or did.
Godneverwroteabook
(4 posts)"Its as if the only thing hes ever been good at in life is convincing morons that hes good at anything."
malaise
(268,930 posts)He created chaos and he facilitated the greatest loss of American lives in memory