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BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 10:33 AM Jan 2021

It's funny that when I ask Republicans what Trump's accomplishments as president were,...

...they always say things like he pulled us out of the Iran nuclear deal or the Paris Agreement, as if destroying his predecessor’s achievements are itself achievements (they are not).

Trump didn’t create a damn thing as president. All he did was destroy. He never released a replacement for the ACA, despite his promise that he would do so. He ran as a “deal maker”, but no important agreements were made throughout his miserable term in office, either domestically or foreign.

He couldn’t even build his fucking wall. It’s as if the only thing he’s ever been good at in life is convincing morons that he’s good at anything.

Undoubtedly the most long-lasting effect policy-wise of his presidency will be the three SC Justices that he appointed, but it’s not like the asshole had to do much of anything beyond picking names of people he never heard of off a list provided to him by McConnell. Anyone could have done that. He had nothing to do with McConnell stealing a SC vacancy from Obama. He had nothing to do with RBG (unfortunately) dying during his time in office. Giving him credit for these judges is an incredible stretch.

Overall, he achieved nothing as president and everything he tore down will simply be restored by Biden. It’ll be like he was never president at all. Four years of potential progress for the country in multiple areas were completely wasted on this petty, vengeful, unqualified baby who wasn’t even elected by the majority of the American people. What a shame.

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It's funny that when I ask Republicans what Trump's accomplishments as president were,... (Original Post) BlueStater Jan 2021 OP
Positives, maybe ?? Yonnie3 Jan 2021 #1
I had similar thoughts. mjvpi Jan 2021 #32
yes NJCher Jan 2021 #50
Unfortuately, it was the gullible and ignorant ones that appeared for the most part. Yonnie3 Jan 2021 #73
Indeed.nt nam78_two Jan 2021 #104
Being stripped naked in public soldierant Jan 2021 #98
Yep. His biggest accomplishment will be recorded as fooling dumbasses. Cirque du So-What Jan 2021 #2
They got what they thought they wanted in 'Owning the libs'... Hugin Jan 2021 #3
Non stop Culture War and Owning the Libs are the only GOP agenda. BlueNProud Jan 2021 #19
They still want to "own" people. Tells you a lot. CaptainTruth Jan 2021 #22
Yep, they think it is funny that someone, "smarter than they are", is upset at the destruction... IthinkThereforeIAM Jan 2021 #71
I'm familiar with that deer-in-the-headlights look klook Jan 2021 #84
He tweeted, he golfed, he ate hamburgers C_U_L8R Jan 2021 #4
I hate to be a nerd and correct spelling, gab13by13 Jan 2021 #8
Damn autospell. It don't speak Trump. C_U_L8R Jan 2021 #11
And Cofveve COL Mustard Jan 2021 #13
Beat me to it! pazzyanne Jan 2021 #44
His wife did rip up the Rose Garden thucythucy Jan 2021 #10
And remember the dystopian red Christmas trees? Lonestarblue Jan 2021 #12
If she does, wait for the GOP to whine about "the expense" thucythucy Jan 2021 #15
they already have their propaganda machine working on it MichaelSoE Jan 2021 #54
get the money bdamomma Jan 2021 #58
100% right. Ligyron Jan 2021 #103
Melania's rose garden looks like cemetery. fifthoffive Jan 2021 #95
I have had discussions with them on this subject Chainfire Jan 2021 #5
I think what they'd really like to say is this: luvtheGWN Jan 2021 #48
And I think you have hit the nail on the head. Chainfire Jan 2021 #49
Democrat Trump saw a racist populist parade and jumped in front of it. Marcuse Jan 2021 #62
These are the people who think the stock market declined under Obama DBoon Jan 2021 #100
yes they look puzzled when it is pointed out that bush was pres scarytomcat Jan 2021 #117
I get things he said he did. Not things he actually did as answers. gibraltar72 Jan 2021 #6
Only wealthy Republican donors can point to tax cuts and deregulation as "accomplishments." sop Jan 2021 #7
It's a very short list moose65 Jan 2021 #9
I Hope This New Administration And Congress COL Mustard Jan 2021 #14
The Supreme Court appointment and tax reductions are not really Trump achievements Klaralven Jan 2021 #25
I would add another possible accomplishment that has not come to fruition yet. Lonestarblue Jan 2021 #16
Secret Agent Chaos mjvpi Jan 2021 #36
You make a good point Cozmo Jan 2021 #41
Corporate owners of our gov't got what they wanted: lower or no taxes, decreased regulation... CousinIT Jan 2021 #17
Exactly. They used the clown. Only after he lost did any daylight appear between them and Trump. mjvpi Jan 2021 #40
His greatest accomplishment, in my opinion, is TurboDem Jan 2021 #18
Absolutely. Roc2020 Jan 2021 #60
P.T. Barnum was right! 3825-87867 Jan 2021 #20
Like A Magic Trick ProfessorGAC Jan 2021 #88
4 years of Digressive Destruction. ProudMNDemocrat Jan 2021 #21
It was a reality show, he even wore make-up and he scarytomcat Jan 2021 #118
Remember his "secret plan to defeat ISIS in 30 days"? I'm still waiting. CaptainTruth Jan 2021 #23
They always point to China, but, oops Aviation Pro Jan 2021 #24
He shined the light on every weakness in our democracy AlexSFCA Jan 2021 #26
One thing that goes unnoticed is the ethical behaviour of Democrats these past four years Escurumbele Jan 2021 #27
Remember when Melanoma defended tRump's pussy comment with "just boy talk"? Cozmo Jan 2021 #39
Don't forget wally baby Jan 2021 #43
I'm what I call an Ultra Liberal. I call her a Russian Whore. fwvinson Jan 2021 #77
Pick 5 DU members, out of thin air. Paladin Jan 2021 #28
My dog would be a far better president than tDumpf fwvinson Jan 2021 #78
I will second that motion... IthinkThereforeIAM Jan 2021 #82
Yep, me too stopwastingmymoney Jan 2021 #107
As a personal best, Trump killed about 400,000 Americans with his Trump Virus. keithbvadu2 Jan 2021 #29
So very true! Not to mention Kimber432 Jan 2021 #51
And Let's Not Forget Everything Trump Did for Putin and Mother Russia... panfluteman Jan 2021 #30
His greatest accomplishment might be that the wakeup call to Fascism sounded long and loud. We will NoMoreRepugs Jan 2021 #31
I think I would have replied - Lokee11 Jan 2021 #33
For me, his cruelty and greed were what made this president (haha) the worst Cozmo Jan 2021 #34
Well, they would point to the Abraham accord mgardener Jan 2021 #35
His greatest accomplishment was convincing the young and less educated that Russia is our friend. nature-lover Jan 2021 #37
I think we should punish Putin deeply, now. fwvinson Jan 2021 #79
Biden won't go easy on him. Those days are over! nature-lover Jan 2021 #85
He united most of the left. Roisin Ni Fiachra Jan 2021 #38
True Ingersollman Jan 2021 #45
400,000+ Americans died on his watch IronLionZion Jan 2021 #42
so he just broke shit and had a tantrum... samnsara Jan 2021 #46
12 of the 20 years expired in this century have been squandered. jaxexpat Jan 2021 #47
That his last statement will likely be his list of his accomplishments is telling in and of itself karynnj Jan 2021 #52
On your Mid-East point, Pendejo45 also put the US Embassy in Jerusalem ... aggiesal Jan 2021 #81
I see it as negative as it was a "carrot" the US could have granted to Israel in return for karynnj Jan 2021 #90
Trump confuses his supporters. keithbvadu2 Jan 2021 #112
This sums it up for me: BigBearJohn Jan 2021 #53
Schumer better start engineering court-packing on OUR side. calimary Jan 2021 #55
No, it won't "be like he was never president at all." It will NEVER be like that. Towlie Jan 2021 #56
He did absolutely nothing ooky Jan 2021 #57
Trump wanted to destroy Obama's legacy Roc2020 Jan 2021 #59
One Indian's opinion was that Trump's accomplishment was... mwooldri Jan 2021 #61
You just about covered his 4 years. Jay25 Jan 2021 #63
As Rick Wilson book title says, "Everything Trump Touches Dies". patphil Jan 2021 #64
He signed a lot of executive orders, damaging environmental protection, civil rights, and many other spooky3 Jan 2021 #65
Only really good thing was signing the prison reform bill. Wolverine16 Jan 2021 #66
Reality check - "Biden vs. Trump: Who's the Actual Criminal Justice Reformer?" klook Jan 2021 #86
I... uh... Lil Mushakan Jan 2021 #67
The only thing he achieved was that he divided us Catherine Vincent Jan 2021 #68
Better yet they say he was first president to speak to Kim Jung Un. Trump made him a Pepsidog Jan 2021 #69
Why I think Trump during Covid-19 pandemic was important StClone Jan 2021 #70
"Ya know what he did? He owned the libtards! That's good enough for me." BobTheSubgenius Jan 2021 #72
They are just that dumb mdbl Jan 2021 #120
Keep hoping there is a simple solution to Trump. Arne Jan 2021 #74
The thread is this long and no one has mentioned the Space Farce, er Force? Maeve Jan 2021 #75
His accomplishments over the last four years Mr.Bill Jan 2021 #76
He's always been a con man and a bullshitter. LudwigPastorius Jan 2021 #80
SPACE FORCE! Maru Kitteh Jan 2021 #83
I've often been told by MAGAts that, "Trump has done so much for the country." But, ... Brother Mythos Jan 2021 #87
Make America Great Again BainsBane Jan 2021 #89
well stated! mdbl Jan 2021 #91
I asked a similar question of a friend of mine. JPK Jan 2021 #92
"A Reagan Republican..." LudwigPastorius Jan 2021 #102
Trump's supporters, like the people that broke into the Capitol and vandalized it, see undoing Nitram Jan 2021 #93
It is more than a shame drmeow Jan 2021 #94
You know what's bad, though, is these people think Iran and Paris were bad deals. PatrickforO Jan 2021 #96
Well he might not have personally released a healthcare plan, but Republican congresspeople did progree Jan 2021 #97
The New Cold War mia Jan 2021 #99
they can't assert any accomplishments because there aren't any. For the wealthy and corporations was iluvtennis Jan 2021 #101
They got nuthin'... just like always... Blue Owl Jan 2021 #105
This message was self-deleted by its author nam78_two Jan 2021 #106
He got us the House, the Senate, torius Jan 2021 #108
A suitable consequence Aussie105 Jan 2021 #110
woohoo superheadshot19997 Jan 2021 #119
I really hate the Media right now. Aussie105 Jan 2021 #109
He legalized killing hibernating mother bears in their dens alphafemale Jan 2021 #111
And I don't get (from the left media) "one of the worst presidents." C Moon Jan 2021 #113
Agreed. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2021 #114
Money Shot Godneverwroteabook Jan 2021 #115
I disagree malaise Jan 2021 #116

Yonnie3

(17,431 posts)
1. Positives, maybe ??
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 10:39 AM
Jan 2021

From my point of view, not a repubican's.

He allowed us to identify many white supremacists, fascists, and nazis.

mjvpi

(1,388 posts)
32. I had similar thoughts.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 11:31 AM
Jan 2021

He showed us how close our system, under the careful tutelage of the Republican Party, was/is to fascism. Can you imagine where we would be today if Trump weren’t a total fuckup? History is full of capable evil people.

NJCher

(35,654 posts)
50. yes
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 12:07 PM
Jan 2021

like a bentonite clay mask, he pulled out rascists. Before--and I was investigating how to do this--it would have been a long, slow process. Now everyone sees the urgency of getting these people out of the armed services and police.

Even better, they filmed themselves doing crimes. We are getting a head start on ridding ourselves of them, or at least for as long as they can be put away.

Yonnie3

(17,431 posts)
73. Unfortuately, it was the gullible and ignorant ones that appeared for the most part.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 01:07 PM
Jan 2021

The smarter, more secretive, higher placed ones will still need seeking out.

soldierant

(6,847 posts)
98. Being stripped naked in public
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 04:59 PM
Jan 2021

can be revealing , yes - to put it mildly. It doesn't feel like a plus when it's happening to you. If we can do something about it going forward, it will have been a plus.

Cirque du So-What

(25,927 posts)
2. Yep. His biggest accomplishment will be recorded as fooling dumbasses.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 10:39 AM
Jan 2021

Which doesn’t require much effort, yunno.

Hugin

(33,120 posts)
3. They got what they thought they wanted in 'Owning the libs'...
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 10:41 AM
Jan 2021

And the libs sent him packing. So, no achievements other than hate and division.

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,076 posts)
71. Yep, they think it is funny that someone, "smarter than they are", is upset at the destruction...
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 01:04 PM
Jan 2021

... and trying to explain any of the points made in posts above to any of them will get the deer in the headlights look. As long as the ones that were, "so perfect in junior high, always getting good grades", are upset, their day is made.

klook

(12,154 posts)
84. I'm familiar with that deer-in-the-headlights look
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 01:53 PM
Jan 2021

When I've tried to explain to conservatives that Trump's reduction of the "death tax" does nothing for the average person, I've gotten blank stares. Before Trump's windfall for the 1%, the estate tax exemption was about 5 1/2 million bucks per person, or around $11 million per couple. I dunno about you, but that certainly was never even close to being an issue in my family. (And if it had been, what a nice problem to have, eh?)

Now the estate tax exemption is a little more than double what it was before the Treasury looters came into power. So Trump, Ryan, and McConnell's scam provides unnecessary "relief" for the top-hat-and-furs crowd but does absolutely nothing for 99% of Americans.

C_U_L8R

(44,998 posts)
4. He tweeted, he golfed, he ate hamburgers
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 10:42 AM
Jan 2021

For a self-acclaimed builder, you'd think he would have
built something... a road, a bridge, a dog park, anything.

thucythucy

(8,045 posts)
10. His wife did rip up the Rose Garden
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 10:53 AM
Jan 2021

that Jackie Kennedy designed, and replaced it with.... what's that supposed to be anyway?

She also set up those enormous bloody tampons as Christmas decorations. Er, I mean, "fucking Christmas" decorations.

So there's that.

Lonestarblue

(9,971 posts)
12. And remember the dystopian red Christmas trees?
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 10:58 AM
Jan 2021

I hope Dr. Jill changes the Rose Garden back to something beautiful.

thucythucy

(8,045 posts)
15. If she does, wait for the GOP to whine about "the expense"
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 11:01 AM
Jan 2021

and "the budget."

They'll go right back to being "deficit hawks" after four years of spending like drunken sailors.

On second thought, that's offensive to drunken sailors.

MichaelSoE

(1,576 posts)
54. they already have their propaganda machine working on it
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 12:22 PM
Jan 2021

The 2 leads on their mainstream megaphone (F#X N3WS)were

1.Biden cancels pipeline just as we achieved energy independence and OMG the amount of jobs that will be lost
2.His plans are going to explode the deficit and OMG where are we going to get the money

FUCK THEM

Ligyron

(7,627 posts)
103. 100% right.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 06:35 PM
Jan 2021

How the average GOP voter and Trumpster can be okay with the 1% paying so little percentage wise of their income is beyond me. Since they represent such a small percent of the population you'd think in a democracy they'd instead be forced to pay for all the things sorely needed cause we're the majority and they'd still have tons of money left over, more than they could ever send in 3 lifetimes, yet...

Just another one of those things that make ya go huh?

Chainfire

(17,530 posts)
5. I have had discussions with them on this subject
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 10:44 AM
Jan 2021

Their first reply is "the great economy." When confronted with statistics, they move on to, guns, or their hate of Hillary.....

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
48. I think what they'd really like to say is this:
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 12:00 PM
Jan 2021

"He allowed me to say what I really think".

He brought out the racism, misogyny and immorality that lives in the hearts of far too many. He allowed people to speak their hate.

Chainfire

(17,530 posts)
49. And I think you have hit the nail on the head.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 12:06 PM
Jan 2021

The basic underlying them to the modern conservative Republican is racism, based upon fear, and expressed through hatefulness.

A allegorical comparison to many undereducated angry white men, may come from one of the final scenes in The Wizard Of Oz where the Wicked witch, in an effort to totally destroy what she sees as the enemies of evil has been doused with water and is beginning to melt. She she is dying, and her beautiful wickedness is dying with her. White men, so long taught to believe that we are superior beings, entitled to rule the world are melting into the past and it is just too hard for them to accept without a fight.

In the end, the most powerful being of the realm and her supporting army, are brought down by a frail little girl, a scarecrow, a tin man and a cowardly lion. The witch would have referred to them as "sheeple."

scarytomcat

(1,706 posts)
117. yes they look puzzled when it is pointed out that bush was pres
Wed Jan 20, 2021, 06:58 AM
Jan 2021

Obama got us going again over the cries of the rethugs

sop

(10,156 posts)
7. Only wealthy Republican donors can point to tax cuts and deregulation as "accomplishments."
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 10:48 AM
Jan 2021

Funny how none of Trump's followers mention draining the swamp, bringing back coal mining or manufacturing jobs, or winning the trade war with China these days.

moose65

(3,166 posts)
9. It's a very short list
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 10:48 AM
Jan 2021

I've seen one such list posted by a friend-of-a-friend. It's a list compiled by Hannity (Blechhhhh) and it lists things that I wouldn't really call "accomplishments." One of them is the appointment of the SC justices, but that's really not an accomplishment in the true sense of the word. Trump didn't do anything except pick names off of a list. Other things like "putting America first" are so abstract that it could never be seen as an accomplishment.

The one and only concrete legislative thing that Trump signed was the massive tax cut for the wealthy. That should tell us all we need to know about Republican priorities.

COL Mustard

(5,897 posts)
14. I Hope This New Administration And Congress
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 11:01 AM
Jan 2021

Will undo that "Tax Cut" soon. It was targeted at Blue states from the get-go and needs to be repealed.

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
25. The Supreme Court appointment and tax reductions are not really Trump achievements
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 11:13 AM
Jan 2021

The court appointments and tax bills are mainly the work of McConnell and Ryan.

The number of refugee immigrants admitted has been cut significantly, and I'd think the same is true of undocumented arrivals. The number of legal immigrants has been pretty constant.

Trump has disengaged the US from international commitments like the Paris Accords, weakened NATO ties, reduced troop levels in the Middle east, etc. This has been fairly popular. There is a significant part of the electorate that dislikes sacrificing the interests of the US citizens in order to maintain US as the "leader of the Free World", "sole superpower", etc. The days are over for JFK's "Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty." A more multi-lateral approach will be needed.

Lonestarblue

(9,971 posts)
16. I would add another possible accomplishment that has not come to fruition yet.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 11:01 AM
Jan 2021

If he has managed to splinter the Republican Party, causing a rift that results in both decreased alignment of new voters with Republicans and the formation of a new right of right-wing party that splits the Republican vote, I’ll consider that an accomplishment.

CousinIT

(9,239 posts)
17. Corporate owners of our gov't got what they wanted: lower or no taxes, decreased regulation...
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 11:03 AM
Jan 2021

...and the goddamned evangelicals control the USSC and have their sicko, unqualified judges installed nationwide.

That's what.

Much of America can not get decent affordable healthcare, we still have a raging pandemic that they bungled due to their indifference to the massive deaths it caused and grifting methods of personally profiting from it, our public education system remains destroyed (that resulted in Trump), we have massive wealth and income inequality, min wage at even $15 is abysmal, we are still one of the worst polluters on the planet in the face of devastating climate change, and now are pariahs of the civilized, Democratic nations on Earth. And so on...

But the motherfucking corprats like Amazon, Exxon-Mobil, Bank of America, the Koch Bros, and WalMart and the asshole American Taliban (evangelicals) got what THEY want and that's all that matters to Republicans. I've heard them: "he lowered taxes and got rid of regulations!"

Pfft.

3825-87867

(843 posts)
20. P.T. Barnum was right!
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 11:06 AM
Jan 2021

"The Wall"was THE distraction.
While the Deplorables, and others (are you listening media?) were transfixed on the wall for 4 years, he was dismantling everything else and lining his, his family's and his other ilk's pockets.

And there were some of those on the left taken in by that distraction, also.

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
88. Like A Magic Trick
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 02:21 PM
Jan 2021

Hand twitches to make everyone look at that hand while the trick takes place in the other hand.

scarytomcat

(1,706 posts)
118. It was a reality show, he even wore make-up and he
Wed Jan 20, 2021, 07:14 AM
Jan 2021

had a new show every day. He was the news every day, every day. Every day he had some new outrage to send us off. What a show it was. Now we will have his new show. The legal show, the run for your life show, the pity me show or the great job show and all will remain the same unless it is the new orange show.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
26. He shined the light on every weakness in our democracy
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 11:14 AM
Jan 2021

cancelled out by him trying to then exploit those weaknesses and destroy democracy. But he didn’t succeed. If we can strengthen those weak spots in the years ahead, our democracy would become stronger. And only then I would say something positive about trump.

Escurumbele

(3,386 posts)
27. One thing that goes unnoticed is the ethical behaviour of Democrats these past four years
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 11:15 AM
Jan 2021

I will explain.

Can you imagine if a Democratic president had Melania as a wife? A woman who posed nude, a foreigner, a liar who doesn't really speak five languages, a plagiarist who gave Michelle Obama's speech as her own, someone who may have come from the Epstein camp, etc., etc....Every time I start listing negatives about the trumps I end up with etc., etc...there are so many...

Anyway, imagine a Democratic president with a wife like that...Just imagine the uproar of republicans, who I have to assume would even call her a whore because republicans have no class and their hate is usually greater than their ethics, that is when they have ethics.

Sooo...the decency of Democrats to never do or make any derogatory comments about Melania (which would have been well earned), that is decency, and something that in my view has gone unnoticed.

Cozmo

(1,402 posts)
39. Remember when Melanoma defended tRump's pussy comment with "just boy talk"?
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 11:37 AM
Jan 2021

Does she let her little boy Barron talk that way?

Paladin

(28,252 posts)
28. Pick 5 DU members, out of thin air.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 11:16 AM
Jan 2021

Any one of them would have been a better president than trump. I can assure you that I would have been a vast improvement.

keithbvadu2

(36,775 posts)
29. As a personal best, Trump killed about 400,000 Americans with his Trump Virus.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 11:16 AM
Jan 2021

As a personal best, Trump killed about 400,000 Americans with his Trump Virus.

Kimber432

(74 posts)
51. So very true! Not to mention
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 12:07 PM
Jan 2021

those he killed with the cutbacks in the ACA. There was no accounting for them, sadly.

panfluteman

(2,065 posts)
30. And Let's Not Forget Everything Trump Did for Putin and Mother Russia...
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 11:23 AM
Jan 2021

Trump did more for Putin and Russia than any other president. Biden correctly said that Trump's whole presidency has been one big gift to Putin. Trump wrecked our alliances and greatly lowered the standing of the US on the world stage. Unfortunately, these may be the most lasting legacies of Trump. Don't watch what Trump says, says Rachel Maddow, but watch what he does... and more often than not, what he did wound up helping Putin and Russia. Golly gee, funny how that all works out!

I think that Trump is still bucking for that Trump Tower deal in Moscow. But now, his brand is so toxic that Putin might just wind up saying one big "Nyet!"

NoMoreRepugs

(9,412 posts)
31. His greatest accomplishment might be that the wakeup call to Fascism sounded long and loud. We will
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 11:27 AM
Jan 2021

be ever vigilant from this point on.

Lokee11

(235 posts)
33. I think I would have replied -
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 11:33 AM
Jan 2021

I asked you what its accomplishments were, not for you to list some of its many fuck-ups!

FDT!

Cozmo

(1,402 posts)
34. For me, his cruelty and greed were what made this president (haha) the worst
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 11:33 AM
Jan 2021

His actions have always brought me to tears. He has no soul. I love Joe!

mgardener

(1,816 posts)
35. Well, they would point to the Abraham accord
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 11:34 AM
Jan 2021

And the pull back of troops.
And the tax cut that benefit the wealthy.

nature-lover

(1,469 posts)
37. His greatest accomplishment was convincing the young and less educated that Russia is our friend.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 11:35 AM
Jan 2021

Ignore history and don't teach it to our children.

Ingersollman

(204 posts)
45. True
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 11:55 AM
Jan 2021

so true. Now we need to stay that way. Never let the right back into power. We know now without a doubt what they really are: Nazis.

IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
42. 400,000+ Americans died on his watch
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 11:39 AM
Jan 2021

while he and the GOP chose a deliberate "do nothing approach" and blocked local efforts to slow the spread of the virus.

He has destroyed people's lives, and trust in American institutions, trust in government, trust in each other. This is a much more deeply divided country than when he took office. Asshole.

I didn't need to have armed soldiers patrolling my city before this POS took office.

jaxexpat

(6,818 posts)
47. 12 of the 20 years expired in this century have been squandered.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 11:57 AM
Jan 2021

And worse, they've featured an unparalleled march backward. They will never be regained.

But that's to be expected when the executive is selected by a minority of voters.

karynnj

(59,501 posts)
52. That his last statement will likely be his list of his accomplishments is telling in and of itself
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 12:10 PM
Jan 2021

I don't remember any speech by any departing President - one term or two term. It is likely all had some, at least brief words of thanks to their administration as they quietly left after a dignified appearance at the transition of power. It is almost by definition a time calling for graciousness and acknowledgment of the power of our democracy.

As to the list, there are some things he can claim - that resonate at least with his base:

- He did nominate and get 3 Supreme Court Justices and an enormous number of lower judges, many not qualified and almost all of whom will put their thumbs on the scale of justice on the side of corporate and conservative interests. As you said, this was more McConnell and ANY Republican President would have been able to do the same.

- He will claim that he (and Jared) created peace between Israel and a few Arab states - that were not at war. It is true that the US brokered trade agreements - giving weapons to Arab countries and recognizing the annexation of Western Sahara which has been occupied by Morocco since the 1970s. A bigger problem is that it made a genuine 2 state solution even less likely. It also was what Netanyahu had wanted for years.

- As to the economy, it is NOT TRUE that when covid struck, it was the strongest economy ever. In fact, the economy was already slipping into recession, which was then aggravated by covid. It is true that before that the economy was growing, it was mainly fueled by his inequitable unsustainable tax cuts.

- He NEVER improved any infrastructure - something badly needed.

- His point that he reduced regulations really should be stated as he allowed dirtier air and water and unsafe practices at companies that employed a huge number of powerless employees.

Jonathan Chait has a New York Magazine article that speaks of how much of Obama's legacy still exists or will once Biden is in office. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/01/trump-wanted-to-erase-obamas-legacy-he-failed.html It is really worth reading and made me more optimistic. On some issues, I was surprised that the budget (yeah I know it starts in the House) contained many things that ally with Biden's goals. The key takeaway is that Obama's legacy is real and will hold. He really did save the economy, build ACA, which survived, and the Paris Accord did not fall apart when Trump left.

On climate change, it is easier for Biden to rejoin than it was to create an agreement that has something like 190 countries agreeing to. For Biden, and much tougher task to push the needed more aggressive goals. - It seems his plan is that we need to step up ourselves, which Gina McCarthy et al are eager to start doing and he has John Kerry to lead the international push on this.

aggiesal

(8,911 posts)
81. On your Mid-East point, Pendejo45 also put the US Embassy in Jerusalem ...
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 01:41 PM
Jan 2021

I'm still trying to figure out if this was actually a good thing or a bad thing.
Plus & Minuses for both.

karynnj

(59,501 posts)
90. I see it as negative as it was a "carrot" the US could have granted to Israel in return for
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 02:34 PM
Jan 2021

making a two state solution more likely. As it is, it was for nothing -- other than Trump's popularity.

BigBearJohn

(11,410 posts)
53. This sums it up for me:
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 12:10 PM
Jan 2021

He couldn’t even build his fucking wall. It’s as if the only thing he’s ever been good at in life is convincing morons that he’s good at anything.

Towlie

(5,324 posts)
56. No, it won't "be like he was never president at all." It will NEVER be like that.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 12:25 PM
Jan 2021

 
?

I think people who lost loved ones to COVID-19, and those who recovered but with life-long disabilities, are among those who will agree.

ooky

(8,922 posts)
57. He did absolutely nothing
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 12:27 PM
Jan 2021

except bad things. Ran up the debt playing golf. We'll save a lot of money on golf when he's gone.

I guess Biden will have to end the trade wars Trump started and never finished.

Roc2020

(1,615 posts)
59. Trump wanted to destroy Obama's legacy
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 12:27 PM
Jan 2021

He destroyed his. Obama's Presidency accomplishments plus his VP now President will live on. Trump's legacy is Death and Hate.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
61. One Indian's opinion was that Trump's accomplishment was...
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 12:34 PM
Jan 2021

... to create a new multi polar world order. Where China is more powerful, Russia isn't afraid to bite, and Europe figures out things on its own. According to her, China was winning without fighting, America was fighting without winning.

patphil

(6,169 posts)
64. As Rick Wilson book title says, "Everything Trump Touches Dies".
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 12:39 PM
Jan 2021

We can only hope we have rescued the Republic in time to save it.

spooky3

(34,438 posts)
65. He signed a lot of executive orders, damaging environmental protection, civil rights, and many other
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 12:43 PM
Jan 2021

good things. Fortunately Biden can issue his own and while this won't fully reverse the damage, it's a start.

Wolverine16

(3 posts)
66. Only really good thing was signing the prison reform bill.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 12:48 PM
Jan 2021

From a conservative view, many of them are happy about deregulation, lack of filling administration postions, approval of large numbers of judges and the big one would be tax cut. Outside of the prison reform bill, I don't agree that any of the rest is positive, especially the massive debt caused by the tax cut, but those are the maon ones citdd by his suporters.

klook

(12,154 posts)
86. Reality check - "Biden vs. Trump: Who's the Actual Criminal Justice Reformer?"
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 02:16 PM
Jan 2021

Welcome to DU! I don't mean to pick on a newcomer, but I feel it's important to point out that The First Step Act -- and the Trump Administration's criminal justice policies -- are at best an extremely mixed bag.

Biden vs. Trump: Who’s the Actual Criminal Justice Reformer? - Politico, 4/23/2020

Despite a bipartisan push to reduce the United States’ highest-in-the-world incarceration rate, the prison population decreased only slightly in 2018, the most recent year for which data is available. It was the last year in a slow but steady decade-long decline to the current population of 1.5 million.
- much more at link:
https://www.politico.com/interactives/2020/justice-reform-biden-trump-candidate-policy-positions/

Trump Just Bragged About Criminal Justice Reform. Look Closer at How His Administration Is Undoing It. - Mother Jones, 2/4/2020

During his State of the Union address, President Donald Trump praised himself for his work on criminal justice reform. “Our roaring economy has for the first time ever given many former prisoners the ability to get a great job and a fresh start,” he said. “This second chance at life is made possible because we passed landmark criminal justice reform into law. Everybody said that criminal justice reform couldn’t be done, but I got it done and the people in this room got it done.”

Yes, it’s true that Trump—the same man who recommended heavier enforcement of stop and frisk policing, and whose administration brought back the federal death penalty and fueled the expansion of private prisons—signed a much-heralded bill in 2018 to reform the federal criminal justice system, with broad bipartisan support. The First Step Act made changes that have reduced the federal prison population, and it was the first criminal justice reform bill to pass Congress in a generation. So far, the law has shortened the prison stays of about 2,500 people who were serving disproportionately long sentences for crack cocaine offenses, most of them African American. It has also let more than 3,000 people go home early because of their good behavior during incarceration. And it could lead to improvements in prison conditions.

But as Trump claims credit for freeing people from prison, there’s one very big problem that he’s not mentioning: His Justice Department is actively pushing to send some of these same people back behind bars, and to prevent others from reducing their sentences—which greatly limits who can benefit from the law that Trump has touted as one of his signature achievements.
- more at link: https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2020/02/trump-just-bragged-about-criminal-justice-reform-look-closer-at-how-his-administration-is-undoing-it/

Oh, yes, this too: Trump administration has executed more Americans than all states combined, report finds - The Guardian, 12/16/2020

The Trump administration ultimately executed 13 prisoners, most recently Dustin Higgs.

Lil Mushakan

(19 posts)
67. I... uh...
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 12:49 PM
Jan 2021

Here here.

That is all I have to say. This was well said and I think is exactly my feelings towards this joke of a President.

Catherine Vincent

(34,488 posts)
68. The only thing he achieved was that he divided us
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 12:54 PM
Jan 2021

Some say we were divided before but I disagree. We were all just more partisan. When Trump came along, he woke up the hateful right wing fraction in the US.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
69. Better yet they say he was first president to speak to Kim Jung Un. Trump made him a
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 12:55 PM
Jan 2021

celebrity instead of an isolated dictator shunned by most of the world.

StClone

(11,683 posts)
70. Why I think Trump during Covid-19 pandemic was important
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 01:00 PM
Jan 2021

Trump was appallingly bewilderingly corrupt.

With schools shutdown, people working from home, people out of work, people isolating, they were forced to find avenues of solace in many ways and places. One avenue was keeping informed via the many online source of information. Some went deeper into the toxic QAnon morass of conspiracies.

Others, many in fact, were for the first time in their lives FORCED by circumstance of shutdown boredom to read then understand that they can no longer take the world of "politics," voting, and beliefs for granted. They realized, maybe for the first time, THEY were the force of change. Trump was the very embodiment, the distillation, of all that was wrong and so they protested, they got involved, they voted. As a result, things may change for the better big time.

Arne

(2,009 posts)
74. Keep hoping there is a simple solution to Trump.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 01:09 PM
Jan 2021

If a single Executive order could be written that nullifies the ex presidents signature,
you know because he will be a convicted traitor and all.
Take all of his accomplishments, put a big X thru them, and file them in the circular file.

LudwigPastorius

(9,137 posts)
80. He's always been a con man and a bullshitter.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 01:39 PM
Jan 2021

The fact that 70 million people, not only can't see through this, but are willing to believe what he says despite ALL evidence to the contrary is depressing.

The fact that some of those 70 million are willing to commit violence, get arrested, and in some cases die for Trump is shocking and deeply disturbing.

Brother Mythos

(1,442 posts)
87. I've often been told by MAGAts that, "Trump has done so much for the country." But, ...
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 02:18 PM
Jan 2021

when I've challenged them by asking, "What, exactly, has Trump done for the country?" all I've ever received by way of an answer is silence and a blank stare. Never once have I received a coherent, verbal response.

JPK

(651 posts)
92. I asked a similar question of a friend of mine.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 04:00 PM
Jan 2021

He told me he was a Reagan Republican,(whatever that means), and that he didn't like Trump but liked some of his policies. I asked him what policies were they? He said it would take all day to talk about them. Obviously he had no idea what to say. Too bad, he's a very good friend of thirty years.

LudwigPastorius

(9,137 posts)
102. "A Reagan Republican..."
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 06:32 PM
Jan 2021

-Someone who backs an obviously cognitively-impaired president over the Constitution and at the expense of the national security of the country

Yep, definition checks out.

Nitram

(22,791 posts)
93. Trump's supporters, like the people that broke into the Capitol and vandalized it, see undoing
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 04:15 PM
Jan 2021

liberal progress as an accomplishment to be proud of. Stacking the Supreme court with unqualified right wing activists is supposed to be a win for conservatism.

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
96. You know what's bad, though, is these people think Iran and Paris were bad deals.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 04:23 PM
Jan 2021

I can remember how furious I was when the Republicans apologized publicly to Netanyahu for the Iran deal. Think about that a minute.

That was PURE racism. Because my understanding of the Iran deal is they allowed us some oversight to prevent them from developing nukes in return for sanction relief.

It was, I think, the first time I used the word 'treason' in relation to Republicans in Congress.

But you're right - by pulling us out, Trump just made it possible for Iran to go back to development of nukes.

And Paris? There was NO reason, NONE, for Trump to pull us out of this, except just being a dick. The Paris accords were one of O's big accomplishments. One of many.

But, back again to the racists at Fox, Breitbart, Red State and of course let's not forget AM right-wing hate-talk radio. These people have perpetuated the lie that we can either have big oil and all the attendant spills and carbon pollution OR jobs, but not both. That is just a lie. As we transition to renewables, a greater number of jobs will be created than will be lost.

We have to get rid of the white supremacy, the racism, the dog-whistles. It is killing the republic.

progree

(10,901 posts)
97. Well he might not have personally released a healthcare plan, but Republican congresspeople did
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 04:39 PM
Jan 2021

-- the AHCA and the BCRA in early 2017. Which Trump actively supported.

Problem: they were awful

This Wikipedia articles covers both the AHCA (American Health Care Act) and the BCRA (Better Care Reconciliation Act)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Health_Care_Act_of_2017

H.R. 1628, American Health Care Act of 2017, Cost Estimate, CBO, 5/24/17
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52752
would increase the number of people who are uninsured by 23 million in 2026 relative to current law.


H.R. 1628, Better Care Reconciliation Act of 2017, Cost Estimate, CBO, 6/26/17
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52849
A little bit better: leaving 22 million uninsured in 2026 relative to current law.

Both can only be described as acts of American Genocide.

Edited to add: thankfully, it failed by a 49-51 vote in the Senate.


mia

(8,360 posts)
99. The New Cold War
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 05:31 PM
Jan 2021

He transferred the emphasis from Russia to China. Less warfare in the Middle East.
Not exactly an accomplishment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Cold_War

iluvtennis

(19,849 posts)
101. they can't assert any accomplishments because there aren't any. For the wealthy and corporations was
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 06:22 PM
Jan 2021

tax cuts, for average everyday people there was nothing.

Response to BlueStater (Original post)

Aussie105

(5,380 posts)
109. I really hate the Media right now.
Tue Jan 19, 2021, 08:12 PM
Jan 2021

It's all . . .

What is Trump thinking?

What is Trump going to do?

Let's think of all the positives of the last 4 years!

Who, really, really cares? Media, grow up!

. . . none of them have said what I'm thinking:

INCOMPETENCE has it's own rewards, and Trump has both of that in spades.

Of course, he leaves a trail of chaos and destructive destabilization behind.

STOP FEEDING THAT, MEDIA!

Trump: Just . . . go away!

C Moon

(12,212 posts)
113. And I don't get (from the left media) "one of the worst presidents."
Wed Jan 20, 2021, 03:25 AM
Jan 2021

C'mon!
He's THE fucking worst person to sit in our White House and pretending to be president, EVER!—no one could create a fictional character worse than Trump.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
114. Agreed.
Wed Jan 20, 2021, 03:31 AM
Jan 2021

He turned historical satire into reality.

So many times that DU posters struggled to differentiate a parody from what Trump's administration actually said or did.

 
115. Money Shot
Wed Jan 20, 2021, 05:24 AM
Jan 2021

"It’s as if the only thing he’s ever been good at in life is convincing morons that he’s good at anything."

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