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onecaliberal

(32,786 posts)
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 02:35 PM Jan 2021

Mitch and republicans need to be shown all the deference they showed Dems.

There can be no concessions. We are the clear majority. We have much to do. Let’s get on it instead of worrying about the things evil people want. We’ve had plenty of that already. We cannot allow these anti American insurrection loving cowards to obstruct Americas agenda to Build Back Better.

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Mitch and republicans need to be shown all the deference they showed Dems. (Original Post) onecaliberal Jan 2021 OP
YES! Faux pas Jan 2021 #1
: onecaliberal Jan 2021 #2
Back Faux pas Jan 2021 #14
You're setting Democrats up to fail FBaggins Jan 2021 #3
I'm not setting anyone up to fail. I'm saying we need to work in OUR onecaliberal Jan 2021 #4
And when they can't do what you demand... you won't be upset? FBaggins Jan 2021 #12
You are setting Democrats up to fail because of expectations not based upon the reality we face. Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #15
I would hope that Democrats learned their lesson in 2010...when we lost the House and doomed Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #11
That's "sorta" the point of my post FBaggins Jan 2021 #13
Yes, I understand that. But is seems some are incapable of learning this particular lesson. Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #16
First, I know exactly where we are. I'm in CA22 trump/Nunes country. onecaliberal Jan 2021 #18
There is an effort to re-install reasonable processes StClone Jan 2021 #5
If we refrain from making bold moves and allow the Fascists to impede our progress,... magicarpet Jan 2021 #6
Hear, hear. onecaliberal Jan 2021 #7
I agree completely now...we have moderates and conservadems in the party and GOP types who Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #10
IMO what will doom us is if we don't even try for the policy we ran on. onecaliberal Jan 2021 #19
Yeah, like sitting on some 400+ bills passed by the House and then sent to the Senate where... SWBTATTReg Jan 2021 #8
We are 50 50 that is the problem...this is why we need an agreement. I wish we could get a GOP Demsrule86 Jan 2021 #9
I don't think we are a clear majority treestar Jan 2021 #17
Very good suggestions and I agree. onecaliberal Jan 2021 #20

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
3. You're setting Democrats up to fail
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 02:42 PM
Jan 2021

Be careful. First midterm elections can be incredibly painful for the party in power. Too many people are demanding the whole wish list (expand the courts, get rid of the filibuster, sweeping changes to taxes and healthcare policy, etc. etc. etc...). They're going to feel betrayed when they don't get it (and they aren't likely to get much of it).

You say that we're the clear majority - but the truth is that this is likely the narrowest legislative majority in US history. A mere handful of vote switches in the House would doom any proposal. And the Senate is even closer. A broken-tie majority that only exists with unanimity and the VP around to break the tie.

If the expectations are too unrealistic... some Democrats are going to feel betrayed even when we didn't have the power to satisfy them in the first place. When redistricting and reapportionment make things even tougher... 2022 could be ugly.

onecaliberal

(32,786 posts)
4. I'm not setting anyone up to fail. I'm saying we need to work in OUR
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 02:48 PM
Jan 2021

agenda. Not repuke failed policy. Not sitting on our hands while people can’t feed their kids. This bullshit idea that we need to coddle repukes has in my opinion contributed to why we’re here. Will we get it all done. No. I never expected us to. I do however expect us to work hard and try.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
12. And when they can't do what you demand... you won't be upset?
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 03:16 PM
Jan 2021

It's already happened.

We had a thread here a few days ago saying that McConnell wanted to delay the impeachment trial until February. The almost-universal response here was to tell him to shove it. He's not in charge any longer and can't get what he wants. We run things.

Today we see that the trial is tentatively delayed well into February. One wonders how those posters are feeling about Schumer continuing to let McConnell get what he wants?

Whether you expect it to get done or not isn't important. But there are plenty of others who will see things like this as a failure to do what they have the power to do ("why we're here" as I read your words).



Demsrule86

(68,504 posts)
15. You are setting Democrats up to fail because of expectations not based upon the reality we face.
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 03:20 PM
Jan 2021

We have a very slim majority with the VP. Some of what you want won't be possible unless or until we increase our majority in Congress.We have conservadems and moderates who will lose their seats if they vote for some of the things I have seen advocated here.

Demsrule86

(68,504 posts)
11. I would hope that Democrats learned their lesson in 2010...when we lost the House and doomed
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 03:16 PM
Jan 2021

President Obama's agenda. We have to vote to keep the GOP out.

FBaggins

(26,721 posts)
13. That's "sorta" the point of my post
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 03:17 PM
Jan 2021

Those demanding that we use our power to get everything we want (IMO) have not learned their lesson.

Demsrule86

(68,504 posts)
16. Yes, I understand that. But is seems some are incapable of learning this particular lesson.
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 03:21 PM
Jan 2021

We saw it with Clinton, Obama...also I would say it reared its ugly head in the election of 2000 and 2016.

onecaliberal

(32,786 posts)
18. First, I know exactly where we are. I'm in CA22 trump/Nunes country.
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 03:59 PM
Jan 2021

I am saying that we should stop catering to the Republicans constant hijacking of progress. These people still support trump and everything that entails. If there was any possible way they could have voided the votes of 80 million people they would have done it in a heartbeat. In fact, it wouldn’t be the first time republicans called an election for themselves by not counting votes to install their candidate. They are still today saying there were illegal voters/votes. Their code word for black voters.
AND I will be thrilled to pieces with any of our agenda becoming a reality.
I’m now sleeping at night because I know that the people in the White House are actually doing something about the pandemic. That science is finally going to prevail. I know POTUS wakes up and goes to sleep thinking about serving the American people. I know the American government isn’t actively trying to put my family in danger. I don’t check my phone 8 times in the middle of the night to see the latest horror.
People overwhelmingly voted for the democratic policy. Pandemic, Healthcare, economy, climate. That has to be our focus.

StClone

(11,682 posts)
5. There is an effort to re-install reasonable processes
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 02:53 PM
Jan 2021

To install a calming routine after the calenture of Trump Kakistocracy.

-Slow down and look things over
-Not attempt to ram things through
-Listen to the other side
-Give peace a chance
-Follow past rules, precedence, procedures.

Another opportunity lost if we don't push good and not listen to the evil and bad of human nature (Republican criminal mind).

magicarpet

(14,124 posts)
6. If we refrain from making bold moves and allow the Fascists to impede our progress,...
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 02:54 PM
Jan 2021

... and ability to help the American public, we will be sidelined again and pushed into the minority in both the House and Senate come 2022. All because taking bold action was considered against political decorum.

Fuck decorum,.... get the job done,... this is a national emergency that requires the boldest of actions.

Push the objectionists to the ground and stampede over them with legislation beneficial to the survival of the middle and lower classes.

The voters will reflect their gratitude come the midterm elections. We will strengthen our weak majority come 2022.

Demsrule86

(68,504 posts)
10. I agree completely now...we have moderates and conservadems in the party and GOP types who
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 03:13 PM
Jan 2021

walk in lockstep so explain in great detail how we do this. I think we can pick and choose what we can get done...my priorities are Pandemic/economic relief, fixing the ACA like we promised Georgia voters, and Green jobs, a new voter rights bill...etc. I hear all over DU how we have a big majority. We don't.

SWBTATTReg

(22,077 posts)
8. Yeah, like sitting on some 400+ bills passed by the House and then sent to the Senate where...
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 03:06 PM
Jan 2021

scumbag sat on them, did nothing? No peace, no rest for the wicked (those republican senators)...all of them are guilty of aiding and abetting rump's illegal acts and attempts to subvert the votes of the voters (a clear victory by Mr. Biden).

Demsrule86

(68,504 posts)
9. We are 50 50 that is the problem...this is why we need an agreement. I wish we could get a GOP
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 03:10 PM
Jan 2021

to switch.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
17. I don't think we are a clear majority
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 03:22 PM
Jan 2021

Especially in an institution where they've managed to make it a supermajority required to even allow a vote.

They want nothing done and we want things to get done. That makes the Senate our biggest challenge.

People take out their frustrations on the majority leader rather than admit it's not that he/she is weak or spineless, it's that they want to get something voted on and passed, which is much harder to keep something from being voted on at all in that institution.

Instead, go to purple states to get more blue Senators and quit kvetching that they are not Bernie twins. And convince more red states people of progressive policies, so they will vote for such.

Reform the institution to make it more democratic. All the bills should be voted on. A majority should pass a bill, not a supermajority (except as provided for under the law).

onecaliberal

(32,786 posts)
20. Very good suggestions and I agree.
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 04:06 PM
Jan 2021

We have to continue to organize at the local level. Chip away. It takes time.

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