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Thu Feb 4, 2021, 01:36 PM

A thought regarding that repellent "Six Million Weren't Enough" (killed in the Holocaust) meme.

As awful and as horrible as that sentiment is, it occurred to me that at least people who embrace it are admitting that the Holocaust happened.

That's progress...I guess?...

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Reply A thought regarding that repellent "Six Million Weren't Enough" (killed in the Holocaust) meme. (Original post)
Aristus Feb 2021 OP
niyad Feb 2021 #1
Aristus Feb 2021 #3
sandensea Feb 2021 #2
Aristus Feb 2021 #4
sandensea Feb 2021 #7
krispos42 Feb 2021 #5
Aristus Feb 2021 #6
Caliman73 Feb 2021 #8

Response to Aristus (Original post)

Thu Feb 4, 2021, 01:38 PM

1. I see it as progress in self-identification.

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Response to niyad (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 4, 2021, 01:39 PM

3. Good.

That's how we know where these monsters are, and can deal with them appropriately, (job losses, social blackballing, etc.)

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Response to Aristus (Original post)

Thu Feb 4, 2021, 01:39 PM

2. That's what it was always about: denying a crime, in hopes it might happen again

A favorite tactic of all sociopaths.

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Response to sandensea (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 4, 2021, 01:41 PM

4. I never understood Holocaust denial among neo-Nazis.

I mean, wouldn't they consider the Holocaust the greatest achievement of their movement?

The only other explanation is that they know how repulsive their beliefs are, and are trying to whitewash their bloody history.

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Response to Aristus (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 4, 2021, 01:50 PM

7. They do - but learned quickly that denying its existence makes another one more likely

That's the thing about neo-Nazis: they're dumb as rocks; but when it comes to pushing their agenda, they can be surprisingly canny and wily.

It's the same gaslight tactic racists use: deny there's any 'racism' - while making sure it's felt as widely and painfully as possible by its intended targets.

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Response to Aristus (Original post)

Thu Feb 4, 2021, 01:42 PM

5. "It didn't happen" to "It did and it was insufficient"

Passive evil to active evil.

This means at some point they'll acknowledge that 6 million OTHER people were killed in the Holocaust, start saying "Twelve Million Weren't Enough".

I've sort of run out of words to express how terrible all this is.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 4, 2021, 01:46 PM

6. One interesting thing:

Because they're white and right-wing, they think they would be welcomed with open arms in Hitler's Nazi Germany.

But as they are, chronically un or under-employed, malcontented, addicted to meth and other drugs, the Nazis would probably call them "useless eaters" and send them off to the camps.

'Underemployed and malcontented' described a lot of the men who joined the Brownshirts in the 20's and 30's. But the SA were strict about physical fitness, order, and unquestioning obedience. Today's Nazi-wannabees would never cut it in the ranks.

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Response to Aristus (Original post)

Thu Feb 4, 2021, 02:53 PM

8. Afraid not.

I think that some Holocaust deniers may actually believe that it did not happen, but I would say that is rare. Holocaust denial is a strategy to make White Supremacy more palatable. When Nazi, or more accurately Neo-Nazi/White Supremacist ideas are floated, there is some support for their arguments regarding "discrimination against White people", the need to preserve culture and pride, and the need for a space of their own. I personally think it is all bull shit, but some people will accept those as "reasonable" arguments (usually people already on the fringes).

However, there is a BIG problem for White Supremacy and they hit the wall of, "your ideology lead to the systematic extermination of over 6 million Jewish people and millions of others". That sours people who would be willing to listen to arguments. SO... denying the Holocaust or at minimum denying the scope, or minimizing it in some way, has been the aim of the modern White Supremacy/Neo-Nazi movement.

The good only positive aspect of Trump and his support of the movement is that it has brought the scope of the problem out into the open. 10 years ago, people would not have been out walking around in shirts that say, "6 Million Weren't Enough" and the other various White Supremacy memes. They are exposed now, so they have two options, 1. Make their play and try to take over 2. Go back under the rocks they were hiding in before.

They don't have the strength to take over, and they will not be allowed to simply slink back to their hidy holes.

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