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Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:41 AM

 

Walmart Workers Are Threatening To Strike On Black Friday

http://www.businessinsider.com/walmart-workers-strike-expands-2012-10#ixzz28ugCZAOf

"Walmart workers are threatening to strike on the busiest day of the year--Black Friday.

A strike would undoubtedly create chaos on an already crazy day.

Protests have been building since last week, when Walmart employees staged the first-ever multi-store strike in the 50-year history of the retailer."

More at the link. In case you missed what Walmart did to strikers and supporters last week in Chicago and February in California:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021469209

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Reply Walmart Workers Are Threatening To Strike On Black Friday (Original post)
Fire Walk With Me Oct 2012 OP
Sherman A1 Oct 2012 #1
JimDandy Oct 2012 #2
lame54 Oct 2012 #3
WinkyDink Oct 2012 #4
Kindly Refrain Oct 2012 #5
HopeHoops Oct 2012 #6
DisabledAmerican Oct 2012 #8
fasttense Oct 2012 #16
DisabledAmerican Oct 2012 #24
LiberalFighter Oct 2012 #10
HopeHoops Oct 2012 #19
Lyric Oct 2012 #34
HopeHoops Oct 2012 #37
joeglow3 Oct 2012 #15
HopeHoops Oct 2012 #20
bighart Oct 2012 #22
HopeHoops Oct 2012 #25
bighart Oct 2012 #30
HopeHoops Oct 2012 #36
bighart Oct 2012 #39
HopeHoops Oct 2012 #43
HiPointDem Oct 2012 #32
DisabledAmerican Oct 2012 #7
Fire Walk With Me Oct 2012 #18
DisabledAmerican Oct 2012 #23
HopeHoops Oct 2012 #44
Initech Oct 2012 #9
Drahthaardogs Oct 2012 #11
nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #12
woo me with science Oct 2012 #13
Arkana Oct 2012 #14
Erose999 Oct 2012 #17
klook Oct 2012 #28
ellie Oct 2012 #21
former-republican Oct 2012 #26
valerief Oct 2012 #27
graham4anything Oct 2012 #29
HiPointDem Oct 2012 #33
justice1 Oct 2012 #35
Fire Walk With Me Oct 2012 #38
Barack_America Oct 2012 #31
NuttyFluffers Oct 2012 #40
theKed Oct 2012 #41
socialist_n_TN Oct 2012 #42

Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:48 AM

1. Well,

That could be rather embarasssing for the mighty Wal Mart.

Thanks for Posting....!

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:55 AM

2. All the WalMart "Right to Work" states

should be "Right to 'Work without needing foo.d stamps' states".

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:55 AM

3. yes Yes YEs YES YESSSSSS!!!!

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:56 AM

4. They will be summarily dismissed.

 

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:58 AM

5. We can help.

 

Print out about 50 flyers and place them around your local Wal-Mart calling for workers to strike on Black Friday.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 12:04 PM

6. That would be good. WalMart pioneered the double-part-time job thing to avoid paying benefits.

 

It's a really disgusting practice. Rather than having a 40 hour full-time job with benefits, they give workers two part-time jobs in two different departments and those workers often clock more than 50 hours a week, often in the same department the entire time, cross-billed to the other "job" department. It's hard to imagine a more evil retail chain.

Sadly, that model is being adopted by other companies.

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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 12:28 PM

8. I'm a prime example of someone hurt by walmart policy

 

I'm struggling so hard to just survive right now. Live with Back pain that could have been avoided if they didn't do what they did. 3 years never had a problem.

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Response to DisabledAmerican (Reply #8)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 12:50 PM

16. Most of the people who once worked at Wal-Mart

 

Distribution Centers have serious back problems because of Wal-Mart policies. They set goals so high that you have to strain your back to keep up with the number of boxes that have to be thrown.

And many of the injured workers can't go see a doctor because they can't afford the health care costs.

If Wal-Mart were an 1800 factory they would be the Triangle Shirt Waist factory.

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Response to fasttense (Reply #16)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 02:13 PM

24. retail store here though

 

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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 12:36 PM

10. How many of those workers are signed in on one job and then reassigned to another department

that they don't normally work? If so, that should require both jobs to be considered one job.

Regardless, if both jobs are with the same employer than it should be considered one job.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #10)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 01:01 PM

19. I completely agree, but apparently it is a legal practice. Olive Garden/Red Lobster's going there.

 

There was an article in today's paper about the parent company of both (starts with a "D", forget the actual name) switching employees to just under 30 hours per week to avoid paying for healthcare (and of course, blaming it on Obamacare, big shock there). But WalMart's been doing the two PT job thing for at least a decade. I've known a lot of people who got fucked over by that trick and ended up quitting. It's a bait and switch. They get hired on as FT with a "probation" period and before it expires are reduced to PT and then later offered a second PT job in another department. Then they end up right back where they were and never set foot in the other department again - still no benefits.

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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #19)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 03:14 PM

34. Olive Garden's parent company is Darden

And that's despicable news. Rhythm used to work at Olive Garden, and although the work was exhausting in the kitchen, she at least had benefits.

Sad to see they're going that route.

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Response to Lyric (Reply #34)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 03:34 PM

37. Thank you. Yes, Darden. And breastfeeding at Olive Garden is ALREADY a problem.

 

Then again, I'm a guy. Now there are TWO ways you can interpret that...


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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 12:45 PM

15. Do you have actual proof of this?

 

This is CLEARLY illegal. They are being paid under the same Federal Identification Number, thus it would CLEARLY, legally constitute one job,

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #15)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 01:20 PM

20. Sadly, it is legal. It was all over the papers a decade ago. Sadly, I couldn't find a reference.

 

Frankly, I think it's become common enough that it's no longer considered "news". It's legal to provide two PT jobs as long as the departments are significantly different (clothes and electronics, etc). Where WalMart crosses the line is in the cross-billing while keeping someone in the same department for both positions. THAT should certainly be illegal, but who's going to take on the army of WalMart lawyers over it?

But I know first hand that it happens from friends who got screwed over that way. As far as I know, all but one of them have found employment elsewhere (lost track of a few). One of my best buddies became the manager of the paint department and spends about 50 hours a week there - but he's cross-billed to shoes and has never set foot (pun intended) in that department as an employee - no benefits. He's got medical issues and that's a major problem for him. On the plus side, he is making good money (by today's low standards).

As I mentioned in another post, today's paper has an article about the parent company of Olive Garden and Red Lobster pushing workers into the sub-30 hour/week zone to avoid benefits (and blaming it on Obamacare). They're hardly the first to follow in WalMart's footsteps here.

Speaking of WalMart (again from today's paper), they're going after Amazon.com now. Amazon has something like 40 warehouses where (if you are within range) you can get products delivered the same day you order them. WalMart's toyed with doing that with groceries, but they're going after that market with a wide array of products now - flat $10 delivery fee, no minimum order. They're also moving in on convenience stores. It's becoming an even bigger monster than it had been.

How long before we have WalBurger fast food drive-through windows on sides of the mega-stores? You know it's coming.

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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #20)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 01:50 PM

22. I too would like to see some evidence of this "double part time job" thing.

The department you work in has no bearing, from a federal labor law standpoint, on the hours you total. The employer reports worked hours using the individuals social security number and federal identification number. Any hours worked count toward the total for the week. Please link something showing this "double part time job" thing, I have searched and find nothing.

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Response to bighart (Reply #22)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 02:19 PM

25. Yeah, I went looking for it too. Most of the print media from that time isn't online.

 



I guess we can't expect everything to be archived electronically, and I know those papers went out with the recycling LONG ago (or might be in the basement with Christmas ornaments in them). But I can tell you I've known a lot of people who've been fucked over this way. Perhaps the laws have changed (or been enforced), but there's at least a current trend toward the 29 1/2 hour work week.

The Internet used to be simple. You would type in a search term and get relevant hits. Now it's polluted with ads, blogs, and irrelevant bullshit. When I see "page one of 1,400,927", I know I didn't get the term right. Even my most narrow search came up with 57 million hits. It's a needle in a haystack problem and I'M A FUCKING COMPUTER GEEK! I'm still damn good at finding things, but when you have common terms it becomes a nightmare.

To be honest, I don't know if they're still doing that and haven't seen anything on it recently. Nobody I know now would ever work at WalMart now, other than my friend who still does. I haven't spoken with him for at least five years so maybe they abandoned the practice. Once upon a time, in a Galaxy far, far away, it used to be considered a reputable company. Remember "Bring It Home To The USA!" or "Look For The Union Label"? Those days are gone.

Sorry I couldn't come up with the a link, but I know they did this. My memory for what happened is excellent, but when it comes to details I'm usually in a position of looking them up. I just can't find any now. And no, I'm not calling "conspiracy" here. I just haven't found it. Given the current amount of information on the Internet, I could probably write a search program that would locate something by 5319 (by which point, if we're still around, WalMart will be the only retailer out there).


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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #25)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 02:47 PM

30. I hope I am not comming across as snarky on this.

Fact is I personally did work for Walmart for 20 years, early '80s to early '00s. In fact I was salaried store management, one of the bad guys. I know for an absolute fact that what you describe is without question untrue at least as a company policy. During the time I worked for them, including running stores, it would have been impossible to have someone work part time hours in two different departments and not have the hours combined for an aggregate total for the week. Hours are reported by employee number which is directly linked to SSN and would be impossible to LEGALLY manipulate.

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Response to bighart (Reply #30)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 03:31 PM

36. Not snarky at all. It could also be a regional thing. I agree that it should at least BE illegal.

 

But I'm not sure WalMart gives a shit about laws anymore. And yes, you can get away with such things by calling departments "divisions". That's an old DOD trick (I mean old) to get around security restrictions. You can have a clearance in one "division" of Lockheed but not in another, but spend all of your time in the restricted area. Hell, most of what I did between '82 and '85 was NASA work, but I was often cross-billed to FAA contracts (and never did a minute of work on any of those contracts). Since I was salaried, it was just a timesheet issue in that job (bean counter shit), but they still threw hourly workers around from contract to contract (but that company did NOT do it to avoid benefits).

I'm glad you had a good career there. You're only the second person I've known who could claim that. My buddy who's the paint department manager is still hourly. Getting a salaried position at that level is a challenge now, if it's still possible. Retail's always been sort of brutal, but it seems to be getting worse no matter where you work. I miss Ames and Jamesway.





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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #36)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 09:42 AM

39. Thanks for the reply, glad I didn't offend.

I really wouldn't say most of my career there was "good". It was physically and mentally draining, the hours were horrible and it really ate away at me to have to jack with peoples lives via crappy schedules. It tore me up to have to sit across from a single mother trying to make ends meet and having to cut her schedule and give her such jacked up hours she couldn't even work a second part time job.
Truth is I was looking for another job for about 5 years before I actually left but it took awhile to find one that did not cause me to take a rather drastic pay cut.

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Response to bighart (Reply #39)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:26 AM

43. I'm not easily offended. I know the feeling of looking for a job while hating what you're in.

 

That alone makes the current job draining. I only do contract work now (when I can get it). My wife's got the 4:55 alarm ("No, I HATE this world" life these days. The insurance is pretty good (not awesome, just pretty good). She likes her job, but it doesn't pay enough, at least for what she's worth.

In many ways, salaried positions are worse. You work as many hours as necessary to get the job done but don't get extra pay. I've done my share of 80+ hour weeks. At least my wife gets overtime if she crosses the 40 hour line. Even still, she puts in a lot of hours (unpaid) doing prep-work here at home.

It isn't just outsourcing we need to be worried about. It's what's going on with labor practices here at home and on many different fronts. Consolidation of companies into conglomerates is generally a bad thing for the workers. Bean counters make decisions that change the lives of hundreds or even thousands just because there's a small percentage change in net profit. They don't care. A buddy of mine worked for AOL (since before it was called that) and after they bought Netscape, some bean counter shut down an entire half of the building he was in. He was on the wrong side of the dividing line. No performance reviews, no reassignments. If you go through this door to get to your cubicle or office (all levels), you're out of a job.

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #15)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 03:10 PM

32. community colleges in my state did the same thing circa 80s -- part timers would cobble together

 

jobs at different CCs to get a full-time check but were still classified as pt -- as i understand it. there was some kind of court thing after i quit teaching cc which resulted in me getting a bit in benefits.

judging from the internet, it does seem to happen:

http://union-labor-relations.hr.toolbox.com/groups/strategy-administration/union-labor-strategy/do-two-half-time-jobs-equal-a-ful-time-job-3727311

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 12:26 PM

7. What you can do to help walmart workers CALL STORES

 

Ask the people on the phone if their store is open or is it on strike? Tell them you are worried about using up gas and that you support workers right to strike. This is the way you build a snowball effect. We need a snowball effect here to grow the protest.

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Response to DisabledAmerican (Reply #7)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 12:57 PM

18. ...

 

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #18)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 02:12 PM

23. snowball effect it

 

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Response to DisabledAmerican (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:27 AM

44. Now THAT is an excellent idea!!!!

 

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 12:31 PM

9. I love this idea - hit 'em where it hurts!!!!!!

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 12:37 PM

11. Oh, that would be great wouldn't it?

Show those corporate asses who wields the real power.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 12:37 PM

12. Will be fine by then

 

you are going to make me wake up early on Black Friday?

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 12:44 PM

13. Good for them! Would love to see a general strike

by all exploited workers and by American shoppers.

Time to fight back, America.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 12:45 PM

14. Do it.

Do it. Do it. Do it do it do it DO IT.

I want to see Walmart squirm.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 12:53 PM

17. Black Friday = Buy Nothing Day. Let them strike. I fully support this!!

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Response to Erose999 (Reply #17)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 02:27 PM

28. Use your credit card for something productive

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 01:32 PM

21. Yes!

Solidarity!

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 02:25 PM

26. We have so much power that is never used over these giant corporations

 

This one day callout or strike would send Walmart executives a loud and clear message


PAY PEOPLE A LIVING WAGE ASSHOLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 02:27 PM

27. Bravo to them! nt

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 02:30 PM

29. I WILL NEVER FORGET JDIMYTAI DAMOUR, DIED BLACK FRIDAY 2008

 

every year since on whatever board I am on, I have posted a rememberance of this gentle giant, true hero. I was planning on doing so again come Black Friday 2012.

I will also post this now in this thread.

GREED reared it's ugly head that day.

Mr. Damour died working as a security guard in a Valley Stream Long Island NY Walmart
and as he rushed to the rescue of pregant woman he was crushed to death by the mob stampede of greedy mostly white shoppers looking to get their 50 bucks off 50 inch tvs and computers.

Worse, the vultures did not stop, and the store, worst of all, kept going.Cash registered ringing with a dead man and injured people lying on the ground.

Mr. Damour (d'amour=love_ died for our greediness.

Walmart=the ruin of America.

If you are proUnion, proWorker DO NOT SHOP AT WALMART.
The drugs are cheap, yes, they are. You get what you pay for. Walmart can be taken down but you need to inconvience yourself alittle and go elsewhere, and maybe pay a little more.

Rest in peace Jdimytai, I for one will NEVER EVER forget you.
You are a hero and inspiration and a beautiful person. You are not forgotten.
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http://articles.nydailynews.com/2008-11-28/local/17910475_1_wal-mart-worker-long-island-wal-mart-jdimytai-damour
A Wal-Mart worker died early Friday after an "out-of-control" mob of frenzied shoppers smashed through the Long Island store's front doors and trampled him, police said.

The Black Friday stampede plunged the Valley Stream outlet into chaos, knocking several employees to the ground and sending others scurrying atop vending machines to avoid the horde.

When the madness ended, 34-year-old Jdimytai Damour was dead and four shoppers, including a woman eight months pregnant, were injured

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PEACE and LOVE, may God be with you Mr. Damour.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #29)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 03:13 PM

33. +1

 

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #29)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 03:28 PM

35. There are alternatives to Walmart for RX's, even in small towns.

Shopko/Pamida pharmacists have called Walmart and matched their prices, and keep the price in my file.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #29)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 05:44 PM

38. OMG.... +1!

 

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2012, 02:48 PM

31. Do it!!

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:05 AM

40. good. i hope they do.

and i hope their demands are met, too.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:11 AM

41. Yes!

I strongly encourage this action!
And if your local Walmart isnt a striking location - boycott it!

A victory for one is a victory for all - the only thing you have to lose is your chains!

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:20 AM

42. It's time to take these guys on........

Even a labor struggle that doesn't win the first time, will send a message. I don't shop on Black Friday anyway and RARELY shop at Wally World period. I think I'll stop completely now.

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