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⭐️⭐️**Thread 2****Day 3 TRUMP INSURRECTION ****** 🇺🇸🧈

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Thread #1 with links to PBS and CSPAN.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15091301

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Reply ⭐️⭐️**Thread 2****Day 3 TRUMP INSURRECTION ****** 🇺🇸🧈 (Original post)
underpants Feb 2021 OP
DoBotherMe Feb 2021 #1
Lars39 Feb 2021 #2
crickets Feb 2021 #3
Lars39 Feb 2021 #4
Lars39 Feb 2021 #5
irisblue Feb 2021 #6
crickets Feb 2021 #10
Lars39 Feb 2021 #7
bdamomma Feb 2021 #8
My Pet Orangutan Feb 2021 #9
bdamomma Feb 2021 #11
nolabear Feb 2021 #12
crickets Feb 2021 #13
crickets Feb 2021 #16
Mersky Feb 2021 #14
Mersky Feb 2021 #15
IcyPeas Feb 2021 #24
Mersky Feb 2021 #17
Mersky Feb 2021 #18
Mersky Feb 2021 #19
crickets Feb 2021 #20
crickets Feb 2021 #22
Mersky Feb 2021 #23
Lars39 Feb 2021 #21
crickets Feb 2021 #29
Lars39 Feb 2021 #32
Mersky Feb 2021 #25
Mersky Feb 2021 #26
crickets Feb 2021 #38
EndlessWire Feb 2021 #27
Lars39 Feb 2021 #30
Lars39 Feb 2021 #28
EndlessWire Feb 2021 #40
Lars39 Feb 2021 #44
IcyPeas Feb 2021 #31
Lars39 Feb 2021 #33
crickets Feb 2021 #35
IcyPeas Feb 2021 #37
crickets Feb 2021 #58
Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #51
crickets Feb 2021 #59
Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #64
Mersky Feb 2021 #34
IcyPeas Feb 2021 #36
Mersky Feb 2021 #39
Mersky Feb 2021 #41
Mersky Feb 2021 #42
Mersky Feb 2021 #43
Mersky Feb 2021 #45
marlakay Feb 2021 #46
Mersky Feb 2021 #47
Lars39 Feb 2021 #48
Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #52
Lars39 Feb 2021 #49
IcyPeas Feb 2021 #50
bdamomma Feb 2021 #54
IcyPeas Feb 2021 #55
Mersky Feb 2021 #53
Mersky Feb 2021 #56
IcyPeas Feb 2021 #57
Mersky Feb 2021 #60
underpants Feb 2021 #62
Mersky Feb 2021 #63
underpants Feb 2021 #61

Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 03:17 PM

1. Knr

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 03:20 PM

2. Good gawd that idiot woman Molly on CBSN is a rw toady

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 03:34 PM

3. TRUTH - MSNBC commentary just made the point that the reason we are here today

is because the Senate did not hold trump accountable in the first impeachment.

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 03:48 PM

4. Castro up!

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 03:50 PM

5. Foreign agents in crowd?

Possibility brought up

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 03:52 PM

6. Nat Security Issues.+Castro just quoted Rubio to Rubios face

btw....🌵Rubio

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Response to irisblue (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 03:59 PM

10. Yep. The implications are not good.

The Capitol has always been open to the public to a degree. I would hate to see that change.

ata - The optics are not good for us either. We lost a lot of world standing that day, even more than trump had already managed to lose for us.

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 03:53 PM

7. Sounds like they're still trying to figure what sensitive info was taken.

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 03:54 PM

8. Thank you

underpants for the threads.

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 03:59 PM

11. The world is watching

is correct. But I'm sure those like Hawley and Cruz do not give two cents.

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:00 PM

12. The depiction of damage in global terms is brilliant.

Our enemies informed, our allies alarmed. The cultists believe weíre able to go it alone somehow. Theyíll find out differently of course but the GQP is going to use it as long as they can.

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:03 PM

13. "Call it off" - why use this phrase?

It acknowledges a plan to be cancelled rather than an unforeseen event to be stopped. I could be reading more into than was intended, but it struck me odd that this particular phrase is used.

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Response to crickets (Reply #13)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:14 PM

16. Another good point made re this phrase




Ali Zaslav
@alizaslav
House Impeachment Manager Rep. Castro makes the argument that if Trump didnít incite the riot, then why were so many in Congress publicly and privately pleading with the former president to "call it off"
7:10 PM ∑ Feb 10, 2021


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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:05 PM

14. Placeholder for Castro's section

Iíve gotta catch up!

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:05 PM

15. Neguse now speaking

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Response to Mersky (Reply #15)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:35 PM

24. Neguse used the word "POWDER KEG"

That is exactly what dtump created.

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:14 PM

17. Flarge! Lots of interruptions for me today

Will add comment here later

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:14 PM

18. Raskin is up!

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:17 PM

19. Like Neguse before, Raskin is addressing the defense's free speech argument

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Response to Mersky (Reply #19)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:20 PM

20. Pointing out that free speech does not allow trump to violate his oath of office.

That sums it all up right there.

eta - Raskin later directly calls out trump for inciting violent insurrection in his closing remarks.

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Response to Mersky (Reply #19)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:32 PM

22. No first amendment protection for speech directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action

Brandenburg v. Ohio

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio

Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444 (1969), was a landmark decision of the United States Supreme Court interpreting the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.[1] The Court held that the government cannot punish inflammatory speech unless that speech is "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action".[2][3] : 702


https://www.oyez.org/cases/1968/492

Brandenburg, a leader in the Ku Klux Klan, made a speech at a Klan rally and was later convicted under an Ohio criminal syndicalism law. The law made illegal advocating "crime, sabotage, violence, or unlawful methods of terrorism as a means of accomplishing industrial or political reform," as well as assembling "with any society, group, or assemblage of persons formed to teach or advocate the doctrines of criminal syndicalism."

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Response to crickets (Reply #22)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:34 PM

23. Thank you, crickets!

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:32 PM

21. Lieu is up!

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Response to Lars39 (Reply #21)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:44 PM

29. Just saw MSNBC bio blurb - didn't know until now that Lieu is a former JAG.

Glad they chose him. He's been doing a great job. The entire team is stellar.

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Response to crickets (Reply #29)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:45 PM

32. I'd forgotten he was.

Definitely the A team

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:36 PM

25. Lieu arguing against objections to the trial over reasons of due process

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:37 PM

26. Raskin is up!

Eta - explaining that impeachment is not a criminal or civil proceeding. No prison or fines will come of convicting of such in the Senate.

And if this doesnít rise to the level of impeachment, what does?

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Response to Mersky (Reply #26)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:50 PM

38. Also, not finding him guilty will set a "new, terrible standard"

for presidential misconduct in the United States of America.

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:39 PM

27. They have hit

all the points that I wanted them to hit, including a picture of Ofc. Hodges getting crunched in the door.

I sure would like to know who wrote all these amazing speeches. Surely they didn't write them all themselves?

I think this trial is over by EOD tomorrow.

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Response to EndlessWire (Reply #27)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:44 PM

30. Most are trial lawyers

So they probably did write them.

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:42 PM

28. Neguse up!

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Response to Lars39 (Reply #28)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:57 PM

40. Start vetting Neguse

I see President Harris and VP Neguse...I sure like listening to this guy.

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Response to EndlessWire (Reply #40)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:08 PM

44. He's a hit in our house, too!

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:45 PM

31. so aside from the First Amendment defense.....

they are going to be comparing trumps crowds with the BLM protests. Has anyone mentioned BLM protests?

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Response to IcyPeas (Reply #31)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:46 PM

33. I may have missed a mention, but I don't remember hearing any

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Response to IcyPeas (Reply #31)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:49 PM

35. I'm behind and haven't gotten to this part yet

but the Repubs have been threatening to use BLM protests in a both siderist argument. Tackling the subject before they have a chance to bring it up may take the wind out of their sails on that.

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Response to crickets (Reply #35)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:50 PM

37. that's what I was hoping too

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Response to IcyPeas (Reply #37)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:28 PM

58. Listening to closing comments from Raskin now.

They did not address this after all, so I assume they will deal with it in their final remarks after Repubs have presented their arguments. It's just as well they didn't borrow trouble beforehand by discussing it. There's no guarantee what the Repubs are going to say given they have so little to work with.

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Response to crickets (Reply #35)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:19 PM

51. I've been waiting for national guard issue. But you know what I read? That BLM

Pic that everyone has been circulating was taken AFTER rally. No idea if that's true but interesting.

Something is very fishy about the NG deployment. Cap police head Sund said he asked for guard 6 times. ArmySec/ pentagon says no one asked.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #51)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:31 PM

59. There was no in-depth discussion about NG response either, which was a little surprising.

I'm thinking perhaps there is a very involved investigation going on right now, and they didn't want to step on that.

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Response to crickets (Reply #59)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 10:16 PM

64. Yes there is. Honore in charge I think. Read some on the subject.

What's interesting is that the National Guard is not a rapid response group. Like guard members are literally at home or at work. In other words, not good for "get your ass down here asap, we've got trouble."

But they could have been called in before.. prearranged. DC mayor did that... But just for traffic. She has no jurisdiction over Capitol.

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:46 PM

34. "The violence on that day was entirely foreseeable."

Yes, that has been made abundantly clear.

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:49 PM

36. Laura Ingraham: the other side does it morning noon and night

you can bet they are going to show videos of every dem saying things against trump




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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:57 PM

39. "Standing in that powder keg, did he light the match?"

Answers his question by rolling the tape of tRump at the Jan. 6 rally where he repeats the need to stop the steal as the crowd chants back, fight for tRump! fight for tRump!

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:02 PM

41. Just laid out the point that tRump argued and lead his followers to believe:

That when you catch people engaged in a fraud, you can play by different rules.

Then cut to the video of giuliani at the Jan. 6 rally calling for trial by combat, for which tRump immediately praises him for his bravery.

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:04 PM

42. "He cared more about turning over an election than saving lives."

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:06 PM

43. For five hours during the attack he did nothing, but issue messages in the afternoon that sided

with the attackers. (paraphrased)

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:09 PM

45. There are two parts of his dereliction of duty:

1. What he did to Mike Pence - singled him out by tweet at 2:24 pm, during the attack

2. When the police were still being attacked, still barricaded with poles - he tweeted that he loved the attackers

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:11 PM

46. House managers have been great

They made the point absolutely clear if anyone open to it. They will let him off but hopefully enough people watched this and realized what Trump did.

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:11 PM

47. "If his crimes are to go unanswered, who's to say it won't happen again."

Final remark by Neguse

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:12 PM

48. Raskin closing up 5 or 6 hours under time allotted

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Response to Lars39 (Reply #48)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:21 PM

52. Yes. He should. Getting repetitive.

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:14 PM

49. Raskin giving. Short history lesson

Love his mind!

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:17 PM

50. will the defense start this afternoon?

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Response to IcyPeas (Reply #50)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:26 PM

54. no defense

until tomorrow.

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #54)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:26 PM

55. thanks.

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:24 PM

53. Raskin implored those who objected to the trial

based on the question of Constitutionality, to let that go not only because it is without merit, but because it is besides the point as they are tasked with hearing out the prosecution in a trial in which they are sworn to participate.

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Thatís a really rough paraphrasing.

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:28 PM

56. The prosecution rests, and the Senate is adjourned until 12pm ET tomorrow.

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Response to underpants (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:28 PM

57. underpants.... I've been waiting to ask...... what's with the 🧈

🧈

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Response to IcyPeas (Reply #57)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:37 PM

60. Made me laugh, but I'm also curious if the butter's a joke I missed

Otherwise, kudos to underpants for the leading emojis ó hearts yesterday, and then stars today ó helped me get back to the page with a sea of tabs opened.

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Response to Mersky (Reply #60)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:43 PM

62. Thanks

I put that in there today as a Butter Emails reference joke.

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Response to underpants (Reply #62)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:47 PM

63. I did think of

buttery males & not just because Iíve barely eaten a thing today. Am gonna go fix that.

Thank you for the threads these days - really made it easier for me to follow along!

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Response to IcyPeas (Reply #57)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:41 PM

61. For some reason it was in my most used emojis

I threw it in in a Butter Emails kind of joke. I canít believe anyone noticed.

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