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dlk

(11,537 posts)
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 10:13 PM Feb 2021

As powerful as witnesses would have been at the impeachment trial,

Testifying would have put a target on their backs that deranged Trumpers would be only too happy take shots at. House Democrats made the right call and gave us a powerful presentation without witnesses, and without risking further loss of life.

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As powerful as witnesses would have been at the impeachment trial, (Original Post) dlk Feb 2021 OP
I hadn't thought of that. You're absolutely right. Squinch Feb 2021 #1
We are fortunate to have such wise and compassionate leadership in the House dlk Feb 2021 #4
That has been my point, they would have been torn to shreds. Irish_Dem Feb 2021 #2
Exactly dlk Feb 2021 #5
The managers knew what they were doing right down the line. Irish_Dem Feb 2021 #7
Yes dlk Feb 2021 #10
All the video and audio of actual Trumpers outing themselves was pretty effective anyway...nt Wounded Bear Feb 2021 #3
The House Managers have put on a stellar case dlk Feb 2021 #8
A decision to call witnesses can still happen SCantiGOP Feb 2021 #6
Even so, I don't see Democrats taking the risk dlk Feb 2021 #9
I agree, though. Neither side wants to drag this out... Wounded Bear Feb 2021 #11
Exactly dlk Feb 2021 #12
Same as if there is a jury trial.... kentuck Feb 2021 #13
There are 100 witnesses present. Anyhow, video is vastly more compelling than witnesses. lagomorph777 Feb 2021 #14
Our House Managers presented an excellent case dlk Feb 2021 #15
+1000 lagomorph777 Feb 2021 #16
They also would have been cross-examined by defense counsel and Senators StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #17
Agreed, they have been traumatized enough dlk Feb 2021 #19
I do, however, have a fantasy scenario StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #18
Yes, that would be quite a dramatic moment! dlk Feb 2021 #20
Since it's my fantasy scenario, I get to script it StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #21
Perfect! dlk Feb 2021 #22

dlk

(11,537 posts)
8. The House Managers have put on a stellar case
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 10:32 PM
Feb 2021

I couldn’t be prouder of the Democrats. They survived this trauma and came back to prosecute their case in a most effective way.

SCantiGOP

(13,867 posts)
6. A decision to call witnesses can still happen
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 10:28 PM
Feb 2021

A timeline on CNN says that the matter can be brought up during the Q&A that will take place after the Trump defense finishes their testimony tomorrow or Saturday.

Wounded Bear

(58,618 posts)
11. I agree, though. Neither side wants to drag this out...
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 09:38 AM
Feb 2021

Dems have shit to get done, and repubs are just bored with it all.

kentuck

(111,069 posts)
13. Same as if there is a jury trial....
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 12:03 PM
Feb 2021

The jurors will be threatened and will fear for their lives.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
17. They also would have been cross-examined by defense counsel and Senators
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 12:15 PM
Feb 2021

The last thing these people need is to be put in the position of getting publicly badgered and abused by Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley.

dlk

(11,537 posts)
19. Agreed, they have been traumatized enough
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 12:21 PM
Feb 2021

Questioning by hostile Republicans, not to uncover the truth but to score political points, would only retraumatize witnesses and become a distraction. This isn’t a normal trial, as evidenced by Republican senator jurors colluding with the defense counsel.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
18. I do, however, have a fantasy scenario
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 12:20 PM
Feb 2021

That right before everything wraps up, Jamie Raskin takes to the podium and says, "Mr. President. The House Managers call a rebuttal witness ...

Whereupon, the Sergeant-at-Arms steps up and bellows: "Mr. President. The former Vice President of the United States, Michael Pence!"

The doors swing open and Mike Pence strolls down the aisle.

A girl can dream ...

dlk

(11,537 posts)
20. Yes, that would be quite a dramatic moment!
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 12:26 PM
Feb 2021

No telling what kind of sycophantic nonsense he would actually say, though, and it’s very odd he doesn’t seem to notice his Republican friends have no regard at all for his life.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
21. Since it's my fantasy scenario, I get to script it
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 12:42 PM
Feb 2021

And in my script, Pence has had a complete change of heart, realizes he was abused and manipulated and almost killed by Trump and his supporters. So his testimony will be so devastating that the Senate will convict Trump by a vote of 96-0 (Cruz, Hawley, Graham and Tuberville were lured out of the chamber on a ruse that Trump wants to meet with them at the Trump Hotel. so they missed the vote while riding around in a car driven by a Capitol Police Officer only too happy to do this duty for the country).

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