Fri Feb 12, 2021, 07:50 PM
StarfishSaver (18,486 posts)
BREAKING: New details about Trump-McCarthy shouting match show Trump refused to call off the riotersIn an expletive-laced phone call with House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy while the Capitol was under attack, then-President Donald Trump said the rioters cared more about the election results than McCarthy did.
"Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are," Trump said, according to lawmakers who were briefed on the call afterward by McCarthy. McCarthy insisted that the rioters were Trump's supporters and begged Trump to call them off. Trump's comment set off what Republican lawmakers familiar with the call described as a shouting match between the two men. A furious McCarthy told the President the rioters were breaking into his office through the windows, and asked Trump, "Who the f--k do you think you are talking to?" according to a Republican lawmaker familiar with the call. https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/12/politics/trump-mccarthy-shouting-match-details/index.html
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StarfishSaver | Feb 2021 | OP |
underpants | Feb 2021 | #1 | |
LeftInTX | Feb 2021 | #2 | |
Yavin4 | Feb 2021 | #3 | |
Laelth | Feb 2021 | #4 | |
ancianita | Feb 2021 | #25 | |
Laelth | Feb 2021 | #38 | |
ancianita | Feb 2021 | #40 | |
Laelth | Feb 2021 | #42 | |
ancianita | Feb 2021 | #44 | |
MN2theMax | Feb 2021 | #5 | |
brewens | Feb 2021 | #6 | |
jmowreader | Feb 2021 | #36 | |
ancianita | Feb 2021 | #47 | |
triron | Feb 2021 | #48 | |
ancianita | Feb 2021 | #49 | |
dpibel | Feb 2021 | #52 | |
sdfernando | Feb 2021 | #53 | |
C_U_L8R | Feb 2021 | #7 | |
crickets | Feb 2021 | #12 | |
Dream Girl | Feb 2021 | #13 | |
uponit7771 | Feb 2021 | #17 | |
stopwastingmymoney | Feb 2021 | #29 | |
dalton99a | Feb 2021 | #8 | |
Amaryllis | Feb 2021 | #9 | |
milestogo | Feb 2021 | #19 | |
BumRushDaShow | Feb 2021 | #20 | |
drray23 | Feb 2021 | #10 | |
BigmanPigman | Feb 2021 | #30 | |
Solomon | Feb 2021 | #37 | |
flibbitygiblets | Feb 2021 | #54 | |
Maraya1969 | Feb 2021 | #11 | |
StarfishSaver | Feb 2021 | #15 | |
My Pet Orangutan | Feb 2021 | #22 | |
StarfishSaver | Feb 2021 | #23 | |
januoro | Feb 2021 | #14 | |
BumRushDaShow | Feb 2021 | #16 | |
Hermit-The-Prog | Feb 2021 | #18 | |
Takket | Feb 2021 | #21 | |
mcar | Feb 2021 | #27 | |
matt819 | Feb 2021 | #24 | |
hurple | Feb 2021 | #26 | |
niyad | Feb 2021 | #35 | |
mcar | Feb 2021 | #28 | |
onecaliberal | Feb 2021 | #31 | |
madamesilverspurs | Feb 2021 | #32 | |
ancianita | Feb 2021 | #33 | |
sprinkleeninow | Feb 2021 | #34 | |
Nevilledog | Feb 2021 | #39 | |
ffr | Feb 2021 | #41 | |
Squinch | Feb 2021 | #56 | |
triron | Feb 2021 | #43 | |
triron | Feb 2021 | #45 | |
triron | Feb 2021 | #46 | |
superpatriotman | Feb 2021 | #50 | |
NoMoreRepugs | Feb 2021 | #51 | |
crickets | Feb 2021 | #55 | |
Squinch | Feb 2021 | #57 | |
Pachamama | Feb 2021 | #58 | |
Wawannabe | Feb 2021 | #59 |
Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 07:53 PM
underpants (169,480 posts)
1. Nice timing by the leaker
Trying to clear their air as the impeachment trial ends.
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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 07:54 PM
LeftInTX (18,836 posts)
2. Yet, McCarthy voted to object the election results of at least one state
Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 07:56 PM
Yavin4 (33,162 posts)
3. When Kevin said to Trump, "Who the f--k do you think you are talking to?"...
I don't think that Kevin wanted an honest answer there. I highly doubt that.
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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 07:56 PM
Laelth (32,013 posts)
4. Tragic that this didn't make it into the official record.
This is really damning.
-Laelth |
Response to Laelth (Reply #4)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:43 PM
ancianita (26,478 posts)
25. Why shouldn't it during the managers' rebuttal?
It's only "inadmissible" evidence in a court of law.
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Response to ancianita (Reply #25)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 09:01 PM
Laelth (32,013 posts)
38. I suppose it could.
I certainly hope it does.
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Response to Laelth (Reply #38)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 09:06 PM
ancianita (26,478 posts)
40. It's so compelling,
I hope it does, too.
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Response to ancianita (Reply #40)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 09:24 PM
Laelth (32,013 posts)
42. It's not a question, to me, of whether or not the leakers are protected.
The Senate is not required to follow traditional, judicial branch evidence rules. The Senate can admit any evidence it wants. For me, the issue is timing. This evidence may not get into the record because it was discovered so late. Still, it could get in. It just needs to be on record before the final vote.
-Laelth |
Response to Laelth (Reply #42)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 09:27 PM
ancianita (26,478 posts)
44. Agreed.
There's no need to verify its accuracy at the point of rebuttal. The true source will come out later, and there will be no fight McCarthy can put up about it, because he knows it's been recorded by a three-letter agency.
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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 07:56 PM
MN2theMax (311 posts)
5. Interesting timing for sure
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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 07:58 PM
brewens (11,349 posts)
6. I'll tell you who he thought he was talking to, one of his stooges. That's all they would have
been if Trump had gotten away with it, and it was pretty much how he'd been looking at them all along.
That was maybe why the Supreme Court couldn't have been counted on to save his ass. I'd say Thomas and Justice Hand Maid would have just blindly obeyed, but no one else. Even Kavanaugh would have known better. If they did that, they wouldn't be a Supreme Court anymore. Trump would have ended up with a House and Senate under his control. He would be able to have any justice impeached and removed, if they even bothered to go through the motions. He could decree he had the power and just do it as emperor. |
Response to brewens (Reply #6)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:59 PM
jmowreader (47,259 posts)
36. IIRC he thought he was talking to Tuberville
Response to jmowreader (Reply #36)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 09:39 PM
ancianita (26,478 posts)
47. Except that, according to the CNN report in the OP, "Well, Kevin ...."
Response to ancianita (Reply #47)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 09:41 PM
triron (20,108 posts)
48. Trump knew damn well who he was talking to.
Response to triron (Reply #48)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 09:48 PM
ancianita (26,478 posts)
49. You and I know that. I'm trying to help jmowreader's recall.
Response to jmowreader (Reply #36)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 10:37 PM
dpibel (1,862 posts)
52. Different call
Trump dialed Mike Lee, thinking he was dialing Tuberville. Rudy did the same later in the day.
The McCarthy call was a different one. |
Response to brewens (Reply #6)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 10:39 PM
sdfernando (4,220 posts)
53. Makes me wonder why
McQarthy flew down to Merd de leggo and faced the 90 second mushroom again????
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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 07:58 PM
C_U_L8R (42,150 posts)
7. Republicans need to realize this is not over.
With every prosecution, hundreds of them,
for conspiracy, insurrection, murder, sedition, etc this Trump treason will be brought out to the limelight, For years. Years. You realize that Republicans? Now what side are you gonna choose to be on through all that? Good fucking luck. |
Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #7)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:03 PM
crickets (20,741 posts)
12. Yep. I have a feeling things are just getting started. /pacino
Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #7)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:03 PM
Dream Girl (5,111 posts)
13. Lots of movies and televises series...
“Republican Senators voted to acquit Donal Trump” forever more
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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #7)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:49 PM
stopwastingmymoney (1,628 posts)
29. Excellent point
Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 07:59 PM
dalton99a (68,337 posts)
8. Kick
Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:01 PM
Amaryllis (9,434 posts)
9. ANy chance this could be brought up tomorrow? I dont know the procedure. It's
closing arguments, right?
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Response to Amaryllis (Reply #9)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:13 PM
milestogo (12,239 posts)
19. Well hopefully they at least hear about it if they watch the headlines.
Response to Amaryllis (Reply #9)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:16 PM
BumRushDaShow (96,270 posts)
20. I would think they could add it to the closing arguments
although it might get batted aside "hearsay".
What will happen after the vote is that all of this has to be taken "to the court of public opinion", although it will end up competing with the COVID relief efforts and other economic policy matters. However it should be packaged for EVERY STATE so that the state party heads can use it to tie these loons to the GOP members running in their states and force them to take a stand. |
Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:01 PM
drray23 (6,517 posts)
10. and yet he did not vote to impeach Trump.
What the hell is wrong with these assholes ?
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Response to drray23 (Reply #10)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:50 PM
BigmanPigman (45,917 posts)
30. I know it!
I think the reason I don't understand their behavior is because their behavior and thought process is foreign to me and how I have been raised and lived my life. They must have a different value system and different levels of self esteem and respect.
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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #30)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 09:00 PM
Solomon (11,553 posts)
37. Shamelessness is their superpower.
Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:01 PM
Maraya1969 (19,471 posts)
11. Yea this should have been brought up during the trial!
Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #11)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:09 PM
StarfishSaver (18,486 posts)
15. They probably didn't know it.
New information is going to be rolling out for months.
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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #15)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:18 PM
My Pet Orangutan (5,086 posts)
22. The question is ... should there not have been a second article of impeachment,
alleging dereliction of duty as Commander in Chief during the riot?
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Response to My Pet Orangutan (Reply #22)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:22 PM
StarfishSaver (18,486 posts)
23. I don't think so
Dereliction of duty is an essential element of the insurrection article.
And a second article wouldn't have made a difference at all - except to give people something else to criticize ("The dereliction of duty charge wasn't necessary and just confused and distracted. They should have just charged him with one thing".) |
Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:08 PM
januoro (70 posts)
14. The media is eager to paint the GOP as normal
McCarthy is a trump lover. The Republican party is Trump's party.
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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:09 PM
BumRushDaShow (96,270 posts)
16. Well...
![]() ![]() I remember the news reports as the Capitol invasion was going on (I was watching CSPAN and listening to my local CBS affiliate news radio station) and the commentators were indicating that multiple people were trying to get a hold of 45 and eventually, it was reported, the "only" one who supposedly made contact was McCarthy. Supposedly people were even trying to get his kids to intervene. At this point, the fodder needs to be banked for election time - and not just 2022, but literally for THIS year for any states that might have state legislative seats up. They need to define the GOP as supporters of insurrection. |
Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:11 PM
Hermit-The-Prog (19,729 posts)
18. Poor Qevin (Q-CA) haz a mad at the Insurrectionist-in-Chief.
Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:17 PM
Takket (16,536 posts)
21. and yet..........
here he is, kissing the ring, of person who left him for dead
i just cannot explain how these people think. and frankly, i'm proud of that. ![]() |
Response to Takket (Reply #21)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:44 PM
mcar (38,739 posts)
27. Begging for IMPOTUS II's donor records
is what CNN is reporting.
These people are amoral, unAmerican idiots. |
Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:42 PM
matt819 (10,440 posts)
24. And they'll still vote to acquit
They are immoral, cowardly, and treasonous. And these traits will be in the first lines of their obituaries.
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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:43 PM
hurple (1,201 posts)
26. This should be brought up in the trial...
As evidence that McCarthy knows who was responsible for the riot... or, at least, did know on the day it happened.
Trump's counsel should be asked why trump refused McCarthy's request... |
Response to hurple (Reply #26)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:56 PM
niyad (86,994 posts)
35. INSURRECTION, not riot.
Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:44 PM
mcar (38,739 posts)
28. Does this help at all, do you think SS?
I'm thinking no, it's too late. Which makes me wonder why now?
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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:51 PM
onecaliberal (24,277 posts)
31. I think this matters more than anything else to republicans.
Trump couldn’t have cared less if the mob would have assassinated Pence or any lawmakers. I hope the House Managers stress that point in their closing arguments.
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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:52 PM
madamesilverspurs (15,084 posts)
32. "according to lawmakers who were briefed on the call..."
So a number of GOP members of congress had this information prior to the trial and chose to keep it quiet until now. The party has jettisoned any remaining shred of loyalty to the county.
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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:53 PM
ancianita (26,478 posts)
33. Yet he goes to Mar-a-lago, remembering that he is only one whiney jackal in Trump's pack.
Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:54 PM
sprinkleeninow (15,581 posts)
34. Cable news--QGOP: the deadly Jan.6 capitol break-in riot not dЯump's fault or responsibility
Go screw yourselves in Slovak.
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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 09:04 PM
Nevilledog (36,285 posts)
39. ...
Link to tweet Tweet text:
Jesse Lee @JesseCharlesLee The more I think about Trump’s quote here, the more revelatory it is that Trump truly viewed the attack as a way to physically terrorize Congress into overturning the election. That’s exactly why he didn’t call them off. Greg Sargent @ThePlumLineGS Wow. "Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are," Trump said to Kevin McCarthy, sources tell CNN. Rioters were breaking through windows into McCarthy's office. https://cnn.com/2021/02/12/politics/trump-mccarthy-shouting-match-details/index.html… 5:57 PM · Feb 12, 2021 |
Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 09:10 PM
ffr (21,422 posts)
41. DOES NOT pass the smell test.
I don't by any of this. Not one word.
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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 09:26 PM
triron (20,108 posts)
43. Now the need to call witnesses becomes more pressing Do it! WTF not?
Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 09:32 PM
triron (20,108 posts)
46. kick again
Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 09:55 PM
superpatriotman (5,843 posts)
50. I don't believe it for a second
McCarthy does not have a spine.
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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 10:26 PM
NoMoreRepugs (6,894 posts)
51. This story is delicious.
Response to NoMoreRepugs (Reply #51)
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 10:43 PM
crickets (20,741 posts)
55. Isn't it though? I keep hoping another shoe will drop. nt
Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 09:33 AM
Squinch (42,436 posts)
57. McCarthys reply seems to have the following subtext:
"I'm not one of those idiots who actually believes the crap you spew."
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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 06:54 PM
Pachamama (16,467 posts)
58. I can only imagine what Trump's answer to that was....
He probably told his little Kevin that he is just like what he feels entitled to grab on women....
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Response to StarfishSaver (Original post)
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 07:45 PM
Wawannabe (4,407 posts)
59. ...
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