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Fri Feb 12, 2021, 07:59 PM

I feel like the occupation of the Capitol and the impeachment

are an opportunity to literally crush the right wing crazies and their white supremacist leaders. We could snuff this out right now, but are failing and will fail to do so. We will rue this missed opportunity in the months and years to come as the violence escalates.

I can forsee a time when you would fear to enter some ares of the country as there will be road blocks and ID checks, and woe be to the Liberal who gets caught.

I think we're blowing it as a country, like the Weimar Republic did in the 1920s and 30s.

Talk me down.

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Reply I feel like the occupation of the Capitol and the impeachment (Original post)
CanonRay Feb 2021 OP
WarGamer Feb 2021 #1
CanonRay Feb 2021 #3
WarGamer Feb 2021 #4
CanonRay Feb 2021 #7
WarGamer Feb 2021 #12
pfitz59 Feb 2021 #29
WarGamer Feb 2021 #30
bdamomma Feb 2021 #16
WarGamer Feb 2021 #28
SlogginThroughIt Feb 2021 #8
CanonRay Feb 2021 #11
panader0 Feb 2021 #23
CanonRay Feb 2021 #24
TwilightZone Feb 2021 #2
CanonRay Feb 2021 #5
TwilightZone Feb 2021 #14
CanonRay Feb 2021 #17
Irish_Dem Feb 2021 #6
bdamomma Feb 2021 #19
Irish_Dem Feb 2021 #20
bamagal62 Feb 2021 #9
appalachiablue Feb 2021 #10
WarGamer Feb 2021 #13
TwilightZone Feb 2021 #15
WarGamer Feb 2021 #26
meadowlander Feb 2021 #18
Hekate Feb 2021 #22
meadowlander Feb 2021 #25
Hekate Feb 2021 #32
WarGamer Feb 2021 #27
Hekate Feb 2021 #21
JI7 Feb 2021 #31
mahina Apr 2022 #33

Response to CanonRay (Original post)

Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:00 PM

1. What's your alternative course of action?

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Response to WarGamer (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:02 PM

3. I don't have one

We need the McCarthys and McConnells to step up, and they won't.

I'm not saying the Dems are failing, the Constitution and our nation are failing.

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Response to CanonRay (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:04 PM

4. What would that do?

Convict Trump and then so what?

Whatcha' going to do with 74 Million assholes?

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Response to WarGamer (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:06 PM

7. Valid point. I have no idea.

But if Trump and those who assisted him were convicted and jail, lots of these people would fade away.

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Response to CanonRay (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:10 PM

12. No they wouldn't. Trump is just the symptom, not the disease.

If you want to TRULY change the USA, it will take GOOD GOVERNANCE.

SHOW the people.

Great economy, jobs for all, a working social safety net starting with $1200 MINIMUM Social Security checks. Fairness throughout society and wealth equity. Tax each Wall Street transaction. 5% one-time Wealth Tax for those above $500k in net worth. Tax capital gains as regular income. WHY should a welder pay more tax for his blood, sweat and tears that produced $100k income than the rich guy who makes 100k in the stock market driving his golf cart around?

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Response to WarGamer (Reply #12)

Fri Feb 12, 2021, 09:23 PM

29. The Law of Attraction

"Build it, and they will come."

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Response to pfitz59 (Reply #29)

Fri Feb 12, 2021, 09:23 PM

30. precisely.

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Response to WarGamer (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:16 PM

16. Deprogram them

Cut the head off the serpent...and let them go under their rocks.

Or we will be living with our own Isis insurgency.

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #16)

Fri Feb 12, 2021, 09:20 PM

28. Kinda like the Uighurs?

This isn't a simple problem and with our Constitution... the solutions are not so simple.

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Response to CanonRay (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:06 PM

8. So WE are failing

 

So WE are failing because McConnel and McCarthy won't step up?

Ok....

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Response to SlogginThroughIt (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:07 PM

11. We. As in the USA. Collectively.

Our institutions have failed.

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Response to CanonRay (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:37 PM

23. Congress met and confirmed the electoral vote the same day as the insurrection.

It did not fail.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #23)

Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:39 PM

24. Our inability to remove or even sanction a lawless President

is a major failure.

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Response to CanonRay (Original post)

Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:02 PM

2. "We could snuff this out right now"

Since you seem to be quite certain in your assertion, let's here how you plan to do it.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:04 PM

5. See my response above. We can't succeed alone.

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Response to CanonRay (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:14 PM

14. We're not alone.

With Biden in the WH, we will most assuredly rebuild international relationships. He's doing so already.

Still don't understand how that makes you so confident that we could wipe out the threat and neutralize the nuts on the right (which are currently about half the party) if we just try. Unless we can find a way to get super-majorities in both Houses (not happening), the battle will rage on.

That doesn't mean that the apocalypse is nigh. It just means that it's a problem that doesn't have an easy solution and isn't going away anytime soon.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #14)

Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:17 PM

17. OK. Maybe not wipe out, but certainly turn the tide

but I think we're slip sliding into chaos.

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Response to CanonRay (Original post)

Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:04 PM

6. The GOP is fracturing. McConnell has lost his caucus, his position and his power.

Trump's base is shrinking, and probably not enough now to win an election with the split from the traditional GOP.

Trump threw his mob under the bus today, maybe they will re-think their priorities.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:21 PM

19. I bet

his mob is not too happy to be "thrown under the bus from their mob boss.




The mob is the mother of tyrants....Diogenes

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:23 PM

20. Yes usually the made men feel like they have protection.

When they don't the crime family begins to fall apart.

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Response to CanonRay (Original post)

Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:06 PM

9. Well, when there are a whole bunch of our senators

That are racist, right wing crazies, not sure what we can do. Plus, many of them are up to their necks in rubles. We should have shined the light on this long ago. But, we didn’t, and, now, here we are. It’s so deep and wide, I struggle to see how we get out of it.

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Response to CanonRay (Original post)

Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:07 PM

10. Concern that these groups & actions will grow

over the years is valid. Like gunz and more. What can be done to diffuse the menace?

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:12 PM

13. A successful progressive society will fix it.

SHOW the people how well a FAIR and FUNCTIONING society can work and how pleasant it is to live in one.

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Response to WarGamer (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:16 PM

15. This is the American public you're talking about.

There is solid evidence that everything is better (economy, human rights, health care, etc.) when the president is a Democrat. That's been the case for decades and tens of millions of yahoos still think we're the evil Satan. Some literally.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 12, 2021, 09:15 PM

26. But we're not there yet.

There is no wealth equity.

The minimum Social Security payment is ~$600.

Establish REAL social and economic equity and that will unite most Americans.

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Response to CanonRay (Original post)

Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:19 PM

18. It's for Republicans, their voters and donors, to clean up their own house.

All Democrats can do is the right thing and lead by example.

You can't "snuff out" stupid. All you can do is stop funding it, pointing cameras at it and giving it platforms to spread.

Note that the only thing that has actually worked in the past four years is big donors pulling their money after the riots. The only measurable impact we can likely have is holding feet to the fire of all the GOP business community donors who are smart enough to realise that supporting fascism loses them customers.

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Response to meadowlander (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:36 PM

22. A whole bunch of people have to go to prison for a whole bunch of years...

Otherwise, the Alt-Right/Boogaloo Bois/Proud Boys/White Supremacists/3%ers/ Nazis/KKK will learn nothing from this experience that we want them to learn. It will indeed have been a dress-rehearsal for the real thing.

Existing laws will have to be invoked. New laws defining Domestic Terrorism will have to be enacted and invoked.

Change will not happen because Democrats “set a good example.” The GOP has been overtaken by radicals, so that moderates like Mitt Romney are now on the fringe. They effing tried to effing overthrow the government. They are trying to start Civil War 2. They aren’t joking.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #22)

Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:41 PM

25. It's not up to Democratic lawmakers to decide who DoJ prosecutes or not.

I agree that a lot of people need to go to jail for substantial prison terms. But that's not something the Democratic party specifically can or should be taking the lead on.

Appoint an attorney general and let DoJ do impartial justice.

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Response to meadowlander (Reply #25)

Fri Feb 12, 2021, 10:17 PM

32. If I understand correctly, it is the Legislature that passes laws. Right?

So off to the House we go, in search of adequate laws for the present day.

At which point, the DOJ has more to work with.

https://www.propublica.org/article/domestic-terrorism-a-more-urgent-threat-but-weaker-laws

But federal authorities have had more success combating international terrorists than those with a domestic focus, reflecting legal limits on investigations of American political groups, the opaque and elusive nature of the threat, and President Donald Trump’s embrace of far-right groups, experts say.

One fundamental problem is that while federal statutes provide a definition of domestic terrorism, there is not a specific law outlawing it.

The reasons date to 1975, when an inquiry by the Church Committee of the U.S. Senate documented that the FBI had abused its powers by engaging in a pattern of spying on American citizens in groups ranging from the Black Panthers to the Ku Klux Klan. The government placed strict limits on the ability of the FBI and other agencies to infiltrate and track such organizations, with new laws and rules establishing more rigorous requirements for surveillance on Americans than foreigners. Today, FBI counterterrorism officials make a point of saying they target individuals rather than groups, and violent acts rather than ideologies.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #22)

Fri Feb 12, 2021, 09:17 PM

27. How do you suggest the prosecutors deal with change of venue requests and

Juries with 6 Trumpists on board?

Once they get the trial moved to Burning Cross County, they'll be safe.

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Response to CanonRay (Original post)

Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:28 PM

21. Sorry, can't talk you down. Just listened to Malcolm Nance on Joy Reid's show...

He says we are in for a very rough ride over a period of years — “insurgency” was the word he used. Repeated acts of violence.

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Response to CanonRay (Original post)

Fri Feb 12, 2021, 09:31 PM

31. Movies are not real life

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Response to CanonRay (Original post)

Sat Apr 9, 2022, 12:22 AM

33. I'd really like to be able to visit my great grandmothers land she saved for us

In the South that my Auntie paid taxes on her whole life.

It’s like 300$/year and lots of acres on top of a hill.

Everyone who lives around that spot or at least every family is related to us from my great grandmother‘s side. They’re also extremely far right. They’ve been lovely when we’ve met a few who’ve come out to Hawaii; you can tell they think we’re super strange and they’re being kind. We’re just very different.

Before all of this I had thought to make a place there for our family to go in the event of climate catastrophe or other natural disaster because all of us live here in the islands. Now I really don’t know. Covid burned through there like a wildfire and they still think it’s a cold. It’s just a mystery .

Well not really totally a mystery- it’s hard to imagine how they fell for it, but I know how they were sold it, and now I know by whom.

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