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From Wiki:
Dennis Hastert was the first Speaker of the House to use this as the only criterion for allowing a vote on legislation. And the effect of this was to eliminate the idea of compromise. Under Hastert, and Newt Gingrich, and Paul Ryan, only GOP ideas could be voted on.
So when pundits call for reaching out, and bipartisan compromise, remember that the GOP operates under the idea that any compromise really means that Democratic lawmakers must adopt the GOP position.
MagickMuffin
(17,060 posts)I'm almost certain the White Supremacists Party wouldn't have an issue with it.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)Well, they do use the double standard.
LazySusanNot
(192 posts)This practice used for good instead of evil is a measured and appropriate way to right some wrongs. As evidenced by the 43 yesterday, there ain't no middle ground to be had here.
MagickMuffin
(17,060 posts)And we are stuck with Cornyn for an additional 6 years, and Coup Cruz for 4 more.
LazySusanNot
(192 posts)and we've all seen where that got us. I agree that Democrats can do better and this procedural "sword that cut's both ways" is problematic. IMO that doesnt mean just giving away the advantage. Use it as a negotiating tool for a better method going forward. Some kind of longterm rules that everyone can play by = Good Government in my book.
If they wont play fair, well
that's why it's called a rule.
uponit7771
(91,613 posts)... acting like these people are interested in a democracy to move forward
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)BComplex
(9,037 posts)They've never believed in our form of government.
rgbecker
(4,876 posts)If, in a house controlled by the Republicans, say 50 Republicans agreed with the Democratic position and the measure could pass and move on the Senate, it would be stopped from ever even be allowed to go to vote.
Just one more way the a GOP minority can put a stop to getting something done for America.
The GOP is the permanent minority Party.
gulliver
(13,319 posts)I think if it's possible to work out a compromise to make progress, then we should work out a compromise. Success is what will sell and lock in Democratic leadership more than anything else. I'm sick of 50-50. The Dem approach, especially what's going on now with the Biden Administration can get us to a 60-40 lead over the broken unit Republicans.
I think a lot of Republicans like Jim Jordan, etc., put on a major show of fanatic loyalty because they are dirty in their private lives. Trump may do this too. If you're a crook or a pervert, it pays to be a Republican fanatic. When they're caught with their hands in the cookie jar or somewhere else they shouldn't be, these Republicans can just play the partisan martyr card. Republicans will defend any level of lowness if it is perpetrated by someone with an R after their name.
redstatebluegirl
(12,474 posts)That figures, named it after a sexual predator.
leftieNanner
(15,673 posts)and has been out for a few years.
Mazeltov Cocktail
(569 posts)Rebl2
(14,561 posts)Thought he died a couple years ago
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)My F-I-L believed, or claimed to believe, that the Hastert sex abuse case was a "liberal hoax" until the day he died, despite all of the evidence in the case.
My F-I-L was a very level-headed and intelligent man. A Republican, for sure, but not a right wing crazy by any stretch of the imagination. I think he saw the truth, but just couldn't accept seeing his old pal Denny in that light.
redstatebluegirl
(12,474 posts)The Illinois Secretary of State who had shoeboxes of money hidden in his office.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)ProfessorGAC
(69,654 posts)Couple occasions. Also, dinner with him & his wife.
A couple of dreadful, sanctimonious people.
paleotn
(19,076 posts)Oh, that. Technically, yes, but it may not really mean what many think. In reality, anything from the Sedition Party right now is so nutty or filled with so many poison pills that compromise is impossible. But, if you mean compromise between the left and right of the Democratic Party, hey, I'm all for that.
William Seger
(11,020 posts)... if they can't uphold their oaths to defend the Constitution against a wanna be fascist dictator. Push past them like they're not even there -- they should not even be asked what they think of any legislation -- and we should laugh in their faces when they whine about it.
Lonestarblue
(11,685 posts)Members of the GQP have not been interested in governing for decades. They want only power to stay in Washington while doing nothing but tax cuts for their wealthy donorsand themselves since most of them are wealthy. They are content to see democracy die and permanent Republican rule replace it.
RussellCattle
(1,743 posts).....through gerrymandering and voter suppression and you see again why the republicans have no interest in compromise.
LazySusanNot
(192 posts)Never forget Tom Delay....
BobTheSubgenius
(11,774 posts)Seems kind of appropriate to this OP, actually.
central scrutinizer
(12,440 posts)Who gives a shit about the plight of Americans? If life doesnt improve dramatically, the anger will directed at the party in power. 2022 will be a disaster if vaccinations stall, schools dont reopen, sports, concerts, restaurants, houses of worship, etc., dont reopen.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)A repeat of what they did in 2009.
Fla Dem
(25,627 posts)keithbvadu2
(39,916 posts)Thr Hastert rule is his chair by the boys' shower room for his viewing pleasure.
FakeNoose
(35,508 posts)We Democrats can do better, we need to set standards for the next generation.
ENOUGH of this shit!