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Celerity

(42,666 posts)
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 11:25 PM Feb 2021

IF the parliamentarian tosses the wage increase from reconciliation, will 10 Rethugs support 11/hr?

Zero chance we can get 15/hr if it is a standalone bill, and the Rethugs will filibuster ANY increase (many want to remove ANY minimum wage).

Will 10 Rethugs vote for cloture on 11/hr?

10/hr?

9/hr?

8/hr?

A one cent raise to 7.26?



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getagrip_already

(14,250 posts)
1. it onlt takes 51 votes to over ride the parlimentarian.....
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 11:35 PM
Feb 2021

the gop did it to pass the tax cuts.

We "could" do the same thing, if we had the votes.

Celerity

(42,666 posts)
5. No, the Presiding Officer of the Senate has to overrule, and the last time it happened was 1975
Wed Feb 24, 2021, 12:30 AM
Feb 2021

The role of the parliamentary staff is advisory, and the Presiding Officer may overrule the advice of the parliamentarian. In practice this is rare, and the most recent example of a Vice President (as President of the Senate) overruling the parliamentarian was Nelson Rockefeller in 1975.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RS20544.pdf

getagrip_already

(14,250 posts)
8. Hmmm, well, ok then,....
Wed Feb 24, 2021, 08:00 PM
Feb 2021

It only takes 51 votes to eliminate the filibuster for a particular bill.

All we need is 50 senators to agree, then craft a bill among themselves.

Interesting point though. I'll have to find where I heard that. I think it was on Kagro, but not positive.

Celerity

(42,666 posts)
9. Manchin, Sinema, and Feinstein (plus maybe more) will not vote to do away with the filibuster to
Wed Feb 24, 2021, 08:39 PM
Feb 2021

pass a standalone bill. They have said it over and over and over. It is not going to happen. I want it to happen, you want it to happen, tens of millions want it to happen, but it isn't going to. The system is broken. The US Constitution has multiple long-wave massive systemic flaws that are now (and have been) coming home to roost. Examples are the Senate itself (soon 30% of the population will control 70%of the Senate seats, and that 30% is, on average, far more RW, far more fundie religious, far whiter, far more racist as a percentage, less educated, far more reactionary, etc. than the other 70%), the Electoral College, the ambiguous, nebulous nature of the 2nd Amendment, the ability of the States to corruptly run FEDERAL elections, the lack of foresight about the confluence of hyper-partisanship and corruption, the lack of proportional representation, etc. etc. etc. These are all long-term ticking Constructional time bombs.

‘We’ve Harmed the Senate Enough’: Why Joe Manchin Won’t Budge on the Filibuster

The moderate senator from West Virginia has a message for his fellow Democrats on muscling through sweeping change.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/30/us/politics/joe-manchin-interview.html

Celerity

(42,666 posts)
6. So Elizabeth MacDonough can pull Manchin's jacobs out of the frying pan if she tosses it, AND
Wed Feb 24, 2021, 12:34 AM
Feb 2021

fuck the country (as if not 10 Rethugs to vote for cloture, any raise is dead).

Well, fuck.

Only hope is VP Harris to overruling MacDonough, and that (PO of the Senate overriding the parliamentarian) has not happened since 1975.

spooky3

(34,302 posts)
3. I thought the CBO report determined that it had major budget impact, so therefore
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 11:41 PM
Feb 2021

it WAS eligible for reconciliation? I don't understand the process.

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