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I am sickened by the lack of responsibility of the news coverage of Tiger Woods.
One look at the pictures of the crime scene and it is obvious that he was going over 100 MPH before he crossed traffic and flipped the car. (Took some classes in forensic science including car wrecks many moons ago)
This asshat was on a public highway driving over 100 mph. He showed no regard for the little people on the road; he wanted to go fast. This is not surprising to me as his complete lack of concern for little people has been ignored his whole career.
Tiger learned at a young age -- it is OK to be a jerk to little people (waiters, bell boys, etc) as long as you were nice to the press. He is the ANTI-STEVE CARLTON. Steve was reportedly nice to all the clubhouse staff, ball boys, waiters, etc (I know some from when he played. They said he was kind to them). But Steve refused to talk to the media so they painted him as a villain. Tiger is always nice to the media. BUT was notorious for how poorly he treated the little people. I know hotel staff, restaurant staff, etc who were berated, stiffed on huge bills with no tip, by Tiger. But he always put on a smile and joked with reporters so he got a free pass.
If this weren't Covid times, how many cars would have been on the road that he might have hit?
Add to that all the REALLY IMPORTANT NEWS from yesterday that got relegated to the second or later segments on local news : the bombshells from the hearings, the Covid bill, etc. and once again the ineptitude of the press just infuriates me. On second thought, it is more pandering than ineptitude -- they want viewers to show advertisers. More calculation than stupidity.
tside the family
I am grateful that no one was hurt by him. I feel no sympathy for him as I am a little person that he would have berated if he had chosen to come to the store down the street from the hotel that the golfers stayed at when the tour was in town when I was working. I know he blasted a co-worker over some perceived problem that was unreasonable for a corner convenience store.
My sister was permanently disabled by a reckless drunk driver -- not sure if he was drunk, on pain meds, or just plain reckless -- I am just grateful that no other family has to deal with the aftermath of Tiger's wreck.
malaise
(267,828 posts)That is all
Pongo
(4,170 posts)Question: were people here this upset when Kevin Hart totaled his muscle car?
malaise
(267,828 posts)Remember the Affluenza kid who killed a family?
samnsara
(17,570 posts)...my local Seattle channels had tiger shit on..turned to cnn..then to msnbc and now Im watching Father Knows best. Hes only interesting to a very few and they called him an athlete... I nearly choked.
Im sorry about what your sister when through....(((hugs)))
PatSeg
(46,804 posts)Our media is so celebrity obsessed, they tend to give a ridiculous amount of coverage to movie stars, musicians, and sports figures. If he had died, it would been nonstop 24/7 coverage for at least a week or two.
Meanwhile, there are so many important stories that actually affect real people in the real world.
area51
(11,868 posts)PatSeg
(46,804 posts)Thank god he didn't kill anyone.
Klaralven
(7,510 posts)diverdownjt
(699 posts)The truth...rich enough to afford American health care. Well said.
Never cared for this guy...don't know why...can't put my finger on it...
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,705 posts)For all his transgressions I never read he was disrespectful to the hoi polloi.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,705 posts)It is much more likely than not it was the latter but I will wait to find out if he was driving one hundred miles per hour.
Vdizzle
(382 posts)Id hate to jump to conclusions.
Irish_Dem
(45,640 posts)And yes we can surmise from the facts in the case, he was traveling at a high rate of speed.
gab13by13
(20,867 posts)But he was obviously speeding.
mnhtnbb
(31,320 posts)said at the press conference he has personally clocked people going 80 mph when he was set up there catching speeders. It's also apparently a well known stretch of road for accidents and speeding.
snpsmom
(638 posts)My brother worked with an optometrist who died in this area. It's quite dangerous.
Klaralven
(7,510 posts)https://www.caranddriver.com/genesis/gv80
Mr.Bill
(24,104 posts)onenote
(42,383 posts)You didn't take a few classes in forensic science many moons ago so your obviously not as qualified to opine on this as a DU expert.
Paladin
(28,204 posts)....before I pull a full-scale Tiger Woods Hate Hard-on like what you're exhibiting here. Those long-ago forensic science courses you took don't cut it with me.
obnoxiousdrunk
(2,906 posts)TheRickles
(2,000 posts)or specific information about this particular crash. As it stands, you've just made an assertion, and are asking us to believe it because you once studied the topic.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,369 posts)gab13by13
(20,867 posts)underpants
(182,281 posts)All he bought any of his mistresses was a 6 sub for the waitress lady. Thats it. He spends nothing he doesnt have to. The car he was driving was either a loaner from the tournament this weekend or part of his tour Ive contract (a gift).
ClusterFreak
(3,112 posts)He did what they did, and they sorta put him through their paces - or at least a wussy, spoiled golf icon's version of that - and then afterwards they all went out to dinner.
12 separate checks, if you get my drift.
lindysalsagal
(20,444 posts)ClusterFreak
(3,112 posts)... I'd like to add this...
I'm not going to delete my Navy Seals post, as if I hadn't written it... but after thinking about it for a bit, I wish I hadn't posted it. Tiger Woods will have the best care money can buy, and even that may not be enough to save him from allowing him to walk normally again. It's very early obviously, but what if he is even unable to do that? Doctors describe his leg injuries as "catastrophic". Both legs. He may never play professional golf again which would be sad for him but not a tragedy in normal human terms.
Tiger's well known indiscretions aside and alleged condescending attitude towards certain of us who don't breathe the rarified air of wealth and/or privilege, he is human and he is now facing a very scary and uncertain future as far as his physical health and abilities are concerned. His mental health has been the subject of past scrutiny, and will be going forward no doubt. However he'll have the best of post-operative care and rehabilitation, he's Tiger Fucking Woods, but perhaps now is not the time to rub sand in his face. The man is after all laid up in hospital with badly broken legs, having just likely escaped death by a whisker.
Sur Zobra
(3,428 posts)other caregivers like shit. Remember, he is a Trumpist, a deplorable person to his core
calimary
(80,700 posts)They showed him a good time and then had to pay for their own dinner? Multimillionaire sports celebrity couldnt take them out to dinner and pick up the tab to say thank-you?
SHEESH ...
Hey, Im sorry he got hurt and I hope he gets better. But for Petes sake, hasnt he had a bunch of these reckless driving mishaps?
I tend not to follow the careers of sports figures. Sports celebrity doesnt interest me.
SergeStorms
(18,903 posts)and that tournament was last week. Auto manufacturers always donate vehicles for the pros to drive during the tournament, then sell them to buyers with the sales pitch, "well this was Tiger's car during the tournament" and some idiot will pay sticker price just for that. The insurance company now owns Tiger's vehicle for last week's tournament.
Escurumbele
(3,340 posts)Foundation.
Here it is what the foundation does:
TGR Foundation was established in 1996 by Tiger Woods and his father, Earl Woods, to create and support community-based programs that improve the health, education, and welfare of all children in America.
The day before he was meeting with sponsors who help on that foundation. A lot of kids have been put through college thanks to that foundation.
After you trash the man you should take the time to learn more about him, then if you don't like what you learn? its up to you what you do with the information.
And I assume you have been out with Tiger and that is why you know he is cheap? Ask his ex-wife how cheap he is, I think she will differ from your opinion.
underpants
(182,281 posts)He kept her from getting much of what normally would be half.
Yes its a good foundation. I watched the tournament on Sunday too
gibraltar72
(7,486 posts)Claire Oh Nette
(2,636 posts)It was most definitely a speeding accident.
Rolling hills in that area, hence the city of Rolling Hills. Hawthorn Blvd is fairly straight, with some giant S turns. @ 7;00 am, he's facing little to no traffic, and it's very easy to get up over 50 mph there.
He didn't hit a tree. The center berm goes appears and disappears through there to allow side street traffic to come and go. He likely missed the turn (phone?) or veered because someone was entering Hawthorn by turning right. Tiger's car hit the median. At speed, the car would veer left. He likely steered left to get off the median after he blew through the development's signage and caused the car to spin, then roll because of high speed.
As far as I know, he was lucid and not under the influence.
I'm not sure how busy that road is at 7:00 in pre-covid days. By 7:30, I'd guess it was full of kids going to school and parents going to work.
He's lucky to have survived. He was belted in and the car's crumple zones did just what they were designed to do. Reports are every single airbag went off. He'll come back, like Hogan before him. But his son will surpass Jack, he won't.
As a man, meh. As a player, he was magnificent.
48656c6c6f20
(7,638 posts)But then again I've been on an opium high for the last week so I don't remember a lot.
Also, Buckwheat is still dead.
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JGug1
(320 posts)perfectly well stated Willamus. Well put.
marble falls
(56,359 posts)ClusterFreak
(3,112 posts)marble falls
(56,359 posts)hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)that may not work out for you....
JGug1
(320 posts)Initial reports are that Woods had not been drinking. People make mistakes. Woods IS a marvelous athlete. Yes, we are lucky that he didn't harm someone else but it is, nevertheless, a tragedy that he has harmed himself. There seems not a lot of need to trash him more.
JohnnyRingo
(18,581 posts)Maybe his caddy can suggest a driver.
I'm still digging that grave from yesterday, but now it looks like I can share it.
bigtree
(85,919 posts)...
underpants
(182,281 posts)✅ well done Sir.
oldsoftie
(12,410 posts)And some get more benefit than others.
Will charges be filed? They would for you & me.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)However, for someone you never met, you have extreme contempt, all based on hearsay information.
I can see no point to your diatribe against the man. Perhaps you should reexamine your vehement opinion of him, considering that you never experienced any of the things you describe.
well said!
Mickju
(1,794 posts)BradAllison
(1,879 posts)MineralMan
(146,192 posts)The only person hurt in the crash was the driver.
I'm puzzled at the vehemence of some people's responses. Very puzzled, although I think I understand where they come from. It's not a very nice thing to think about, either.
BradAllison
(1,879 posts)In this particular case, he was not intoxicated apparently, just a shitty driver in general.
It's unfortunate you think "Well he didn't hurt anyone this time, so what?"
My next guess is you're now insinuating some kind of bigotry.
Well, Eldrick is a Trump rump sniffer, I guess you don't factor that in. As I said last night, Eldrick "shuts up and plays", which gets him a pass from white Republicans other African American athletes don't.
Have a great night.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)FakeNoose
(32,356 posts)The residents who live around there have been interviewed on tv and they've said that road is dangerously steep and the roadbed is banked the wrong way. Any driver who goes into a skid or loses control is shit-out-of-luck on that road.
I can relate to his problem because we have some very hilly roads around Pittsburgh and some of them are engineered incorrectly. We also have snow and ice, but Tiger didn't have to contend with that. He wasn't drinking or using drugs, they already know that.
Anyone who's driving on an unfamiliar road, and not particularly being careful, could have had the same accident. You're not showing much sympathy - it could have been you.
onethatcares
(16,133 posts)a bad road, bad road conditions, unfamiliarity of where I'm driving and plain not being sure of what lies ahead is, I speed up, sometimes I close my eyes but hey, I got places to go and I'm an important type fellow, it should be understood.
nolabear
(41,915 posts)and I distinctly remember driving there and thinking for the first time ever, This road is banked the wrong way!
I was also in a scary wreck there when pregnant with my older son when a truck coming toward me hit a patch of ice on the inside of a curve and just kept on coming straight into me. And I hit one once and did a completely out of control 360. Both were on suburban streets and no one was speeding.
Nobody knows what happened in that wreck, and I hate that people are piling on. I wouldnt be famous for the world.
Escurumbele
(3,340 posts)let you feelings about the man out?
No one, at this time seems to know the FACTS about that accident, so how about if we all wait?
Very sorry about your sister, not sure if the reckless driver responsible for your sister was a celebrity, but it happens on all circles of society, we only get to know about it when a celebrity is involved, there are reckless people everywhere.
Tiger Woods' accident was at 07:00am, so I doubt he was drunk, but we shall find out, he is not known for getting drunk. Could have been under medical drugs? that is a possibility, was he a reckless driver? We will find out, but speculating is not a good thing.
jalan48
(13,798 posts)aocommunalpunch
(4,223 posts)He knows how to work the refs.
Demobrat
(8,917 posts)I saw a couple of articles that mentioned another car that stopped and was then rear-ended.
No mention of the other drivers, any passengers, or whether anybody in those vehicles was seriously injured.
Maybe not. Maybe only the other cars were damaged. Maybe those people were only hurt financially. Well probably never know, since they were obviously not important.
qanda
(10,422 posts)What gives you the right to make this determination? I had to turn off the coverage because it was so negative about his past. It reeks and so does this post. All I've heard is how dangerous that stretch of road is and how many accidents have happened there. 😡
bigtree
(85,919 posts)...why not blame county road administrators for not addressing the dangerousness of the road?
And making like he was under the influence of something without proof is reprehensible and the real reason why people are obsessing over this traffic accident like it was the only one in America yesterday.
I think some folks want to feel superior in clucking their tongues at this celebrity, or use his infamousness to promote some pet cause or concern.
People should get off of his back, and I say this as someone with very little affinity for the man outside of his historic accomplishments in golf.
Yeehah
(4,524 posts)I have no respect for people who drive without regard for others' safety.
infullview
(978 posts)NO ONE F**KING CARES! MSNBC CNN GIVE IT A REST!!!
BannonsLiver
(16,162 posts)Happy Hoosier
(7,081 posts)I am now a grown-ass man, and I don't do that. Fucking man-child with money.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,535 posts)A big line of people on either side of a roped-off pathway. You're probably seen celebrities giving handslaps to fans, even if they are very half-hearted and perfunctory. Not Tiger Woods.
Stone-faced, he walked dead in the middle - even had his shoulders hunched and his arms drawn in - so he didn't have to sully his pristine self by any form of contact with the hoi polloi.
I'd never really been a fan, but when I saw his disdain for the fans, I came to actively root against him.
BannonsLiver
(16,162 posts)ProfessorGAC
(64,425 posts)Nobody, but nobody, has given more autographs & spent more time greeting fans after rounds than Woods.
And, it's not merely proportional to his greater fan base.
qanda
(10,422 posts)My brother-in-law has video of him interacting with him on more than one occasion. I don't get the hate that this man garners. I've been to the US Open and for the most part the golfers are laser focused during the tournament.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)our country is so fucked up!
Upthevibe
(7,884 posts)What bothers me about your post is that you made a lot of accusations against him that haven't been substantiated regarding the wreck.
Also, you're saying you know all these people who've been treated so horribly by him and I can't personally dispute your claims because I don't know one way or another. I don't know anything about you and have no idea if you heard some things from someone who knew someone who knew someone who knew someone and then it's like that old game about the telephone. After the story is repeated so many times there's no truth in it at all. (just sayin' - )
I definitely agree with you that too much time was spent on the news yesterday regarding this story. Having said that, you kind of put your credibility into question with how you ended your post: "My sister was permanently disabled by a reckless drunk driver -- not sure if he was drunk, on pain meds, or just plain reckless -- I am just grateful that no other family has to deal with the aftermath of Tiger's wreck." You said she was disabled by a reckless drunk drive but then you say you're not sure if he was drunk, on pain meds, etc.
One of my best childhood friends was killed when she was 40 (23 years ago) by a head-on collision with a drunk driver. He wasn't killed and they were obviously able to determine what his blood alcohol level was.
dsc
(52,130 posts)My sister was permanently disabled by a reckless drunk driver -- not sure if Tiger was etc
Ilsa
(61,675 posts)other travelers.
I'm glad he didn't die. I hope his foundation continues to benefit others. I hope he learns a lesson from this. I don't want to hear any more about him. I just don't care. (And I used to be a fan.)
leftyladyfrommo
(18,816 posts)He will suffer life long debilitating pain. That's an awful price to pay for a lapse in judgement.
I don't wish that on anyone.
Jilly_in_VA
(9,854 posts)Tiger was speeding on an unfamiliar (maybe) road. He shouldn't have been. The locals say there have been a lot of accidents on that stretch. He wrecked. He had a terrible injury to his leg. He is going to have a long recovery and his future is uncertain. Them's the facts.
I get that some of you don't like him. That's your right. But is it really necessary to devote a whole thread to a Tiger bash? It demeans DU, and it demeans you. There are people much more worthy of bashing who are bent on damaging our government. Tiger is an athlete and not one of them.
/stepping off my soapbox
Raine
(30,540 posts)dangerous especially for anyone not familiar with it. When you come down the hill you have to ride your breaks because you pick up speed whether you intend to or not!. Tiger is very lucky to have not been killed, others have been!