Separating a Party personality from our Party agenda (B.Clinton, Cuomo). Date of post March 6.

[UTUSN]

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Many/most of us Dems here went to the mat defending Bill against the (what I called *FAKE* ) impeachment. Even back then I blamed both him and her for their selfishness but knew that my defense was grounded on Party loyalty, seeing the attack as purely partisan.

When the dust settled much reflection and digestion ensured, and I reached the clarification that my Democratic allegiance is based on the Party’s *AGENDA* (civil rights, civil liberties, social justice, stewardship of the planet). *NOT* on any single leader/personality.

I realized for myself that, its being *SO* difficult and precious to win our time in power, it is a WASTE of our precious time in Power to spend all of our energy defending one person ------ instead of being able to use it on working on our agenda. A waste and a distraction.

If it were happening today I would not defend Bill. I would want him to resign and let Al take over. Never again any one personality.

I love it when we find a leader with charisma who WINS and therefore will be more effective in moving our agenda forward even if in the tiniest steps. But being a Dem is not a Gold Card for anything goes. If a Dem has bundles of illicit cash in the freezer or whatever the flaw, the Dem label is forfeited.

So, Andrew is just too much déjà vu. Even without the investigation so far, it’s just too much ugly distraction and parsing and weeping. My little, one-person support or lack thereof is negligible, but for the record it’s bye time.

[radius777]

1. It doesn't work like that. Taking down Bill also

was designed to take down Gore/Hillary and everyone else attached to the Dem establishment at that time, just as the Cuomo attacks are about taking down the NY Dems as a whole. Lt. Gov Hochul would be tagged by the GOP as a 'Cuomo enabler.. part of the Cuomo corrupt machine, etc'.

That's why fighting these hollow and hypocritical abushes is so important. Step back for a second. Cuomo is one of the best governors in the country. His state was ground zero for the pandemic in the earliest days, and he guided the state through it pretty well. He is a man of science who enforced mask mandates and enacted lockdowns - against the wishes of big business and monied interests - to the benefit of workers and regular people. Contrast that to the genocidal GOP governors (DeSantis, Abott, Ducey, Ivey, etc).

[UTUSN]

2. My posts are just mine & say what they say, not what somebody else changes what I said.

From another thread, saying it another way:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215193723

[BlueMTexpat]

3. This!

Exactly this!

[tirebiter]

4. Arkansas Project

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkansas_Project

[WHITT]

5. So

If it were happening today I would not defend Bill. I would want him to resign

For what?

[dsc]

6. I flipped from thinking he should go to thinking he should stay

after finding out the length to which Starr went while investigating his case. Just like we let a murder walk when the police violate rights, Clinton's conduct was way less damaging to the nation than Starr's.