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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo let me get this straight
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/06/covid-stimulus-update-senate-passes-1point9-trillion-relief-bill.htmlThe covid bill just gets by with no republican support even though the $15.00 min wage and $400.00 unemployment was messed by a democratic Senator who demanded these changes to get by patrician support.
American people are still out a semi- decent age.
Less Americans are getting $1400 stimulus checks
Less unemployment money.
And I'm suppose to be happy that this bill isn't going to help as many people as it could and expect this bill will make a strong case for democratic wins in 2022?
What the Actual Fuck!
Sorry I don't see it.
samnsara
(17,616 posts)...as Joe says
Demsrule86
(68,546 posts)FlyingPiggy
(3,383 posts)Bettie
(16,089 posts)Zero Republicans were ever going to vote for it.
So, why did we go through the machinations to make it more "palatable" to them, when it was a foregone conclusion that none would cross the aisle? Ever. In any situation.
So, they got Democrats to ensure that some people are going to feel screwed over. They can put out campaign ads about how "Democrats don't care about the middle class, remember, you got two checks from Trump, now Biden decided you are TOO RICH to deserve help!".
Are they being disingenuous about it? Yeah, but in the end, there will be people who say "YEAH! Trump helped me, Biden didn't!"
And for what?
What made this outcome BETTER than the original bill?
Or is the argument that Democrats would have voted against it if it wasn't watered down?
FlyingPiggy
(3,383 posts)leftstreet
(36,106 posts)er...wut?
You're not wrong
DURec
Demsrule86
(68,546 posts)clearly are not receiving it.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,007 posts)lark
(23,091 posts)AZSkiffyGeek
(11,007 posts)by $300/week for 6 months.
lark
(23,091 posts)PA_jen
(1,114 posts)being laid off March 2020 because PA went broke and could pay just the normal unemployment never mind the $600 additional.
Also this individual Makes the amount of the cut off for the stimulus. Savings Gone. Cashed out 401K and bonds just to make ends meet.
blue neen
(12,319 posts)AZSkiffyGeek
(11,007 posts)That's quite an acheivement. Made a whole lot of money in January and February?
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)AZSkiffyGeek
(11,007 posts)JI7
(89,247 posts)Demsrule86
(68,546 posts)when the GOP allowed unemployment to lapse, I don't see any issues.
karynnj
(59,501 posts)especially as you say she didn't get the enhanced unemployment. When she files 2020 taxes, she will likely get the 2020 payments and be eligible for the new one.
Hekate
(90,644 posts)...So you can see whats really there.
Sorry this isnt making your day, but this like the not 100% perfect ACA is a BFD.
caber09
(666 posts)This landmark legislation will help families pay rent and put food on the table, lift millions of children out of poverty, make health care more affordable, aid small businesses, fund broad-based vaccination efforts, and make it easier for states to reopen schools....this is a huge deal...you think people running out of benefits next week and having to go weeks without benefits while negotiations dragged on and reconciliation was blown would be a winning msg? Nope this is a historic bill that will help a lot of people and provide much needed aid for all aspects of the virus recovery and help out states that have been waiting on this for almost a year..this is a huge fn deal!
leftstreet
(36,106 posts)caber09
(666 posts)"And the bill subsidizes 100 percent of COBRA insurance coverage for jobless Americans, up from 85 percent in the House version."
Mr.Bill
(24,281 posts)A shitload of people, along with schools, cities, small businesses and the vaccine program are going to get some help, and in the 2022 campaigns, any Democratic candidate can say that not one republican voted for any of it.
That is a big fucking deal, and the republicans just shot themselves in the foot and are too stupid to realize it.
PA_jen
(1,114 posts)sorry I feel this got too water down.
Mr.Bill
(24,281 posts)I somewhat feel the same way. But I think we got the best result considering what (and who) we had to work with. There is lots of upside here, both practically and politically.
Demsrule86
(68,546 posts)Celerity
(43,312 posts)chess by voting for the Rethug amendment and that another amendment would restore it back to 400 usd per week.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,007 posts)After that passed, the Democrats went back and amended it to $300, ending in September (a month longer than the initial bill) AND made it non taxable for under $150K.
Celerity
(43,312 posts)only extends it a few more weeks but is on net a lot less.
the House bill was 22 weeks (all of April through August 29) at 400 pw which is 8800 usd
The bill now only extends it one more week and at only 300 pw that is 23 weeks X 300 thus 6900 usd total, almost 2000 usd less
even it was through all of September it is still less , 26 weeks X 300 usd is 7800 usd, 1000 usd less in toto
WarGamer
(12,436 posts)Celerity
(43,312 posts)WarGamer
(12,436 posts)Celerity
(43,312 posts)He is doing his level best to toss multiple spanners in the works of our 2022 election chances, plus it invites intra-party sniping.
WarGamer
(12,436 posts)My swimming pool guy has lost like 90% of his business...
He's been doing pools for 20 years, he's not going to go be a greeter at WalMart.
So after 9/7... sink or swim!!
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,007 posts)So it's probably gonna be a few billion.
Celerity
(43,312 posts)AZSkiffyGeek
(11,007 posts)I blame legal weed.
Fullduplexxx
(7,857 posts)And ignore the fact that dems dont have a big enough majority to satisfy your wish list or tou can be happy for what the bill does provide... it's your choice
OnDoutside
(19,953 posts)lark
(23,091 posts)Or did the money saved from the reductions just get rolled into another part of the bill, say an increase in the money to schools?
OnDoutside
(19,953 posts)a very last minute amendment which included extra workers comp payments costing $10bn. Rob Portman was bitching about it, but it went through anyway.
lark
(23,091 posts)malaise
(268,930 posts)six for a nine
brush
(53,764 posts)who forced these compromises into the bill. However, the actual Democrats in the Senate persisted and got a bill passed despite our two disloyal senators and the entire republican caucuses' efforts, that will help millions, get support to small businesses, help renters and mortgagees keep their homes, help the states with millions in funding, help everyone get vaccinated from covid for free which will help teachers and parents as schools can now re-open and parents can go back to work which will spur the economy.
Look at it that way. There's much more in the bill than what's not in it.
Give credit where it's due too, and sit back and make plans for what you will do with your $1400 check to help spark an economic rebound.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,007 posts)brush
(53,764 posts)comradebillyboy
(10,143 posts)Do you think getting 95% of the package is a loss?
I guess some folks will never be satisfied with actual progress.
mcar
(42,302 posts)What people will see is more money in their pockets, less stress and relief to schools, cities, and clinics.
Most people do not pay attention to the minutiae of the sausage making process.
This is a huge deal that will help people.
It will make a very strong case for Democratic wins in 2022.
marble falls
(57,077 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)AZSkiffyGeek
(11,007 posts)It couldn't be brought up in reconciliation. So Bernie did some theater that wouldn't have accomplished anything even if the 8 Democrats voted for it.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)monied innterests as always, Pew Researh found that 2/3 of Aericans are in fsvor of $15/hr minium wage.The bill ending being in full control by the Democratic party and they caved. They didn't cave on voting for the massive giveaway to the rich and corporation in the 2020 Care Act but the $15 inimum wage was worth caving on in this bill.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,007 posts)Im going to celebrate a big victory that will help people.
ShazzieB
(16,368 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)spiraling down the drain. It was a unilateral bill both in content and in the vote tally.They battle to strip down the bill was an internal one.
Demsrule86
(68,546 posts)wrong...it is a good bill.
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)People dont really need this money in late March. They needed it six months ago.
This survival payment is not stimulus to a lot of people. Its survival. It will be stimulus in the fact it will help people owe less. Just less. Still in deep trouble financially. This should be the fifth aid package to the public.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,007 posts)Hint, it's not the Democrats....
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)And how we feel about it.
We passed it. Thats important and a big effing deal as many before me said as well.
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)out for you but I wanted to be standing with those people and giving them a thumbs up.
WarGamer
(12,436 posts)SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)AZSkiffyGeek
(11,007 posts)The payments decrease AFTER 75K. So if they got $600, they're getting $1400. Unless they made more in 2020 than they did in 2019.
Cool story though.
WarGamer
(12,436 posts)UI Fed bonus was 600/wk
JI7
(89,247 posts)just like they oppose what is happening now and prefer no help.
Kingofalldems
(38,451 posts)So what are you talking about?
WarGamer
(12,436 posts)Demsrule86
(68,546 posts)mcar
(42,302 posts)Show us please.
doc03
(35,325 posts)more than they expect to get. We were lucky to get that with you know who in the Senate. The Senator from one of the poorest states has to have cuts.
malaise
(268,930 posts)Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)the enemy of the good.
WhiteTara
(29,703 posts)is that the House said $400 end July 31, Senate $300 and end Sept 6 plus first $10,200 is tax-free. It's the same amount of money just spread out differently. Smart.
Demsrule86
(68,546 posts)one wonders why you seem so bent on snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory...hmmmmm
marie999
(3,334 posts)They voted against going against the parliamentarian. If it had passed and the $15/hour minimum wage went into the bill then you can bet the Republicans would take it to court and no one would get anything.
ShazzieB
(16,368 posts)Go find somebody else's parade to run on, why don't you?
Sorry this bill doesn't meet your high standards, but I've got news: the perfect (hypothetical) bill that you are comparing to the real one that actually passed was never, ever, ever going to pass in its entirety, exactly as originally proposed, with every single provision intact. Not with the very tenuous majority Dems have in the Senate. It wasn't going to happen. The fact that a bill containing huge amounts of help for the American people has passed with most of what Biden wanted in it is amazing and yes, a B.F.D.
If you don't feel like celebrating, don't. That's your prerogative. I think it's a shame you can't see how great this, but if you can't, you can't. That doesn't make it okay to come in here and pour ice cold water on a joyful celebration.
Sorry if I sound a mite cranky, but this o.p. struck a very sour note with me.
Demsrule86
(68,546 posts)Alpeduez21
(1,751 posts)there was a very real chance that democracy wouldn't even exist anymore.
Take a look at all that the bill does. There is A LOT that is going on. Repukes still have to be dealt with so until Democratic messaging gets more votes in red districts everything will always be a fight.
Kingofalldems
(38,451 posts)doc03
(35,325 posts)ahoysrcsm
(787 posts)We need more doom and gloomers like you.