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Tue Mar 9, 2021, 09:14 AM

Really "Liberals"? "Lock em' up, lock em' up, lock em up".

When did we adopt this conservative/authoritarian/Republican chant? It never has set right with me. It seems to have begun its crossover when the right hurled it incessantly at Hillary. Is this who we are?

Justice is absolutely essential. Yet, look at where “lock em’ up” is a crippling, social injustice.
I’m offering no solutions other than a deeper look into modern, progressive approaches to crime and punishment like those practiced in some Scandinavian nations.

That said, “lock em up” sounds wrong coming from liberals.

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Reply Really "Liberals"? "Lock em' up, lock em' up, lock em up". (Original post)
Magoo48 Mar 2021 OP
TwilightZone Mar 2021 #1
Ferrets are Cool Mar 2021 #9
lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #20
Laelth Mar 2021 #2
ProfessorGAC Mar 2021 #3
Chainfire Mar 2021 #11
Treefrog Mar 2021 #4
marble falls Mar 2021 #5
greenjar_01 Mar 2021 #7
PatSeg Mar 2021 #21
Johnny2X2X Mar 2021 #6
Rhiannon12866 Mar 2021 #8
Elessar Zappa Mar 2021 #10
Magoo48 Mar 2021 #24
kcr Mar 2021 #12
Hortensis Mar 2021 #13
WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2021 #14
Paladin Mar 2021 #15
Magoo48 Mar 2021 #25
kcr Mar 2021 #27
Magoo48 Mar 2021 #28
BlueStater Mar 2021 #16
Magoo48 Mar 2021 #26
Squinch Mar 2021 #17
comradebillyboy Mar 2021 #18
BradAllison Mar 2021 #19
Magoo48 Mar 2021 #22
we can do it Mar 2021 #23
UpInArms Mar 2021 #29

Response to Magoo48 (Original post)

Tue Mar 9, 2021, 09:21 AM

1. From the left, at least it's generally applied to appropriate situations.

Wanting to lock up Trump for myriad legitimate legal violations, including inciting an insurrection, is a little different than wanting to lock Clinton up based on pizza-place conspiracy theories and wishful thinking.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 9, 2021, 10:45 AM

9. This

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 9, 2021, 12:06 PM

20. +1 This is not sloganeering. These people must be locked up, for the safety of the nation.

Today's Qpublican Party is, sadly, a target-rich environment.

Insurrection is top of mind; Trump and literally hundreds of Congressional Qpublicans have endorsed and likely physically aided and abetted it.
DeJoy vandalized hundreds of millions of dollars worth of postal equipment, crippling our election and our economy.
Stephen Miller and dozens in the Trump Administration have committed crimes against humanity.

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Response to Magoo48 (Original post)

Tue Mar 9, 2021, 09:22 AM

2. I haven't heard any liberals chanting lately.

But if we’re talking about “fomenting violent rebellion against the government of the United States,” I think “lock them up” is an appropriate response.

-Laelth

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Response to Magoo48 (Original post)

Tue Mar 9, 2021, 09:22 AM

3. Disagree

When the trumpets were chanting that, it was about people over what they imagined were criminals, with no basis in fact.
Around here, the preponderance of those posts are regarding people for whom there is evidence, moderate to incontrovertible, that crimes were indeed committed.
You appear to be comparing thumbtacks to elephants.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 9, 2021, 10:51 AM

11. I disagree as well

But because it is satisfying to throw their shit back in their faces. It really pisses them off, and I find that very satisfying.

Yea, I know it is not right but sometimes being wrong just feels right.

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Response to Magoo48 (Original post)

Tue Mar 9, 2021, 09:22 AM

4. Yes, and don't forget all the prison rape jokes. I've seen them here many times. Unfortunate.

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Response to Treefrog (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 9, 2021, 09:25 AM

5. I push back on those jokes, we all should.

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Response to Treefrog (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 9, 2021, 09:33 AM

7. It's absolutely disgusting, though it has decreased significantly

Prison rape jokes are now routinely removed by juries, mainly due to the tireless work of people who simply won't abide them. Thanks to them. They used to be far more common here. The common tactic was to say "I'm just saying what happens, not what I want to happen." It was a cowardly and pathetic dodge.

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Response to Treefrog (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 9, 2021, 12:16 PM

21. I don't like when Democrats imitate republicans'

ignorant behavior. In a perverse way, it often reinforces it. Of course, we should continue to demand justice, but that should be done within the system, through the appropriate channels. Yelling the same ignorant cries as the right sounds like a classic lynch mob.

I think that some on the right, take pleasure watching Democrats behave like them. "See! They aren't so holier-than-thou, are they?" It is a classic abuser's tactic to push people's buttons until they come down to the abuser's level.

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Response to Magoo48 (Original post)

Tue Mar 9, 2021, 09:30 AM

6. Libs chant it back at those who chanted it

It's not a chant in a vacuum, but rather usually reserved for public people who've chanted lock her up prominently. Roger Stone and Michael Flynn have been seen chanting, "Lock her up, lock her up!" Many times. So when they've been in court/arrested, "lock him up", is just throwing that back at them.

And as far as the Anti American insurrectionists, they are enemies of our democracy, I don't care about them.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #6)

Tue Mar 9, 2021, 09:34 AM

8. You're right, that's how it started. Pushback. *sigh*

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Response to Magoo48 (Original post)

Tue Mar 9, 2021, 10:47 AM

10. The people we want locked up

actually committed crimes. Nothing wrong with wanting justice.

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Response to Elessar Zappa (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 9, 2021, 01:56 PM

24. Justice is desirable as I said.

The phrase “lock em up” is simply repugnant, right-wing speak to me.

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Response to Magoo48 (Original post)

Tue Mar 9, 2021, 10:53 AM

12. Cool story n/t

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Response to Magoo48 (Original post)

Tue Mar 9, 2021, 10:53 AM

13. + a million. These are mean, anxious times, and meanness and

antagonism, and in some radicalization and hate, are spreading from the extremes to infect the middle. If some seem more like conservatives, it's not at all coincidence -- people typically react to threats by becoming more conservative emotionally.

We're unfortunately seeing more inappropriate acting out here. But then there aren't a whole lot of places to go for people who still support liberal goals even though they've become angry and frustrated with the constraints of liberal democratic principles and methods.

The Democratic Party's where it happens.

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Response to Magoo48 (Original post)

Tue Mar 9, 2021, 10:57 AM

14. As a cop abolitionist and prison abolitionist, I agree.

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Response to Magoo48 (Original post)

Tue Mar 9, 2021, 11:09 AM

15. Spare me the guilt trips.

Anybody I want to see locked up will get the full protection of a judicial trial, probably multiple trials. As a liberal on a liberal site, I shouldn't have to even mention this. And the sooner trump and his goons are behind bars, the happier I'll be---no apologies.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #15)

Tue Mar 9, 2021, 01:59 PM

25. No guilt trips, just posting my POV.

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Response to Magoo48 (Reply #25)

Tue Mar 9, 2021, 02:13 PM

27. No guilt trips? Only putting Liberal in quotes is all.

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Response to kcr (Reply #27)

Tue Mar 9, 2021, 02:17 PM

28. I wrote to my satisfaction; read into it what you will.

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Response to Magoo48 (Original post)

Tue Mar 9, 2021, 11:17 AM

16. You can't guilt trip me.

Many of the assholes who stormed the Capitol and beat up cops were the same sort of people who chanted “LOCK HER UP!” for years and years.

Now they’re the ones being locked away for a long-ass time while the woman who was the target of their deranged hatred for so long will continue to enjoy all of life’s freedom. Yes, the irony is absolutely delicious and I am taking immense pleasure in savoring it. Sue me.

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Response to BlueStater (Reply #16)

Tue Mar 9, 2021, 02:00 PM

26. See #15.

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Response to Magoo48 (Original post)

Tue Mar 9, 2021, 11:28 AM

17. Big difference: THEY broke the law and should be locked up.

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Response to Magoo48 (Original post)

Tue Mar 9, 2021, 11:57 AM

18. Regarding the insurrectionists: Lock them up and

throw away the key.

Lock every one of them up for a very long time. After a fair trial of course.

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Response to Magoo48 (Original post)

Tue Mar 9, 2021, 12:01 PM

19. Sorry, i refuse to apologize (n/m)

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Response to BradAllison (Reply #19)

Tue Mar 9, 2021, 01:49 PM

22. No apologies needed, just my 2 cents.

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Response to Magoo48 (Original post)

Tue Mar 9, 2021, 01:50 PM

23. You're right. Lock him up.

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Response to Magoo48 (Original post)

Tue Mar 9, 2021, 02:19 PM

29. I sparingly use for only one

Michael Flynn

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