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Thu Mar 11, 2021, 02:19 PM

Historians are being very, very, very unfair to the President.

Two Presidents actually, if this CBS news item is correct.

The Presidents to whom they are being unfair are James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson.

Buchanan deserves to be ranked higher than Trump because at least he inherited the divisions that tore the country apart; he didn't create them.

Andrew Johnson was a racist like Trump, but he was only impeached once. At least Johnson didn't embezzle regularly and promote his children and dumb assed Son-in-law to the highest level of incompetence ever. Nor was Johnson a graft machine.

I sincerely object. Trump is #1 worst of all and could only have been saved from "worst ever" if Aaron Burr had actually been chosen by the House of Representatives over Thomas Jefferson.

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Thu Mar 11, 2021, 02:27 PM

1. History will not be kind to trump

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Response to LetMyPeopleVote (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 11, 2021, 02:59 PM

6. On the 1 year official pandemic anniversary, I was thinking about this

The further we get out the worse it will be for Trump. It’s been 7 weeks and there’s a whole news apparatus set up to blur the line (like they did for W) and try desperately for people to believe there are still two horses in the race.

Hell the rightwing is so short term they’ve already diverged off to toys and children’s books.

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Thu Mar 11, 2021, 02:38 PM

2. Buchanan actually committed treason.

He secretly got a lot of military equipment moved to secure locations in the South, so the Confederacy would have an advantage over the United States Army. Ulysses Grant mentioned this in his memoirs.

Poor Andrew Johnson was most just clueless.

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Response to raging moderate (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 11, 2021, 02:58 PM

5. It wasn't Buchanan himself as I understand it, but rather his Secretary of War...

...John B. Floyd, who later went on to become a Confederate general.

In many ways, despite being one of the most experienced people to assume the office of the Presidency, Buchanan strikes me as a "deer in the headlights" kind of guy.

Also, we still do not have full insight as to whether or not Trump was/is a Russian agent. Therefore the "traitor" designation doesn't hold up.

It is also notable that former President John Tyler was also a traitor, endorsed secession, and having been elected to the Confederate Government's House of Representatives, although he died before he could serve.

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Thu Mar 11, 2021, 02:42 PM

3. Did any other president try to overthrow his own fucking government?

No? Then Trump’s the worst.

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 11, 2021, 02:59 PM

7. I think the poll was actually conducted in 2018. There's still time for revision. n/t.

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Thu Mar 11, 2021, 02:50 PM

4. Somebody should point out to CBS that both James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson.....

.....had statues of them erected as memorials, listed by the National Park Service, as some small modicum of respect. Trump will never have a statue erected anywhere public as the maintenance costs of cleaning up the garbage hurled at it daily would be prohibitive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Buchanan_Memorial

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Johnson_National_Historic_Site

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Response to RussellCattle (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 11, 2021, 03:09 PM

8. Well, to be fair, both of those monuments were constructed in the era of the ascendancy...

...of the "lost cause," myth of the Confederacy.

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Thu Mar 11, 2021, 03:12 PM

9. Dear NNadir - I concur 100%.

drumpf is without a doubt the worst (alleged) officeholder, he tried to overturn the legitimate government - no one else has done that.

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 07:00 PM

10. Buchanan is happy

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Response to NNadir (Original post)

Sat Mar 13, 2021, 07:01 PM

11. Meh, when you're that bad, it's kinda hard to discriminate...

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