I know I'm beating this to death but I find it hard to believe that Cuomo...

[brush]

would reach into a woman's blouse and fondle her breast as the most recent accuser claimed. With the me_too movement so recent and the forcing out of Al Franken, I just don't think he'd be that dumb.

I could be wrong, but I still say investigate, investigate, investigate and let the chips fall where they may. If the allegations are proven, he must go. If not proven he survives like Joe Biden did against Tara Reade's lies.

Due process, no resignation. Complete the investigation. Have we learned nothing from the Al Franken force out?

[demtenjeep]

1. agree

this is targeted

[station agent]

96. Yes, the governor was targeting these women

and he should resign. Not everything is a set up.

[Irish_Dem]

2. People with power do a lot of stupid stuff and get away with it. But I want an investigation.

I think everyone deserves due process. Unless like Trump many of his crimes are on video tape or text.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. Did you ever see the movie "A Bronx Tale" ?

[Irish_Dem]

10. No, how does it connect?

[brush]

11. Several times. What's your point?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. The part where Robert DeNiro tells his son sometimes the little head thinks for the big head.

Great movie.

[brush]

25. It's one of my favorites.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. Great performances by DeNiro, Pesce, Palminteri, and Lillo Brancato

Also how the story comes full circle. It was interesting that DeNiro's character opposes his son dating a Black young woman and Palminteri's character essentially says love is love.


As to Cuomo, I'm content to watch it play out.

[Mr.Bill]

68. One of the best bar fight scenes ever.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=a+bronx+tale+bar+fight

[phandancer917]

72. THE BEST!!

See my post below

'Now youse cant leave'

[brush]

141. Chaz Palminteri played the hell out of that role.

He had me rooting for him even though we know in mob movies, "uneasy is the head that wears the crown."

[DemocratSinceBirth]

74. This

[phandancer917]

69. LOL

"Sonny had all five fingers, but he only used three"

I have watched this one 2 dozen times -- so many good lessons and scenes. BEST group beatdown scene in any movie.


WOW -- Knew that Chazz wrote the Screenplay - did not know DeNiro directed. SUCH an underrated/under known film.

In case you care -- best Single beat down scene is in LayerCake (and Daniel Craig's best movie)

[treestar]

107. They are less likely to with the public eye and cameras

There is motive to lie when it comes to them, too. Yes, I know the accusers are Democrats, but that alone doesn't mean they aren't in on something.

The ones who get away with it are the ones who are powerful within a company but not in public office or the public eye.

[RKP5637]

3. So much, it's starting to sound like it's a framing/rigging ... a Swift Boat of sorts. n/t

[Bev54]

39. Funny you say that, my first reaction when I heard this accusation was

Trump was just in town hmmm.......

[RKP5637]

43. Yeah, it's getting a bit on the weird side. If something happen, OK then, but some of this

seems trumped up ... maybe.

[brooklynite]

71. And Trump being town has what to do with this?

[Bev54]

92. Oh well let's see, Unknown person accuses Cuomo

of sexual assault (much different from his previous accusers of harassment), never reported it and now coming forward. It has earmarks of Biden's accuser. Trump happens to be in the city right before this accusation comes out and Trump needs Cuomo out of the way, hoping for someone who he can get a pardon from or just wants to destroy him. I am not saying that is what happened, I am just saying that is where my mind went.

[brooklynite]

97. "Unknown person"

ALL of the accusers are Democrats and were aides to the Governor. But according to an alarming number of people here, they’re all easy to bribe.

[Bev54]

98. All the others have come forward and identified themselves, this person has not.

It is where my mind went, can't help it with Trump around.

[brooklynite]

99. Not true...

The accuser identified herself to the Albany Times Union. The newspaper has Christmas den not to reveal her identity at this time.

It perhaps the newspaper has been bribed as well?

[Bev54]

100. Well that is not quite coming forward as the others did

I don't know the paper but I do know others were fooled by Biden's accuser as well but I am not going to continue this discussion when I was simply stating that was what came into my mind when I heard about the accusation.

[ahoysrcsm]

159. If it is as bad as the reports, why isn't the accuser going for a payday?

A civil court case against a NY Governor, ca-ching. But hey what do I know, the accuser could have taken him down anytime she wanted. Why wait?

[pnwmom]

178. She didn't come forward; but the reporter knows her identity, and so does the supervisor

who talked to the reporter.

[Grasswire2]

55. yes, one after another, and the last one is HEARSAY. nt

[pnwmom]

59. Oh, yeah? Five of his Democratic staffers decided to frame him?

Plus the one woman pictured at the party?

Get real.

[RKP5637]

66. I just read this article. Incredible. My comment is wrong, time for an in depth investigation.

https://www.nytimes.com/article/cuomo-sexual-harassment-nursing-homes-covid-19.html

[pnwmom]

70. It is. Unfortunately, if someone only makes moves in private,

it would be very difficult to prove.

For a short time I had to report to someone who would say gross things when I was alone with him. How could I prove it?

But when my job changed, and I was reporting to a new VP, I told him -- and he believed me. I was lucky that there some consequences.

[RKP5637]

77. Thanks for helping me see what was going on! n/t

[pnwmom]

78. Thanks for being willing to listen. nt

[JohnSJ]

5. This is not even comparable to Tara reade.

[wryter2000]

6. What if...

the investigation boils down to she said/he said? That's very likely what the result will be.

With multiple accusers and a picture of him with his hands on a woman's face, I'm convinced. Some men think they're entitled to do things like that...it's no big deal. They also think they won't get caught. Plus, he was abusive of his staff in non-sexual ways. He obviously felt his power of them gave him permission to act out.

This is not Al Franken. It's more like Bill Cosby without the drugs.

[brush]

14. Investigate please. That last one is hard to believe.

[blueinredohio]

17. Agreed!

[ace3csusm]

56. Agree ... sounds like a setup ... something doesnt seem right with this one...Project Veritas Again?

[Treefrog]

32. Thank you. It's rather disheartening to hear so many posters here willing to dismiss this.

I don’t want him to resign, but this needs to be met head on. I have confidence in the AG of NY.

[pnwmom]

153. I'm curious what the division of these posts would be by gender. n/t

[wryter2000]

190. Clearly, posters are more interested in defending him

Than listening to the people he's abused.

[pnwmom]

60. Exactly. There was no witness to him sticking his hand up her blouse.

But there were witnesses to her breaking down at the staff meeting when they all were watching him on TV.

[treestar]

110. The number of accusers should never be used

against someone. An accusation is just that, nothing but an accusation. 10 of them are as worthless as one without proof.

[wryter2000]

189. Wryter2000 is not sitting on the jury

What I said was is I'm convinced. From history we know that abusers generally do it to multiple people. One instance can be a misunderstanding. Six is very unlikely to be.

[treestar]

197. But that's not proof of the next case

Generalizations are unjust. From History - that's not evidence against the current accused.

[uponit7771]

196. +1, DU wasn't even asking for Trump to just step down without an investigation into his rape ...

... charges until his ... ADMISSION... he assaulted women in front of a camera.

[uponit7771]

195. 100% disagree, Bill Cosby admitted to drugging a person Cuomo has not.

[Joinfortmill]

7. Agree.

[Maraya1969]

8. I agree with you and I hope there is a full investigation and he doesn't quit.

After that shit with Al Franken I am so untrustworthy when someone comes up with something about one of our Democratic politicians.

The fact that they called and are still calling Biden a pedophile still irks me and makes me not want to believe anyone that is connected the GOP.

Remember Roger Stone's comment about how it was about to the "Franken's time in the barrel" the day before that witch accused him? (can't even remember her name and the last I knew she had blocked me on Twitter)

[SheltieLover]

9. This is why people are afraid to speak against putin's puppet

Targeted attacks.

[riversedge]

12. I honestly do not know what to think about this situation at this this time.

[Elessar Zappa]

13. It's not looking good, imo.

I’m for an investigation but I think he might end up resigning before one can be completed. I still have an open mind but six accusers is nothing to sneeze at.

[brush]

16. I think Franken had as many or more even. We'll see what happens.

[Elessar Zappa]

19. Yes, Franken did,

but these allegations are more serious. Again, I’m for an investigation.

[treestar]

108. The number is meaningless

each case must be proven.

[zipplewrath]

15. Why?

Powerful people, especially men, think that nothing they do is wrong. I don't care what YOU know is wrong, they don't see it that way. Maybe some of the accusations are being embellished. I can accept that. But I also know that underlying it is the sense that it will be accepted because of the larger behavior.

Obama never had any of these problems because there was never any belief that he'd do it, much less get away with it. (Michelle woulda killed him). Cuomo on the other hand has the problem that it is believable, in the larger knowledge of who he is. Does that mean that every accusation is true? No. Franken's problems was that because of his former occupation and behavior as a comedian, the accusations could be seen as valid. Heck, they had photos. Does that mean he did anything wrong? No. Cuomo on the other hand should have known better and if 1/3 of it is anywhere close to "true", what the heck was he thinking?

[brush]

21. Investigate. After Cuomo's daily covid pressers, no one thought he'd do such things either.

He was viewed very favorably.

Suddenly accusers pop up and many believe. We'll see.

[zipplewrath]

29. Actually

While I appreciated his frank discussions and presentations, it was telling that it was him, instead of the experts that were advising him. Look at the comparison with Biden's efforts here, with his subordinates with expertise giving the daily/weekly briefings. It speaks to his hubris and sense of authority.

[brush]

33. That doesn't bother me. Most understood he got material from staff/experts.

[zipplewrath]

103. It was telling.

I often had to present the work of subordinates to our customers. I did it for one of two reason, both with having to do with "control". Either I didn't have confidence in a subordinates ability to communicate effectively with the customer, or it was part of a larger message of combined message of several disciplines. Either way, I wanted to be the communicator. There's an underlying hubris in that.

[Treefrog]

34. This is the best post I've seen. Thank you and I wish we could recommend individual posts.

I dislike this knee jerk reaction that no Dem would do this. We already know that is not true, sadly.

[treestar]

112. or the knee jerk reaction that "powerful men" always do

[zipplewrath]

193. Power tends to corrupt

That doesn't mean it always does, and often the "corruption" is more of a case of "rank has its privileges". But once one sees it, one should not ignore it either.

[Ilsa]

87. Thank you.

And I'll add that any woman who has been felt-up under the conference table during a meeting knows it is possible.

[treestar]

111. You are generalizing and then just proved your

broad brush to be wrong. A governor is only as "powerful" as the state constitution allows. Each one likely feels quite successful to have achieved that, but they don't all abuse the position. And what about female governors? A gay governor?

And Obama was "powerful" at least as far the the US Constitution provides. And there were many like him.

[stillcool]

18. it's like a Roger Stone

orchestration. I don't know what the deal is, but it's being deployed and amplified by someone who knows what they're doing.

[Thekaspervote]

26. Dotard wants a state level pardon..if he can weaken the dem position in NY a gop gov is elected

He’s won

Please please stop!

One really has to wonder about the timing..why now

[FakeNoose]

41. Exactly this

It's all too convenient for ... we know who.

Yes HIM!

The former guy who's headed to prison.

[LakeArenal]

101. I will not judge at this time. Investigate.

Then a trial.

Then I’ll make up my mind.

In any event I think it’s up to NY voters.

[Treefrog]

35. So these women, who are Democrats, are all lying? Is that right? Bribed by the rethugs?

Hokay.

[oasis]

38. "Women, who are Democrats" are not susceptible to corruption?

Hokay.

[stillcool]

44. Did I say that?

I have no facts to determine what the truth is, and I like investigation prior to condemnation. Hokay?

[treestar]

114. OMG just above you said there should

be no knee jerk reaction just because a person is a Democrat.

[lapucelle]

20. The groping allegation was reported to the Albany police by Cuomo's attorney

The Governor wants a police investigation.

Governor's Counsel Says Groping Allegation Against Cuomo Reported to Albany Police

A groping allegation against Governor Andrew Cuomo has been referred to the Albany Police Department, according to state officials.

The allegation was reported to police by the governor’s acting counsel, Beth Garvey, after the woman involved declined to make the report herself.

“As a matter of state policy when allegations of physical contact are made, the agency informs the complainant that they should contact their local police department,” Garvey wrote in a statement. "If they decline, the agency has an obligation to reach out themselves and inform the department of the allegation.

“In this case the person is represented by counsel and when counsel confirmed the client did not want to make a report, the state notified the police department and gave them the attorney’s information.“

snip=============================================================================================

There is an ongoing attorney general investigation into the sexual harassment allegations, and the most recent case would likely fall under its broad scope.

However, if the investigation finds any criminal wrongdoing, the attorney general would either have to request permission from the legislature to pursue criminal charges or it would have to refer the case to the local district attorney’s office.

In this case it would most likely fall under the jurisdiction of Albany County District Attorney David Soares since the alleged incident took place at the Executive Mansion in Albany.

A report would first have to be made by the woman herself, before an investigation could be launched through the Albany County district attorney’s office.

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2021/03/11/cuomo-groping-allegation-reported-to-albany-police-

[Cha]

48. Wow.. that sounds like

someone who is serious about clearing his name.

Mahalo for that, lapucelle

[lapucelle]

53. The New York Times broke the story...

...let's see what happens.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/11/nyregion/cuomo-groping-accusation-albany-police.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage


Didn't something similar happen during the Democratic primary last year?

Mahalo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cha]

57. Why yes it did! & the alleged

allegations were Investigated & the accuser was discovered to be a liar. with convenient timing that blew up in her face.. in spite of Chris Hayes' assist(lame try.. it blew up in his face, too).

[Deuxcents]

23. As a woman..

I know by experience what sexual harassment means..to me. I had a non traditional job n got baptized by fire at first. Granted, it was not in the me too time but..this stinks. I’m of the opinion Al Franken was a sloppy job to derail him, but the matter was his resignation..I might add..I thought he saw what was coming so he bowed out. I’m hoping that they take the time to listen to the women..it is important. He needs his voice, too. Politics is a dirty job..I’m sure Cuomo knows that.

[radius777]

24. The media's double standards are sickening.

Was watching MTP Sunday ... on the roundtable they were very negative about Cuomo, and one Repub woman even called him a sex pest and said we must have decency in gov't. Said nothing about Trump's lifetime of accusations against him, none of them iirc brought it up, making it look like Dems were the more unethical party.

The AG needs to investigate this issue. But it does seem suspicious that nothing has ever come out about Cuomo (aside from him being perceived as a bully, which I don't agree with as he's mild mannered for NY politics which are hardball) but suddenly when political rivals on both the right and left want his governors seat (election coming up in 2022) the knives come out. Just feels similar to the way a parade of women suddenly emerged against Biden in the primaries when all his life he had no accusations. Feels very swiftboat-y.

[brush]

30. Yeah, suddenly there's a parade of accusers.

[Treefrog]

36. And they are all Democrats. And women. So you think they are all liars? Wowza.

[radius777]

40. The Franken and Biden accusers were also "Dems",

there are political divisions and motivations even within a party.

The AG has to investigate, and let the facts show the way.

[pnwmom]

80. There weren't 5 current and former STAFFERS of Franken and Biden

making the allegations. And Cuomo's accusers weren't all even Democrats.

[brush]

46. Please. You said that, I didn't. I initiated the OP with a call for investigation...

you know, due process. Are you against that?

[ancianita]

88. +1

[Pathwalker]

50. Being a Democrat doesn't necessessarily mean they're Caesar's wife, either.

n/t

[Dem4Life1102]

84. Women kept silent about Bill Cosby for decades.

Same with Weinstein. Then the first woman spoke out and that gave other women the courage to speak up to. It’s the same pattern in all of these cases.

[treestar]

109. +1

With politicians, there's always that motive.

[JI7]

27. I agree but I do think he behaved like an ass and many Democrats want him out

I think he was an asshole to people but I don't really believe many of the sexual harassment claims.

[Nixie]

180. +1, hence the claims from "staffers" could be some

collective grudge. If he’s as bad as they say, it seems there would be more women from all walks of life he would have been harassing. Not just disgruntled staffers.

Trump had accusers from everywhere he went. All his accusers had diverse backgrounds and he harassed them where he encountered them. Cuomo is all staffers.

I got suspicious when I first saw who wanted him investigated. edit—and the timing of this pile-on with an upcoming election.

[doc03]

28. Many people on DU thought Cuomo should run

for President. There is a possibility due to Biden's age he
won't run in 2024. The Republicans have set their sights on attacking Kamala Harris. I just think they could be behind the some attacks on Cuomo to knock him out of the running also. Remember Hillary they ran a 20 year campaign on Hillary to knock her out. Then again maybe the accusations are true. People with power think they can get away with anything.

[Thekaspervote]

31. See post #26...

[JI7]

52. It's not Republicans doing this. It's from Democrats.

[joetheman]

113. Cuomo is as qualified as Trump was.

I never heard a recording of Cuomo saying he could grab 'em by the tits. But i did hear that tape of Trump bragging about grabbing women by the private parts.

[pandr32]

42. Unfortunately Roger Stone and others may be involved.

This feels exactly like what happened to Al Franken.
We need to be clear on something: while women deserve to be heard and supported dirty tricksters can line up victims easily--even Democrats. If bribes don't work threats do and it is not above Trump's circle to threaten women's livelihoods and families.

[Kaleva]

45. Don't force him to resign then.

Nobody here at DU will have any say in how this turns out.

It's an interesting topic of discussion and we as individuals may learn from it but in the end, what happens will happen.

[brush]

47. Yes. It has to play out.

[Kaleva]

79. I agree with you there.

But I'm not going to fret about it regardless on how it turns out. We have a deep bench and New York is a very blue state where Trump is quite unpopular.

[Cha]

49. brush, have you seen Post #20?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15216324

[pnwmom]

62. The woman could never prove it. How convenient for Cuomo.

I don't believe that 5 Democratic staffers are lying (plus Anna Ruch), or the other staffers who saw #6 break down in the meeting.

[brush]

132. Hi, Cha. Yes, I read it. She didn't want to report it.

Why not if it was so egregious?

[Cha]

134. I know! And, Gov Cuomo's

office did.

Like you say we'll see how this comes out.

Pres Biden's accuser didn't want to report her allegations, either.. not saying they're the same.. but, it seems strange.

[radius777]

161. +1. Similar pattern of nebulous sniffing/hugging charges - then boom a groping charge

to really go for the knock out punch. It feels like the Tara Reid/Roger Stone playbook.

AG must investigate. However, it is very curious that Cuomo could spend a generation in NY politics, that he would be doing this - and it wouldn't have spilled to the media and/or been used against him earlier? The idea that he was this all powerful man is false. His father had been defeated by Pataki and the 'Cuomo name' was no longer in vogue. He had even declined to run for governor at one point, iirc 2006. One could argue he only became governor due to the downfall of Spitzer (prostitution scandal), which left the NY Dems in dissaray and created the opening for Cuomo to run.

[Cha]

192. TY for that background.

I was living in upstate New York for the Spitzer blow up.

[allnews]

51. Why now?

Why so many accusations right now? A coincidence trump was in town last week? It’s hard to swallow knowing how criminal that bunch is and how low they will go. He should definitely not be forced out or resign. The charges started out so lame and seem to get worse with each accusation. I expect it to escalate to rape if they don’t get what they want. Why with the whole me too movement did they say nothing? I sure hate to see another al Frankenstein situation

[Grasswire2]

54. NOTE: that claim is hearsay. Told to media by someone else, not her.

And yet it is presented by media as if it is first-person direct reporting.

THAT is very fishy to me.

[live love laugh]

137. +1

[pnwmom]

58. I find it hard to believe that 5 Democratic women, all staffers of his,

would make up stories of his behaving inappropriately with them.

And this last woman was discovered because she broke down at a staff meeting, but she doesn't want her name known. So she can't be accused of doing it for the publicity.

I do believe Cuomo was that stupid. He'd spent a lifetime getting away with being handsy, and so he thought he could.

[brush]

75. You believe it already without an investigation?

No due process.

[pnwmom]

81. How will an investigation prove what Cuomo did in private with a staffer at his home?

It can't, and he knows it.

[brush]

135. All of the incidents weren't in private at his home.

And didn't the first one allegedly happen on an airplane—the strip poker one—that was quickly debunked by two witnesses who were on the plane?

Investigate, please.

[pnwmom]

136. So it's all good as long as any incident happened in private with no witnesses?

As a woman who also experienced sexual harassment in a closed door office, I don't know how a woman could prove that happened.

[brush]

138. You're being a tad unreasonable. You sound ready to convict...

without any further ado. If the first allegation that began this drip, drip, drip against Cuomo was immediately proven wrong, reasonable people would probably think an investigation is needed since the first accusation went down in flames.

[caber09]

140. Exactly!

[pnwmom]

142. With not one but 5 staffers reporting inappropriate behavior, I think he should resign. nt

[brush]

144. Well, we know what you think, but an investigation is still in order...

before any resignation or exoneration.

[caber09]

139. Come on we already discussed this...

Boylans claimed witnesses and got debunked...the lady at Ann Rusch had plenty of witnesses at wedding then asked cuomo for a photo after the fact...and Hinton returned returned to work for him again and the latest accuser has at least twice refused to file a police report...let the investigation play out

[pnwmom]

143. The fact that the woman went to work for him again proves nothing

except she needed a responsible job with a good salary.

And the fact that the latest accuser won't file a police report -- after breaking down emotionally at the staff meeting -- tells me that doesn't want to become the face of the Governor's downfall. She'd be putting a huge target on her back, and I can't blame her for not wanting to be that woman.

[caber09]

145. So with all the press conferences cuomo..

Has given..including on this topic...what made her suddenly watch it and react...I'm sure the investigations will find out and cuomos office asking for the police to touch base with her she'll have to answer their questions now too

[pnwmom]

148. What made her watch it? Her supervisor made her watch it, along with everyone else in the office.

They were all watching it, together, when this woman became emotional. At least one of the supervisors there (reports imply there may have been more than one) spoke to her then and heard this woman's allegation, and reported it.

What made the woman react? The Governor's claim that he had never acted inappropriately with a woman.

And, no, she won't be forced to talk to the police. That's not how it works.

[caber09]

149. So you are ok..

With her just making the allegations and not filing a report or pressing charges? That is how it works she made an allegation if she repeatedly won't file a report her credibility is effected...why not file a report?

[pnwmom]

151. I don't think there will be any way to prove the allegations of these 5 staffers,

because with four of them, the actions were in private.

We're left considering Cuomo, and what he said, versus the women, and what they said. And I think we can do better in the 2022 election than having to defend Cuomo's quest for a 4th term, after fudging the Covid numbers and facing the allegations of multiple women.

Along with the creepy photo of Cuomo with yet another woman at the wedding.

Link to tweet

I think we'd be better off running an incumbent Gov. Kathy Hochul.

[caber09]

154. That is the photo that's not a different person...

Then after this she still asked for a photo with him ans he walked away..you keep saying they all happened in private yet this one was in front of people, lots of witnesses..and boylan said there were witnesses to what she is claiming

[pnwmom]

164. I said that the events with the 5 staffers were in private, and then you pointed out Boylan

to me. So that leaves 4.

I have never included Ruch among the group with no witnesses, but I know she's not a staffer and have no idea if she's even a Democrat.

[caber09]

166. Please do your research...

Ruch was so distraught that she then asked for a photo with cuomo after the fact..then he walked away he didn't pursue her or try talking to her...she then realized she was so angry wanted him to apologize and sought him out but couldn't find him...then said she had no way of getting in touch with him to demand that apology...accept she worked for Obama and Biden so IF she really wanted to get in touch with cuomo she could've figured out a way to

[pnwmom]

168. Women who have been harassed often have confused feelings, to the point they discount

what happened and even blame themselves. And some people, especially introverts, are USUALLY processors, not really reacting to things in the moment, but in a kind of delayed reaction.

I don't think there was anything odd in her reaction. She was in a state of mild shock when it happened, and as time went on, an understanding of the inappropriateness of what he had done reached her brain.

And yet, there is that photo. And that fake smile of hers, that stiff way she's holding her head, says it all. That, and Cuomo's smirk.

[caber09]

170. So why didn't she contact cuomo for an apology afterward?

[caber09]

146. The fact that the woman went to work for him again proves nothing...

You are kidding right? Hinton felt so uncomfortable with cuomo that she returned to work for him later on..I am sure that will be of interest to the investigators..how can that not be? She had a choice to return to work for him, no one forced her to...you are ready to convict without an investigation unfortunately for your willingness to prematurely convict...it's a two way street and questions on all sides will have to be answered...why are you afraid having the investigation play out...if it determines he did something illegal he will have to go..but he also has a right to defend himself

[pnwmom]

152. You probably aren't a woman because you seem to have no idea how common

that sort of male misbehavior is. She could have had other men treat her the same way, before Cuomo. How would she know how her next boss would behave?

[caber09]

155. What does that have to do with wanting an investigation to play out?

No I am not a woman..I'm all for an investigation...you aren't understanding...she worked for him for awhile after this...left for while working elsewhere..and came back to work for him again down the line ..why would she do that?

[pnwmom]

157. It has to do with her motivation, which you have questioned.

I just explained why she might go to work for him again. Though his behavior was inappropriate, it could have been WORSE with someone else. How would she know? Or maybe Cuomo's job offered better pay and more responsibility. There are many possible reasons for a woman to take a job with a less than wonderful boss.

Women often have to make these kind of trade-offs. It's not unusual.

P.S. Ever hear of Anita Hill? One of the Republican slams against her credibility was that she had followed Clarence Thomas to another job. That was almost exactly the same situation. At that time, most Democrats seemed to understand her point of view.

Things seemed to have changed when a Democrat is accused.

[caber09]

158. So you are saying that..

Hinton an outspoken defender of and expert on harassment victims would go on down the line to return to work for the person who harassed her? Again you seem awfully determined not to have an investigation play out

[pnwmom]

160. Yes. So you are saying that Anita Hill, the lawyer and accuser of Clarence Thomas,

an employee at the Equal Opportunity Commission, lacks credibility because she followed her harasser to another good job? That's what the R's all said. Apparently you agree.

I want the stronger candidate to go against the R in 2022, and that will not be the person who fudged the Covid data and has been accused by multiple staffers of harassing them. And I don't believe any investigation can come up with firm answers, when most of his alleged behaviors took place in private with no witnesses.

[caber09]

163. Anita hill didn't leave and then

Establish herself as a well known outspoken defender of victims and then a few years later return to work for Thomas before accusing him..did she? Are you from ny? Hochul is not well known, you want the gop to win gov position and pardon trump bec convicting cuomo before an investigation will make that much easier

[pnwmom]

165. By your logic, she should never have taken another job with him. No one forced her to.

But she obviously took it for the reason Cuomo's staffer did. She weighed the variables and decided it was the best she could do.

I don't have to be from NY to know that Cuomo's been making a lot of enemies there, including among the Democrats. Have you been paying attention to the legislature there? They're not running to his defense.

The Democrats are leading an effort to impeach him. 40% of the Dems signed a statement asking him to resign. That's a lot of support for someone to lose who's hoping for a 4th term.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/11/nyregion/cuomo-resign-sexual-harassment.html

“The reports of accusations concerning the governor are serious,” the Assembly speaker, Carl E. Heastie, a Democrat, said in a statement, adding that the “impeachment investigation” will encompass interviewing witnesses, subpoenaing documents and evaluating evidence.

The announcement came on the same day that 59 Democrats in the State Legislature — about 40 percent of the party’s members in the Assembly and the Senate — signed on to a statement demanding that Mr. Cuomo immediately resign in the wake of allegations from women, including current and former aides, who have accused him of harassment or inappropriate behavior.

[caber09]

167. I live in NY, I have been paying attention..

The Dems here should let the investigation play out...heastie and deblasio have their own problems they need to deal with I'm sure they don't mind this as a distraction..biaggis father got in trouble with feds when Mario was governor no lost there either...again curious that you seem awfully dismissive of an investigation and due process

[pnwmom]

169. I think an investigation will drag on for months, if not years, and at the end

we won't know any more than we already do.

And Cuomo will limp along to face election for his 4th term.

Great.

[ahoysrcsm]

171. Great!

[caber09]

172. So you are admitting that you don't care whether innocent or guilty?y

You're admitting you don't care if he's innocent or guilty? You don't want an investigation or due process? I think we are done here...I've repeatedly called for an investigation to find out the truth...if he did something illegal he should be gone..but allegations have to be backed up, innocent until proven guilty.

[pnwmom]

173. I care that we win. And I think NY has a better candidate, Lt. Gov. Kathy Hochul.

And this isn't about a criminal trial. No one is talking about depriving Cuomo of his civil rights..

We're talking about an elective office, not a prison cell. We're all free to decide who we support and who we don't. And we're free to have a higher standard than "not proven guilty."

[caber09]

174. Do you know anything about Hochul?

She is not well known she's from upstate she's a moderate would have trouble pulling from nyc westChester and Long Island...trump is gearing up for his puppet lee zeldin from Long Island to run....are you knowledgeable about ny demograohics? At this rate you are looking at risking handing governorship to the Rs. Have a good night let's see if any police reports get filed moving forward

[pnwmom]

175. Hah, I had another DUer inform me both that she was too moderate and she'd never

appeal to the liberals near NYC, and that she'd never win in the centrist part of the state.

LOL. She sounds perfect.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/01/kathy-hochul-democrats-new-york-424760

Tom Perez, chair of the Democratic National Committee, described Hochul as a "force of nature," adding that "she has been essential to building a deep bench of strong Democratic leaders in New York State and across the country."

Jacobs said the lieutenant governor "understands the need to do the politics, not just when she’s up for reelection. You see a lot of politicians out and about when their name is on the ballot. She is out and about when anyone’s name is on the ballot, as long as there’s a ‘D’ after it.”

[Dan]

89. I don't know what happened, because I was not there...

I know that (some or most) men can and will do stupid things... it happens.

But I also know, that just because you're a woman, doesn't mean your mouth is a prayer book.

[pnwmom]

94. How many female staffers of his have to make allegations before you'll believe them?

We're up to 5 of his staffers now -- one who broke down in tears in front of other staffers, including more than one supervisor -- and Anna Ruch.

[Dan]

104. I will await the outcome of the investigation.

There are no Angels in this world.

[pnwmom]

105. The investigation is unlikely to prove anything, since none of the women staffers

said his harassment occurred in front of witnesses.

So does he get a free pass then? Harass your employees in private, and you can do anything?

[Dan]

115. Maybe it is a situation where the Voters have to decide.

But, the old saying better a few go free than convict an innocent man.

[pnwmom]

117. Meh. He's already had 3 terms. I think the current Lt. Gov., running as an incumbent,

would have a much better chance against the Republican, whoever that may be.

As opposed to the guy who fudged the numbers on nursing home Covid deaths while he may or may not have been harassing his staffers.

[caber09]

119. Nope..

Hochul is very moderate and is not well known, she's from upstate and would be weak against zeldin astorino and/or Molinaro..ny gov is not slam dunk..I live in New York it's not the lefty liberal bastion people think it is

[pnwmom]

121. If she is "very moderate" why would she have a special problem

in a state that is "not the lefty liberal bastion people think it is"?

She sounds perfect.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/03/who-is-andrew-cuomos-lieutenant-governor-kathy-hochul.html

[caber09]

122. She is not well known...

She is from upstate, most people here have no idea what she is believing she will be as shoo in for re-election..an unknown moderate who can't pull big numbers in nyc Long Island and westChester has no shot especially if going against well known Rs...the overall over confidence that a r gov won't win in 2022 will be our undoing

[pnwmom]

123. Like a Governor with a history of fudging Covid facts and accusations of harassment

is so much of a better bet.

She may not be known well YET, but she'd have almost two years as an incumbent Governor to make herself more well known.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/03/who-is-andrew-cuomos-lieutenant-governor-kathy-hochul.html

The Buffalo News’ editorial board, in its endorsement of Hochul for lieutenant governor in 2018, emphasized her solid record of public service for western New York, her economic-development efforts, and her advocacy for women, noting that she “sees the governor-lieutenant governor relationship as akin to that of Barack Obama and Joe Biden — someone in sync with the chief’s priorities … She is the face of the initiatives, making appearances, leading task forces, and rallying support in the community and with legislators.”

She has famously made a point of visiting every county in the state (by car) each year she has served as lieutenant governor, is reportedly partial to drop-ins at diners to talk with locals, and didn’t let up on her in-person style of politics during the pandemic — often traveling to attend virtual events in various parts of the state rather than logging in for them from Albany. From March to the end of last year, she still made it to every county, gave more than 500 interviews, and was particularly focused on the administration’s pandemic response in western New York.

(SNIP)
Is she like Cuomo?

No. Hochul seems to be widely respected — and liked — by Democratic officials and lawmakers statewide, as she is constantly on the front lines meeting with them, and bends over backward to help out on campaigns small and large, sometimes even for Democrats outside the state. As the Buffalo News explains in a look at her potential post-Cuomo coalition:

It is clear that Gov. Kathy Hochul would be the temperamental opposite of the temperamental Cuomo, who has kept Hochul at a bit of a distance. Hochul’s personal warmth serves as her political fuel, an asset that’s allowed her to forge deep political ties across the state while pushing the governor’s message.

[caber09]

124. Accusations...that's why we investigate..

There's a reason most of that article only references the Buffalo news...not any other major ny papers..after years as lt gov..Let's see if any charges are filed or reports are filed, so far even the latest case has decided against filing a report...now she'll have talk because the Albany police dept is involved..and now you are on him for classifying the deaths wrong...again let the investigations play out, if he is found to have done something wrong then time to go...until then let the investigations oaky out...why so against waiting for the findings? Why so against due process?

[pnwmom]

125. None of the women have said there were any witnesses to what he did.

So the investigation is unlikely to turn up anything, other than more allegations.

How many would be enough for you, if the claims of 5 former and current staffers isn't enough?

[caber09]

126. Now you are lying about the women...

"None of the women have said there were any witnesses to what he did."

The one from the wedding said he did it in front of a crowd and there is a very public picture of it..she then asked for a photo with him after the whole incident by the way...and boylan said an aide and state trooper were present and witnessed what happened between him and her on the plane

[pnwmom]

130. I've been talking about the STAFFERS. Read back, and you'll see.

I don't know if the wedding woman -- who was obviously uncomfortable -- is even a Democrat, much less a staffer.

And I wasn't lying, as you so insultingly say. I hadn't heard that Boylan said she had witnesses. Thanks for the info! I'll have to read more about that now.

[caber09]

131. Fair enough..

Boylan was a staffer...This is also boylans 2nd or 3rd shot at tying this behavior to cuomo...when she was running against nadler in primary last year, when cuomo was rumored to be vetted for AG...and now she's running for Manhattan boro president...here from the NYT about witnesses..."In October 2017, Ms. Boylan wrote, the governor joked that they should play strip poker while on a flight back from an event in Western New York. The two were in close quarters, sitting across from one another on the plane, with a press aide and a state trooper sitting nearby."

Hinton was 20 years ago and she became an outspoken supporter of victims..yet she was so distraught by what happened that she returned later to work for cuomo as a consultant...why would she come back to work for him?

[caber09]

127. How many more? That's why we investigate..

Get to the bottom of it and find the truth, innocent until proven guilty...let's see if they answer to investigators or under oath

[radius777]

176. +1. Hochul is the female Al Gore.

She has the same problems with the left Cuomo has, but none of his starpower and appeal to PoC. She barely won her primary in 2018, whereas her running mate Cuomo won by 30 points. I can't see her winning a Dem primary in 2022 if she barely won in 'better times'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_New_York_gubernatorial_election#Democratic_primary

[Dan]

128. Well, not that familiar with NY politics, but

like someone said above.... I hope that NY doesn't go R, because it would be terrible for the new R governor to pardon Trump. Which if you elect a R, - ah, would almost guarantee a pardon.

[caber09]

129. Trumps puppet zeldin from Long Island...

He is well known on Long Island, trump
Is pushing him to run...and astorino who lost to cuomo could beat an unknown or a too far left democrat too...this is not a slam dunk especially with this stuff fracturing the party...trump is frothing at mouth knowing a pardon could be two years away

[bucolic_frolic]

61. Agree

If they happened, don't know how they ALL were underground for so long.

It's a payday bandwagon once it gets going?

[dawg day]

63. I think I've been around a lot of boorish powerful men--

They think they're entitled and impermeable.
They do what they want to do.

I'm not saying all these women are telling the total truth, but I very much doubt they're all lying. Their version of Cuomo sounds like one of those boorish men I know, who don't think they're doing anything wrong, because, you know, when you're a star....

Investigate, for sure.
I think Franken should have done a Larry Craig and hung on for years, and that Eliot Spitzer should have swallowed up the bad, confess all, and go on being governor.

But I also am pretty sure that a rather high percentage of powerful men take the opportunity to grope, to grab, to "tease", to "flirt", and to generally make the women around them feel threatened.

Problem is, if we get rid of all these men, we get rid of a lot of power, knowledge, and skill (several journalists of course also have been forced out for this).

I hope men in power and wealth in the future will have more care about how quickly that can all dissipate if they can't keep their hands and comments to themselves.

[Mr.Bill]

64. Here's my prediction:

As soon as Merrick Garland starts investigating Trump or republicans in Congress, he'll be the next target.

[Lonestarblue]

65. If the accusations are true, reports should have been filed lodging a complaint.

This last one especially should have generated a report. That’s why an investigation is so necessary. If no complaints were filed, then it mostly becomes his word against theirs. I know there’s a photo of him putting his hands on the face of one woman, but that, to me at least, is not proof of sexual harassment. And I think the one claiming he asked her to play strip poker on an airplane has already been denied by other staff on the plane.

Governor Cuomo has been in politics for many years and has been governor since 2011. He also served as NY AG and the Secretary of HUD. It seems to me that a man who indulges in sexual harassment does that because it is a pattern—think about Trump on the Access Hollywood tapes and the dozens of women who accused him of harassment and rape over a period of years, starting when he was young. To suddenly start harassing women seems unusual. Yet to my knowledge, this is the first time Governor Cuomo has been accused of inappropriate behavior after spending decades in public office. That’s what just doesn’t ring true. I never believed the accusations against Al Franken either, and I think many people here agree that he was railroaded. I hope there’s a complete investigation of these claims against Governor Cuomo. Otherwise his career is over.

[dawg day]

73. I heard this last one did tell her supervisor-

Usually, alas, if a supervisor is going to advise, "Keep your mouth shut," they don't report it or keep a record of it.

[caber09]

76. The last ones was reported..

The accuser is refusing still to file a report but bec she reported it and someone did the right thing and reported it the state...albany police are now involved...now she will have to talk...the fact she still hasn't filed a report makes it very interesting


In this case, the person is represented by counsel and when counsel confirmed the client did not want to make a report, the state notified the police department and gave them the attorney’s information,” Ms. Garvey added.

Let the investigation play out he should not resign as of now

[pnwmom]

82. The staffer's supervisor DID file a report, after the staffer broke down in a meeting

and told the supervisor why.

The staffer doesn't want to go public, and I don't blame her. Many women wouldn't want to be forever associated with an incident like this.

[caber09]

85. She didn't file a report with the police...

But now the police are involved and she hasn't filed a report with them...now they will be going to her to ask questions she'll have to talk now otherwise it looks bad

[Ponietz]

67. If the police and military have a white nationalist problem so do the newsrooms

[Hekate]

83. Meanwhile, I have a list of Republican governors here who banished all mask mandates...

Just sayin’ — get your due process in order.

Do. Not. Franken. Democratic. Governors.

[TygrBright]

86. Three words: Clinton. Cigar. Dress.

People who reach positions of great power construct a bubble around themselves and part of it is their belief that they are "above" the rules for ordinary people, that they cannot be called to account, that what THEY do is somehow fundamentally different/sanctioned because of Who They Are.

And until they get publicly held to account, this will keep happening.

wearily,
Bright

[PatrickforB]

90. I'm always good with due process. As you say, if Cuomo was THAT dumb in this day and

age then he needs to get out.

But if these allegations prove to be spurious, then he should stay.

[progressoid]

91. I find it hard to believe that people here think this is some sort of conspiracy directed by Trump

or his sycophants.

So...apparently 5 Democratic women were secretly working for the GOP. Then it was decided that February/March of an off-year would be the best time to come out to frame Cuomo? WTF?

[pnwmom]

156. Me, too. I think the R's would LOVE a muddied-up Cuomo to face in 2022,

instead of an incumbent Democratic Governor named Kathy Huchol.

[iluvtennis]

93. Yes, please investigate. I'm tired of Dems being Franken'ed. nt

[katmondoo]

95. It is very suspicious coming at this time.

[judesedit]

102. Agree

[treestar]

106. Yes, investigate

and no resigning before that.

[BobTheSubgenius]

116. Every time I hear about a case like this, I think "Al Franken."

And I get angry all over again. Also sad, because he was doing so well, and could have accomplished a lot more.

[pnwmom]

118. Al Franken and Cuomo have little in common other than they're both Dems. n/t

[caber09]

120. Again let the investigation play out..

Why seemingly so against an investigation playing out...what happens if these accusations ring untrue or greatly exaggerated? Due process should be kept, let the investigation play out before removing him, doing it before an investigation is done is foolish to say the least

[WarGamer]

133. I caught a hide last week for opining about Cuomo.

So I'll just stay quiet and watch for more accusers.

[Deep State Witch]

147. I Smell a Rat

A big, Florida-based one with Richard Nixon tattooed on his back. Stone took down Spitzer and Franken. He's probably doing Cuomo as a favor to the Orange Turd.

[brush]

150. Could it be a payback for the pardon that stopped him from going to jail?

[gldstwmn]

162. This is a coordinated attack.

Cui bono?

[pnwmom]

177. If it's coming from the R's, it's incredibly stupid.

Lt. Gov. Kathy Hochul would be a harder candidate for them to beat in 2022.

[caber09]

179. No she wouldn't

As another DUer just pointed out...
She has the same problems with the left Cuomo has, but none of his starpower and appeal to PoC. She barely won her primary in 2018, whereas her running mate Cuomo won by 30 points. I can't see her winning a Dem primary in 2022 if she barely won in 'better times'.

[pnwmom]

181. Cuomo's "star power" is considerably diminished. If Kathy Hochul became Governor now,

she'd have almost 2 years to travel around the state, building support.

But you seem to have forgotten that she beat the Republican by 24 points in 2018, so all she'd have to do is repeat that success.

https://ballotpedia.org/Kathy_Hochul


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/01/kathy-hochul-democrats-new-york-424760

Tom Perez, chair of the Democratic National Committee, described Hochul as a "force of nature," adding that "she has been essential to building a deep bench of strong Democratic leaders in New York State and across the country."

Jacobs said the lieutenant governor "understands the need to do the politics, not just when she’s up for reelection. You see a lot of politicians out and about when their name is on the ballot. She is out and about when anyone’s name is on the ballot, as long as there’s a ‘D’ after it.”

[radius777]

183. She won't be the nominee.

If she were the Dem nominee she would likely easily beat the Repub nominee. But the real 'game' is within the Dem primary and that is where she will face heavy hitters from the anti-Cuomo left, but without any appeal to PoC like he has. Thus, I see the left winning the nomination. The left of course often overestimates their appeal to general election voters, especially if they put up someone with similar policies to de Blasio, who is widely unpopular. In such a scenario the Repubs could win if they put up a moderate with at least some appeal to PoC.

[pnwmom]

184. She'll have a significant edge over any Dem if she becomes Governor soon. n/t

[caber09]

186. She doesn't understand what's happening here..

And is ok with condemning cuomo without an investigation, they think Hochul cruising to victory is a sure thing...they think no R can win in NY...in other words they are falling hook line sinker, this is an attempt to secure the governorship for trumps eventual pardon.your scenario is highly likely Hochul loses in primary to a much further left candidate who goes on to lose the general...why not see what the investigation finds..why is she afraid of its finding..I'm a cuomo fan of the investigation says he did something illegal he should go..unfortunately she is not willing to do the same from her vantage point

[krawhitham]

182. Look Al Franken had to be pushed out in order to win against Roy Moore

Most Alabama TV news started running BS stories about how the Dems were just all talk about #MeToo and how there was no real proof against Roy Moore

Doug Jones beat a pedophile by only 1.7%

Without Doug Jones the ACA was gone because the GOP still had the house at the time. Trump and the Turtle were waiting for McCain to die to try again

Al announced he was resigning on Dec 7th, the election was on Dec, 12th.

[pnwmom]

185. You're right. Thanks for the reminder. n/t

[maxrandb]

188. This is a problem

Since Democrats support policies that advance equality, respect and advancement of women.

Since Democrats have placed women's rights in the workplace and over her own body and choices as a central tenet of public policy.

Since Democrats have done more by 6AM to advance women's fight for equality, than the Retrumplican Party has done in 200 years...

Because of all that. Because Dems are champions of issues important to women, then ALL accusations against Democrats MUST result in them leaving any position of power that impacts the rights of women.

Do I have that right?

Because of democrats support for women's equality, they must leave any position that can help push women's issues forward if there is even one accusation, or 10?

Thanks, but I think I prefer to go the "due process" route before we start destroying the ONLY political party the doesn't take the "barefoot and pregnant" approach when it comes to women's rights in our society.

[brush]

194. Agreed, and well said.

[hamsterjill]

187. I feel like Cuomo is being ganged up on

Too many accusers coming out all of a sudden. Wasn’t he considered “most eligible bachelor” (or whatever the moniker is) at one point? I have doubts that he was hard pressed to find female companionship.

I’m not saying he’s innocent. But I’m tired of the snowball effect. One person accused and then all of a sudden others start. It feels intentional.

Let’s have the investigation before the guy is crucified. That’s all I’m asking.

[MineralMan]

191. Yeah. You'd think he'd be smarter than that, however

there are a lot of guys who are gropers. I have heard that from many of the women I've known in my life. Just about every woman I know has experienced some guy who groped them at some time or another. For a lot of them, it was during their teen years when they were just started dating.

I don't know Cuomo, so I have no idea if he is a groper or not.

I never was, not even as a teenager. It's just not my style. I either asked or waited until the other person took the initiative and suggested it or physically moved my hand. I can't imagine groping anyone anywhere without actual permission or through the other person's actions.

But, I've heard from almost every woman I know well that they have been groped without permission at sometime or another. Their reactions to that varied a lot, of course. But it's a common experience, apparently. My wife told me that a kid in high school groped her on her very first date with him. She said that she told him, "Knock that crap off and take me home." She was already not a person who tolerates such things.

So, I suppose that Cuomo might have done that, but I don't know the man. Such crude behavior on the part of many men is pretty common, from what I understand, though.