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Wed Jan 11, 2012, 08:39 AM

10 Years



In pictures: Ten years of Guantanamo Bay
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-16503410

Ten years of 'Gitmo' -- and more to come
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/11/world/analysis-gitmo-ten-years/?hpt=us_t2

The lingering stain of Guantanamo
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/the-lingering-stain-of-guantanamo-20120110-1ptfy.html



'Tortured' Guantanamo Bay prisoner seeks release of secret videos
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/10/10081516-tortured-guantanamo-bay-prisoner-seeks-release-of-secret-videos

Faces of Guantanamo: Detainees Who Were Unjustly Imprisoned
http://globalspin.blogs.time.com/2012/01/11/faces-of-guantanamo-detainees-who-were-unjustly-imprisoned/#ixzz1j9SGjKuz

Guantanamo: 10th anniversary of a symbol of shame
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-gitmo-20120110,0,1845343.story




Happy 10th Birthday, Guantanamo Bay
http://battleland.blogs.time.com/2012/01/11/happy-10th-birthday-guantanamo-bay/

Ten years later, Guantanamo still harms us all
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/01/10/ED2F1MNA60.DTL


Guantánamo Bay 10-year anniversary: timeline
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9006682/Guantanamo-Bay-10-year-anniversary-timeline.html




10 years. 120 months. 3,652 days. 87,658 hours.

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Reply 10 Years (Original post)
Solly Mack Jan 2012 OP
madokie Jan 2012 #1
Bandit Jan 2012 #2
Solly Mack Jan 2012 #4
eShirl Jan 2012 #12
BlueIris Jan 2012 #3
Solly Mack Jan 2012 #5
Matariki Jan 2012 #7
Solly Mack Jan 2012 #8
Matariki Jan 2012 #30
Solly Mack Jan 2012 #34
Hell Hath No Fury Jan 2012 #6
Solly Mack Jan 2012 #9
Capitalocracy Jan 2012 #33
Solly Mack Jan 2012 #35
eShirl Jan 2012 #10
Solly Mack Jan 2012 #14
gratuitous Jan 2012 #11
Solly Mack Jan 2012 #13
jwirr Jan 2012 #15
Solly Mack Jan 2012 #18
jwirr Jan 2012 #23
spanone Jan 2012 #16
Solly Mack Jan 2012 #19
Uncle Joe Jan 2012 #17
Solly Mack Jan 2012 #20
Uncle Joe Jan 2012 #21
Solly Mack Jan 2012 #22
wildbilln864 Jan 2012 #24
Solly Mack Jan 2012 #28
barbtries Jan 2012 #25
Solly Mack Jan 2012 #26
rug Jan 2012 #27
Solly Mack Jan 2012 #29
Bonobo Jan 2012 #31
Solly Mack Jan 2012 #37
yardwork Jan 2012 #32
Solly Mack Jan 2012 #40
woo me with science Jan 2012 #36
xiamiam Jan 2012 #38
Solly Mack Jan 2012 #41
cyberpj Jan 2012 #39
Solly Mack Jan 2012 #42

Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 08:44 AM

1. America will never be able to live this one down

In time it will be shown that where America went wrong was the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq. This is a stain that will never ever be cleaned up. In some ways we all own this too, for it was us who allowed the bushco criminals to continue on their scorched earth policies

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Response to madokie (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 10:06 AM

2. Actually I put the entire blame upon the Extreme Court

They put the Republicans in Power with a decision that was unprecedented.. The Entire purpose of the Supreme Court is to establish legal precedent. Never in their entire history have they ever ruled upon any matter that did not establish legal precedent until Bush* v Gore.....

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Response to madokie (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 04:04 PM

4. Hey, madokie.

Hard to clean up the blood stains of torture/war crimes, I agree.

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Response to madokie (Reply #1)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 04:47 PM

12. I think you are right.

I can't express the horror I feel.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 10:08 AM

3. Ugly. And a lot of the time, I find myself asking

whether any of the prisoners there really did anything to deserve to be there. How close am I to winding up there?

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Response to BlueIris (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 04:09 PM

5. Quite a few were turned over for the bounty by people who wanted the money.

Not because they did anything - but because someone wanted the money....and then they were held for years, for no reason.

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Response to BlueIris (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 04:28 PM

7. Not one of them "deserves" torture and indefinite imprisonment without a trial

and there are many who committed no crime or had connections to Al Qaeda but are there due to the bounty offered for turning people in.

This is truly a terrible shame for this country.

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Response to Matariki (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 04:33 PM

8. Absolutely true. No one deserves torture or indefinite detention.

I honestly don't think that was BlueIris's meaning.

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #8)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 11:33 PM

30. Oh no. I didn't think it was.

I certainly didn't mean that as criticism of BlueIris's post. The topic makes me very upset.

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Response to Matariki (Reply #30)

Thu Jan 12, 2012, 12:11 AM

34. I understand. It angers me and sickens me ...all at the same time.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 04:10 PM

6. Thank you for remembering.

 

So many have forgot, so many more now make excuses.

Like the WW2 internment, this will be our Nations' shame.

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Response to Hell Hath No Fury (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 04:36 PM

9. Hard to forget. I don't know how anyone puts it out of their mind.

How does one just opt to pretend people weren't tortured? abused?




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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #9)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 11:43 PM

33. One has to put some things out of their mind to continue living their day-to-day life...

and apparently, some people are really, really good at that, to the point where they don't even care that this sort of thing happens.

Too many people seem to be quite happy about it.

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Response to Capitalocracy (Reply #33)

Thu Jan 12, 2012, 12:14 AM

35. True...all too true.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 04:38 PM

10. omg

this is how a loved one of mine looked when they were in the hospital for weeks and almost died
so skinny & atrophied muscles

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Response to eShirl (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 04:51 PM

14. Some were carried off planes on gurneys and some were interrogated on gurneys.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 04:39 PM

11. But, but, but, but . . . The worst of the worst!

And we know that's true because of America's exceptionally exceptional power to act justly in all places, in all cases. Why do you hate America? Still some room there, you know.

This is and continues to be fucked up beyond all measure and reason.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #11)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 04:51 PM

13. Of course! The U.S. always acts in...what's that phrase? Oh, yes - "good faith"

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 05:39 PM

15. This is the shame we will carry with us for our entire lives. I have felt this regarding the death

camps in Germany even though I have always been a US citizen of German descent. In the back of my mind has always been the question what would I have done if I had been born in Germany?

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Response to jwirr (Reply #15)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 06:00 PM

18. I didn't do enough to stop Bush/Cheney..the all too compliant Congress. Not sure what I could have

done but, me being me, I still feel I should have done something more.

I've felt helpless - unable to stop it or to promote prosecutions of the guilty. (as both Cheney, Bush, as well as the CIA have all admitted to torture, they're guilty)

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #18)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 06:53 PM

23. That's the feeling. When we think rationally we know there was nothing we could do but yet always

you wonder.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 05:48 PM

16. shame on us.

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Response to spanone (Reply #16)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 06:02 PM

19. Yes. As much as some would want to distance themselves from it all

The actions of our government do reflect on us as a nation....as a people.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 05:53 PM

17. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Solly Mack.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #17)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 06:05 PM

20. I wish we weren't marking the 10 year 'anniversary' of GTMO.

I wish we were posting threads about the prosecutions of America's war criminals. Maybe even marking the 1 year 'anniversary' thereof...

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #20)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 06:19 PM

21. I was thinking something along those lines, war criminals; Cheney, Bush and Rumsfield are still free

and have been absolved of their obvious crimes.

This is a long and good read but the incongruity of your OP and our posts brings to mind this essay by Albert Einstein re:socialism during the McCarthy Witch Hunt Era, on the Good Reads Forum.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10166549

"But historic tradition is, so to speak, of yesterday; nowhere have we really overcome what Thorstein Veblen called “the predatory phase” of human development. The observable economic facts belong to that phase and even such laws as we can derive from them are not applicable to other phases. Since the real purpose of socialism is precisely to overcome and advance beyond the predatory phase of human development, economic science in its present state can throw little light on the socialist society of the future."

Peace to you Solly Mack.



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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 06:28 PM

22. Thanks, Uncle Joe!!

and to you!

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 07:18 PM

24. k & fucking r! nt

 

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Response to wildbilln864 (Reply #24)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 09:31 PM

28. Thanks, wildbill

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 09:08 PM

25. it's wrong

and it gets more wrong by the day.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #25)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 09:29 PM

26. Yep.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 09:31 PM

27. Sickening.

 

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Response to rug (Reply #27)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 10:48 PM

29. and always has been.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 11:39 PM

31. Screw Godwin. One can ONLY use must use "nazi" fully express the level of crimes against humanity

Anyone who thinks this is not Fascism, is not worth speaking to.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #31)

Thu Jan 12, 2012, 12:26 AM

37. There is a difference...the Nazis were prosecuted.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Wed Jan 11, 2012, 11:41 PM

32. Our shame. Our responsibility. Our collective guilt.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #32)

Thu Jan 12, 2012, 12:44 AM

40. Yes

The actions of our government do reflect on us as a nation....as a people. We can pretend it doesn't...but we're just lying to ourselves.

I know it's not fair or just or right to blame all the citizens for the actions of government...but it isn't fair or right or just to torture people either. It's wrong to not prosecute those who do engage in torture.

We've got a lot of chickens just biding their time before they come home to roost.



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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Thu Jan 12, 2012, 12:24 AM

36. Just imagine ten years from now if Occupy does not succeed.

Look what is happening just this year, at a record clip, under a Democratic President:

SOPA, internet ID's, indefinite detention, targeted assassinations of American citizens, coordinated brutal assaults on peaceful protesters, labeling of protesters as "terrorists," surveillance of American citizens without warrants, defense of corrupt banks, systematic shredding of support systems for the poor, etc., etc., etc.

This is not a matter of Democrat versus Republican. This is a matter of a corporate ruling class moving swiftly to solidify their power over an awakening public, and it is happening on a bipartisan basis.

Occupy NOW, because doing so will be impossible later, given the trajectory they are taking.

What caused an unholy trinity of Republicans, Democrats and the President to trash the Constitution?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002155232#post15

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #36)

Thu Jan 12, 2012, 12:26 AM

38. yes..its not about fan club or democrat or republican..its about humanity and decency..no excuse to

look the other way

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Response to xiamiam (Reply #38)

Thu Jan 12, 2012, 12:45 AM

41. Exactly.

Thank you.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Thu Jan 12, 2012, 12:27 AM

39. Guantanamo 10th Anniv Symbol of Shame reminds me to wonder about

 

what or who changed President Obama's desire to end it.

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Obama promise to close Guantánamo prison unfulfilled
By Jeremy Herb - 01/11/12 08:32 PM ET

The 10th anniversary of the Guantánamo Bay prison was marked with protests Wednesday, as closing the controversial detention facility remains a promise unfulfilled for President Obama.

Obama campaigned on closing the facility in Cuba and, in one of his first actions as president, issued an executive order calling for it to be dismantled within one year. But as he enters the final year of his first term, human-rights groups are dismayed that the end of Guantánamo is nowhere in sight.

While he remains committed to closing Guantánamo, the president has been hampered from making progress due to opposition from both parties, and he signed a law last month that placed heavy restrictions on transferring any detainees out of the facility.

“I know President Obama reiterated his pledge to close Guantánamo, but it’s not clear why we should believe him,” said Baher Azmy, legal director of the Center for Constitutional Rights. “There is more he could have done to persuade Congress and fellow Americans that this is the right thing to do.”

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/203727-obama-promise-to-close-prison-at-guantanamo-still-unfulfilled


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Response to cyberpj (Reply #39)

Thu Jan 12, 2012, 12:49 AM

42. Thank you for adding that.

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