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intrepidity

(7,275 posts)
Mon Mar 22, 2021, 01:43 PM Mar 2021

WaPo Opinion: Did covid-19 escape from a Wuhan lab? The WHO report can't be the final word.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/03/22/did-covid-19-escape-wuhan-lab-who-report-cant-be-final-word/

Hopefully WaPo isn't yet considered a right-wing conspiracy rag.

Opinion by David Feith
March 22, 2021 at 7:23 a.m. PDT

David Feith, an adjunct senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security, is a former deputy assistant secretary of state for East Asian and Pacific affairs.

The World Health Organization’s final report on its investigation into covid-19’s origin is due any day now. But a major revelation has already emerged: This month, two members of the WHO investigative team acknowledged that lab workers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China were sick — from what, it is not yet clear — in fall 2019, before the public coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan.
That information confirms an assertion in a Jan. 15 statement by the State Department (where I worked at the time), and it represents the sort of fact pattern that investigators would expect if covid originated with an accidental lab leak, one of several possible but unproven theories.

So will the final WHO report focus on the Wuhan Institute of Virology? Don’t count on it. Because the same WHO investigators who — responding to media inquiries — confirmed the existence of the sick lab workers immediately played down the importance of the information.

(snip)

Perhaps the WHO final report will supply evidence to justify the investigators’ apparent lack of interest in pursuing the lab-leak theory. Does the WHO have the names of the lab researchers who fell ill? Were they interviewed? Has the WHO seen their medical records? Antibody test results? If so, will the information be included in the WHO report?

How could such an important investigation risk its credibility by including possibly conflicted investigators? Well, the WHO investigation isn’t just a WHO investigation. It is a joint effort between the WHO, which convened some 19 international investigators, and the Chinese government, which selected 17 Chinese researchers and also had veto power over the foreign experts. The investigators won’t be able to publish findings without official Chinese concurrence.

More at link above, perhaps behind paywall.
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WaPo Opinion: Did covid-19 escape from a Wuhan lab? The WHO report can't be the final word. (Original Post) intrepidity Mar 2021 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Ocelot II Mar 2021 #1
He was a Trump hire at State. struggle4progress Mar 2021 #8
Yup. QED. Ocelot II Mar 2021 #9
David Feith is Douglas Feith's son. David worked in the Trump State Department Klaralven Mar 2021 #17
I stand corrected. But David worked in the Trump admin Ocelot II Mar 2021 #20
More conspiracy theory idiocy. Jirel Mar 2021 #2
More uninformed knee-jerk opinions nt intrepidity Mar 2021 #7
Apparently you didn't see this the first time: lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #10
The source - David Feith - is known to have had problems with the truth, Ocelot II Mar 2021 #11
A fixture on FOX with not a pimple's worth of medical training or background hlthe2b Mar 2021 #3
Something's fishy here. lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #5
Indeed. hlthe2b Mar 2021 #6
Why are you spreading this false right-wing conspiracy theory today? lagomorph777 Mar 2021 #4
Hopefully DUers can still spot right wing conspiracy theories kcr Mar 2021 #12
I'm confident that time will tell nt intrepidity Mar 2021 #21
Still not looking good for you n/t kcr Mar 2021 #27
Lots of right-wing voices being pushed today. Huh. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2021 #13
I wouldn't trust David Feith any farther than I can throw a grand piano. Ocelot II Mar 2021 #14
Now was that lab on a UFO that Big Foot was flying? Botany Mar 2021 #15
Op-Eds are not products of the paper's editorial staff. That said, thanks for providing his name... Hekate Mar 2021 #16
Settling down to the actual subject for a second ... Hugh_Lebowski Mar 2021 #18
Thank you for understanding and articulating the issue intrepidity Mar 2021 #22
It's controversial in part because we're all hyper-vigilant to the plight of AAPI in this country Hugh_Lebowski Mar 2021 #25
Understood, and in complete agreement intrepidity Mar 2021 #26
It's controversial in the same way every other q conspiracy quack theory is kcr Mar 2021 #28
Let me know when this is in the news section and not the opinion page (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Mar 2021 #19
WaPo prints RW opinion columnists regularly. You're welcome to blm Mar 2021 #23
I think I've seen six times you've posted this conspiracy theory nonsense today PSPS Mar 2021 #24
Were the others hit-and-run, too? dpibel Mar 2021 #29
Proportion of likelihood of a theory should always be supplied in all communications. gulliver Mar 2021 #30

Response to intrepidity (Original post)

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
17. David Feith is Douglas Feith's son. David worked in the Trump State Department
Mon Mar 22, 2021, 02:24 PM
Mar 2021
His second son, David Feith, graduated from Columbia University and worked as an editorial writer for The Wall Street Journal and an assistant editor at Foreign Affairs before serving as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for East Asian and Pacific Affairs in the United States Department of State.

Ocelot II

(115,584 posts)
20. I stand corrected. But David worked in the Trump admin
Mon Mar 22, 2021, 02:32 PM
Mar 2021

and therefore is about as credible as his dad.

Jirel

(2,014 posts)
2. More conspiracy theory idiocy.
Mon Mar 22, 2021, 01:57 PM
Mar 2021

WHO investigated. There was no “lack of interest” in pursuing the origin. There is just LACK OF EVIDENCE of any link to the lab.

Stupid QAnon BS trying to whip up more Asian hatred.

Ocelot II

(115,584 posts)
11. The source - David Feith - is known to have had problems with the truth,
Mon Mar 22, 2021, 02:06 PM
Mar 2021

and therefore his report and his opinion are suspect.

hlthe2b

(102,119 posts)
3. A fixture on FOX with not a pimple's worth of medical training or background
Mon Mar 22, 2021, 01:58 PM
Mar 2021

Yes, WAPO will publish opinion pieces from RW pundits. This guy's educational "claim to fame?" A BA in History and postings to the State Dept. UNDER TRUMP, 2017-2020.

Not sure why you are determined to believe conspiracy theory rather than the world's prominent Virologists from CDC, WHO, the European CDC and elsewhere but you be you. If you are determined to believe the Trump and RW party line and all their various conspiracy theories, I can't help you.

DU should NOT be propagating this.

kcr

(15,314 posts)
12. Hopefully DUers can still spot right wing conspiracy theories
Mon Mar 22, 2021, 02:09 PM
Mar 2021

regardless of the source. Edit looking at the responses, it appears they can. Too bad for you.

Botany

(70,447 posts)
15. Now was that lab on a UFO that Big Foot was flying?
Mon Mar 22, 2021, 02:14 PM
Mar 2021

This "theory" has been dis proven by science a # of times.

Hekate

(90,552 posts)
16. Op-Eds are not products of the paper's editorial staff. That said, thanks for providing his name...
Mon Mar 22, 2021, 02:19 PM
Mar 2021

...so we can discern that.


 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
18. Settling down to the actual subject for a second ...
Mon Mar 22, 2021, 02:28 PM
Mar 2021

There's a big difference IMHO between 'a naturally occurring virus that was being studied in a lab and accidentally escaped' vs. 'a lab-CREATED virus'.

I'm very confident in the level of certainty expressed by experts when they say it's not lab-created, rather that it's naturally-occurring. Because this is the kind of thing you can determine by looking at the virus' genetics.

I'm slightly less confident with the level of certainty re: whether it might have been a natural virus where the outbreak started via an accidental exposure of virologists studying it.

BY NO MEANS am I saying that last thing is what happened. I'm just not sure that we're as certain that couldn't have happened. I suspect that could be harder to detect, esp. if the government does not want the world to know that it did. You cannot determine this ... just by looking at the virus.

And to very clear, absent evidence that this IS what happened, nobody should be assuming ... it did.

intrepidity

(7,275 posts)
22. Thank you for understanding and articulating the issue
Mon Mar 22, 2021, 02:45 PM
Mar 2021

I'm befuddled that this issue is controversial at all!.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
25. It's controversial in part because we're all hyper-vigilant to the plight of AAPI in this country
Mon Mar 22, 2021, 04:20 PM
Mar 2021

And none of us want to unintentionally 'make it worse', especially w/o actual proof.

Also ... any hint of something coming from a right-wing source/person is always looked at askance on DU. 99% of the time, we're right to look at it that way.

This is the kind of thing though, where humanity can't afford to 'get it wrong'.

Any virus lab-containment issues in any country, with any race of people involved ... is too serious of a subject. We need 100% on this one.

MHO.

intrepidity

(7,275 posts)
26. Understood, and in complete agreement
Mon Mar 22, 2021, 04:26 PM
Mar 2021

What is especially frustrating to me is the number of posters here who think this is cut-and-dried, settled beyond question--and that is so utterly, tragically far from the truth.

And it could barely be a more critical issue!

blm

(113,008 posts)
23. WaPo prints RW opinion columnists regularly. You're welcome to
Mon Mar 22, 2021, 02:47 PM
Mar 2021

share your analysis of this RightWing opinion piece.

gulliver

(13,168 posts)
30. Proportion of likelihood of a theory should always be supplied in all communications.
Mon Mar 22, 2021, 05:17 PM
Mar 2021

A question or statement by anyone should be considered less than worthless (when it comes to COVID) unless the question is motivated by data.

As an example, "Does the WHO have the names of the lab researches who fell ill?" That question is a statement that lab researches fell ill. It's called an enthymeme. Therefore, unless the person asking the question has the names of lab researches who fell ill, we should assume the person is wrong to ask the question, intentionally (for malignant reasons) or foolishly (due to incompetence and blindness to the damage the question causes).

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