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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMIT Technology Review: No one can find the animal that gave people covid-19
https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/03/26/1021263/bat-covid-coronavirus-cause-origin-wuhan/amp/A reasoned, dispassionate article without any hint of conspiracy-theory-mongering, well worth reading for those who are still seeking answers.
March 26, 2021
A wild-animal trader who caught a strange new virus from a frozen pangolin. A lab worker studying bat viruses who slipped up and sniffed the air under her biosafety hood. A man who suddenly fell ill after collecting bat guano from a cave to use for fertilizer.
Were any of these scenarios what touched off the covid-19 pandemic?
(snip)
A 300-page report from the group is expected soon. It is intended to summarize everything thats known about the early days of the outbreak and the Chinese effort to locate its source, and its likely to forward a favored hypothesis: that the virus, SARS-CoV-2, reached humans from bats via an intermediate host species, such as a wild animal sold as food in Wuhans markets.
Thats a reasonable theory: other bat coronaviruses have jumped to humans the same way. In fact, it was the origin of SARS, a similar coronavirus that panicked the world in 2003 when it spread out of southern China and sickened 8,000 people. With SARS, researchers tested caged market animals and quickly found a nearly identical virus in Himalayan palm civet cats and raccoon dogs, which are also eaten locally.
This time, though, the intermediate-host hypothesis has one big problem. More than a year after covid-19 began, no food animal has been identified as a reservoir for the pandemic virus. Thats despite efforts by China to test tens of thousands of animals, including pigs, goats, and geese, according to Liang Wannian, who leads the Chinese side of the research team. No one has found a direct progenitor of the virus, he says, and therefore the pandemic remains an unsolved mystery.
Much more at link above.
MustLoveBeagles
(11,587 posts)niyad
(113,213 posts)womanofthehills
(8,688 posts)Thanks!
Journeyman
(15,031 posts)Phoenix61
(16,999 posts)Never missing an opportunity to cast doubt on the best available explanation.
https://www.wbur.org/npr/977527808/who-points-to-wildlife-farms-in-southwest-china-as-likely-source-of-pandemic
intrepidity
(7,289 posts)Right?
Phoenix61
(16,999 posts)torius
(1,652 posts)And much evidence against
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017648348
intrepidity
(7,289 posts)Initech
(100,056 posts)torius
(1,652 posts)he literally wrote a book called The Global Health Conspiracy.
He's an author and "futuring" who ran for a very low-level politcal office and ran. He's now trying to sell books and get speaking gigs. He spends his time pushing this theory, along with Redfield. Metzl has numerous theories/guesses about a CRISPR baby. 'Nuff said.
It's easy to convince people of things they know nothing about, even if they write posts for MIT.
Spreading theories that have no factual evidence only endangers Asians and spreads hate.
We now need to look forward and solve the SARS-CoV-2 problem at hand.
intrepidity
(7,289 posts)How about discussing the issues raised in the piece? Do you dispute them? Which ones, and why?
torius
(1,652 posts)It says a report is about to come out so let it come out. The rest is a salad of information that has been out there for a long time, including the lab leak theory. As for the 96% DNA thing, that doesn't mean much. Please watch the other video I shared from another DU post that details the origin of the lab-leak conspiracy theory.
Please wait for the investigation as all you are doing is spreading hate and violence. I have no idea why anyone on DU would do this.
intrepidity
(7,289 posts)WTF is wrong with so many of you?? Bullies.
Let the facts speak! I always thought progressives believed in and stood for that. Quite a rude awakening here lately.
Scientists and educated people are afraid to speak out on this, because of the kinds of accusations well represented here on DU and in this thread. It is shameful.
Yes, the right has taken yet another issue and poisened it, and now we can't discuss it.
So fuckng sad. You have no idea.
Celerity
(43,261 posts)So much anti-science posturing and truly problematic assigning of some sort of covert, sinister agenda.
intrepidity
(7,289 posts)and I am really tired of their accusations and attacks.
I will *not* be bullied into silence.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)N/t
intrepidity
(7,289 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)So far what you post all takes aim at China.
Stop fueling anti-Asian sentiment.
intrepidity
(7,289 posts)smdh
What you are doing is conflating "blame" with cause/ origin. That is on YOU, not me
torius
(1,652 posts)Your theory that you keep posting posits that the lab leaked the virus.
Not everyone agrees the animals originated in China. Bats migrate. No one knows. It could be bats who live in China--that doesn't even mean they came from there. Who cares.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)intrepidity
(7,289 posts)If you believe I've advocated for any particular scenario, please show us all the proof, or stop accusing me! This is beyond riduculous, that posting articles showing very, very clearly that the scientific data is NOT YET CLEAR in terms of the virus origins, is met with claims of spreading hate and misinfo!!
I happen to be very interested in this question on a scientific level and demonstrably have been for over a year! It is astonishing to experience the gaslighting that I am here when I try to discuss it!
jcgoldie
(11,627 posts)intrepidity
(7,289 posts)Surely you don't believe that.
Or, like many, you just like playing dog pile?
Whatever.
jcgoldie
(11,627 posts)Just like you!
intrepidity
(7,289 posts)Posting articles that say we don't know the virus origin story fully is spewing right-wing bullshit?
jcgoldie
(11,627 posts)Many many people providing many many scientific links and you continuously ignore it and post more conspiracy bullshit.
intrepidity
(7,289 posts)and I am not in the least bit embarrassed, for myself, anyway.
The articles I've posted mostly *all* describe why the "scientific evidence" is not conclusive, but people who fail to understand the nuance in the literature don't understand. I frankly understand it much, much better than most here, which really compounds the frustration.
When you can talk to me intelligently about the furin cleavage site, Genbank sequence entries, missing databases, the Mojiang mine incident, etc, then we can have a real conversation--but that isn't what many here want.