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Sat Mar 27, 2021, 03:26 PM

MIT Technology Review: No one can find the animal that gave people covid-19

https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/03/26/1021263/bat-covid-coronavirus-cause-origin-wuhan/amp/

A reasoned, dispassionate article without any hint of conspiracy-theory-mongering, well worth reading for those who are still seeking answers.

by Antonio Regalado
March 26, 2021

A wild-animal trader who caught a strange new virus from a frozen pangolin. A lab worker studying bat viruses who slipped up and sniffed the air under her biosafety hood. A man who suddenly fell ill after collecting bat guano from a cave to use for fertilizer.

Were any of these scenarios what touched off the covid-19 pandemic?

(snip)

A 300-page report from the group is expected soon. It is intended to summarize everything that’s known about the early days of the outbreak and the Chinese effort to locate its source, and it’s likely to forward a favored hypothesis: that the virus, SARS-CoV-2, reached humans from bats via “an intermediate host species,” such as a wild animal sold as food in Wuhan’s markets.

That’s a reasonable theory: other bat coronaviruses have jumped to humans the same way. In fact, it was the origin of SARS, a similar coronavirus that panicked the world in 2003 when it spread out of southern China and sickened 8,000 people. With SARS, researchers tested caged market animals and quickly found a nearly identical virus in Himalayan palm civet cats and raccoon dogs, which are also eaten locally.

This time, though, the intermediate-host hypothesis has one big problem. More than a year after covid-19 began, no food animal has been identified as a reservoir for the pandemic virus. That’s despite efforts by China to test tens of thousands of animals, including pigs, goats, and geese, according to Liang Wannian, who leads the Chinese side of the research team. No one has found a “direct progenitor” of the virus, he says, and therefore the pandemic “remains an unsolved mystery.”

Much more at link above.

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Reply MIT Technology Review: No one can find the animal that gave people covid-19 (Original post)
intrepidity Mar 27 OP
MustLoveBeagles Mar 27 #1
niyad Mar 27 #2
womanofthehills Mar 27 #3
Journeyman Mar 27 #4
Phoenix61 Mar 27 #5
intrepidity Mar 27 #6
Phoenix61 Mar 27 #7
torius Mar 27 #9
intrepidity Mar 27 #17
Initech Mar 27 #8
torius Mar 27 #10
roamer65 Mar 27 #12
intrepidity Mar 27 #13
torius Mar 27 #19
intrepidity Mar 27 #25
Celerity Mar 27 #27
intrepidity Mar 27 #32
roamer65 Mar 27 #11
intrepidity Mar 27 #14
roamer65 Mar 27 #15
intrepidity Mar 27 #18
torius Mar 27 #21
roamer65 Mar 27 #23
roamer65 Mar 27 #24
intrepidity Mar 27 #26
torius Mar 27 #22
jcgoldie Mar 27 #16
intrepidity Mar 27 #20
jcgoldie Mar 27 #29
intrepidity Mar 27 #31
jcgoldie Mar 27 #33
intrepidity Mar 27 #34
struggle4progress Mar 27 #28
intrepidity Mar 27 #30
Klaralven Mar 27 #35

Response to intrepidity (Original post)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 03:34 PM

1. Bookmarked

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Response to intrepidity (Original post)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 03:41 PM

2. KNR and bookmarked.

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Response to intrepidity (Original post)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 03:47 PM

3. Great article

Thanks!

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Response to intrepidity (Original post)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 04:13 PM

4. Thanks. Good article, worth the time to read . . .

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Response to intrepidity (Original post)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 06:13 PM

5. I'll say this, you're persistent.

Never missing an opportunity to cast doubt on the best available explanation.
https://www.wbur.org/npr/977527808/who-points-to-wildlife-farms-in-southwest-china-as-likely-source-of-pandemic

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Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 06:21 PM

6. If that is the best available explanation, surely there's evidence

Right?

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Response to intrepidity (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 06:44 PM

7. Yes, there is. nt

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Response to intrepidity (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 07:35 PM

9. There's still no evidence of the lab leak

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Response to torius (Reply #9)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 08:34 PM

17. Show me one qualified person who claims to definitively know the origin nt

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Response to intrepidity (Original post)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 07:05 PM

8. I guess sometimes the best explanation is no explanation?

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Response to intrepidity (Original post)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 07:55 PM

10. Metzl, quoted in this article, is a conspiracy theorist

he literally wrote a book called The Global Health Conspiracy.
He's an author and "futuring" who ran for a very low-level politcal office and ran. He's now trying to sell books and get speaking gigs. He spends his time pushing this theory, along with Redfield. Metzl has numerous theories/guesses about a CRISPR baby. 'Nuff said.
It's easy to convince people of things they know nothing about, even if they write posts for MIT.
Spreading theories that have no factual evidence only endangers Asians and spreads hate.

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Response to torius (Reply #10)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 08:07 PM

12. +1000

We now need to look forward and solve the SARS-CoV-2 problem at hand.

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Response to torius (Reply #10)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 08:27 PM

13. And the rest of the article? Are ad hominem attacks all you've got?

How about discussing the issues raised in the piece? Do you dispute them? Which ones, and why?

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Response to intrepidity (Reply #13)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 08:37 PM

19. I am not a scientist

It says a report is about to come out so let it come out. The rest is a salad of information that has been out there for a long time, including the lab leak theory. As for the 96% DNA thing, that doesn't mean much. Please watch the other video I shared from another DU post that details the origin of the lab-leak conspiracy theory.

Please wait for the investigation as all you are doing is spreading hate and violence. I have no idea why anyone on DU would do this.

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Response to torius (Reply #19)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 08:47 PM

25. Sorry, but in my world, truth-seeking is NOT spreading hate and violence

WTF is wrong with so many of you?? Bullies.

Let the facts speak! I always thought progressives believed in and stood for that. Quite a rude awakening here lately.

Scientists and educated people are afraid to speak out on this, because of the kinds of accusations well represented here on DU and in this thread. It is shameful.

Yes, the right has taken yet another issue and poisened it, and now we can't discuss it.

So fuckng sad. You have no idea.

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Response to intrepidity (Reply #25)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 09:10 PM

27. I myself would take a softer tone, but I fully agree with this sentiment

So much anti-science posturing and truly problematic assigning of some sort of covert, sinister agenda.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #27)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 09:27 PM

32. I hear you, but I have been dealing with this clique of bullies here lately

and I am really tired of their accusations and attacks.

I will *not* be bullied into silence.

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Response to intrepidity (Original post)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 08:03 PM

11. Still trying to blame China?

N/t

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #11)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 08:28 PM

14. Bizarre conclusion. nt

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Response to intrepidity (Reply #14)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 08:29 PM

15. China...China...China.

So far what you post all takes aim at China.

Stop fueling anti-Asian sentiment.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #15)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 08:37 PM

18. Are you aware that literally everyone agrees the origin is in China?

smdh

What you are doing is conflating "blame" with cause/ origin. That is on YOU, not me

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Response to intrepidity (Reply #18)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 08:39 PM

21. Animals do not have ethnicity nor national origin

Your theory that you keep posting posits that the lab leaked the virus.
Not everyone agrees the animals originated in China. Bats migrate. No one knows. It could be bats who live in China--that doesn't even mean they came from there. Who cares.

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Response to torius (Reply #21)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 08:40 PM

23. +1000000

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Response to torius (Reply #21)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 08:42 PM

24. Well said!

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Response to torius (Reply #21)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 08:55 PM

26. The only thing I "keep posting" is that WE DO NOT YET KNOW

If you believe I've advocated for any particular scenario, please show us all the proof, or stop accusing me! This is beyond riduculous, that posting articles showing very, very clearly that the scientific data is NOT YET CLEAR in terms of the virus origins, is met with claims of spreading hate and misinfo!!

I happen to be very interested in this question on a scientific level and demonstrably have been for over a year! It is astonishing to experience the gaslighting that I am here when I try to discuss it!

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #15)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 08:40 PM

22. +1000

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Response to intrepidity (Original post)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 08:32 PM

16. Dr. Redfield is that you?

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #16)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 08:39 PM

20. Because... he's the only person to acknowledge that we don't know the answer yet?

Surely you don't believe that.

Or, like many, you just like playing dog pile?

Whatever.

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Response to intrepidity (Reply #20)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 09:16 PM

29. No because he's spewing right wing bullshit

Just like you!

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #29)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 09:25 PM

31. If you are going to accuse me, provide the evidence

Posting articles that say we don't know the virus origin story fully is spewing right-wing bullshit?

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Response to intrepidity (Reply #31)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 09:28 PM

33. They've been providing evidence for you for a week

Many many people providing many many scientific links and you continuously ignore it and post more conspiracy bullshit.

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #33)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 09:44 PM

34. Not an accurate representation

and I am not in the least bit embarrassed, for myself, anyway.

The articles I've posted mostly *all* describe why the "scientific evidence" is not conclusive, but people who fail to understand the nuance in the literature don't understand. I frankly understand it much, much better than most here, which really compounds the frustration.

When you can talk to me intelligently about the furin cleavage site, Genbank sequence entries, missing databases, the Mojiang mine incident, etc, then we can have a real conversation--but that isn't what many here want.

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Response to intrepidity (Original post)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 09:13 PM

28. I heard it jumped into the human population from a wild pig at Mar-a-Lago

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #28)

Sat Mar 27, 2021, 09:22 PM

30. Now THAT is a theory I can get behind!!

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