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intrepidity

(7,289 posts)
Sat Mar 27, 2021, 03:26 PM Mar 2021

MIT Technology Review: No one can find the animal that gave people covid-19

https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/03/26/1021263/bat-covid-coronavirus-cause-origin-wuhan/amp/

A reasoned, dispassionate article without any hint of conspiracy-theory-mongering, well worth reading for those who are still seeking answers.

by Antonio Regalado
March 26, 2021

A wild-animal trader who caught a strange new virus from a frozen pangolin. A lab worker studying bat viruses who slipped up and sniffed the air under her biosafety hood. A man who suddenly fell ill after collecting bat guano from a cave to use for fertilizer.

Were any of these scenarios what touched off the covid-19 pandemic?

(snip)

A 300-page report from the group is expected soon. It is intended to summarize everything that’s known about the early days of the outbreak and the Chinese effort to locate its source, and it’s likely to forward a favored hypothesis: that the virus, SARS-CoV-2, reached humans from bats via “an intermediate host species,” such as a wild animal sold as food in Wuhan’s markets.

That’s a reasonable theory: other bat coronaviruses have jumped to humans the same way. In fact, it was the origin of SARS, a similar coronavirus that panicked the world in 2003 when it spread out of southern China and sickened 8,000 people. With SARS, researchers tested caged market animals and quickly found a nearly identical virus in Himalayan palm civet cats and raccoon dogs, which are also eaten locally.

This time, though, the intermediate-host hypothesis has one big problem. More than a year after covid-19 began, no food animal has been identified as a reservoir for the pandemic virus. That’s despite efforts by China to test tens of thousands of animals, including pigs, goats, and geese, according to Liang Wannian, who leads the Chinese side of the research team. No one has found a “direct progenitor” of the virus, he says, and therefore the pandemic “remains an unsolved mystery.”

Much more at link above.
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MIT Technology Review: No one can find the animal that gave people covid-19 (Original Post) intrepidity Mar 2021 OP
Bookmarked MustLoveBeagles Mar 2021 #1
KNR and bookmarked. niyad Mar 2021 #2
Great article womanofthehills Mar 2021 #3
Thanks. Good article, worth the time to read . . . Journeyman Mar 2021 #4
I'll say this, you're persistent. Phoenix61 Mar 2021 #5
If that is the best available explanation, surely there's evidence intrepidity Mar 2021 #6
Yes, there is. nt Phoenix61 Mar 2021 #7
There's still no evidence of the lab leak torius Mar 2021 #9
Show me one qualified person who claims to definitively know the origin nt intrepidity Mar 2021 #17
I guess sometimes the best explanation is no explanation? Initech Mar 2021 #8
Metzl, quoted in this article, is a conspiracy theorist torius Mar 2021 #10
+1000 roamer65 Mar 2021 #12
And the rest of the article? Are ad hominem attacks all you've got? intrepidity Mar 2021 #13
I am not a scientist torius Mar 2021 #19
Sorry, but in my world, truth-seeking is NOT spreading hate and violence intrepidity Mar 2021 #25
I myself would take a softer tone, but I fully agree with this sentiment Celerity Mar 2021 #27
I hear you, but I have been dealing with this clique of bullies here lately intrepidity Mar 2021 #32
Still trying to blame China? roamer65 Mar 2021 #11
Bizarre conclusion. nt intrepidity Mar 2021 #14
China...China...China. roamer65 Mar 2021 #15
Are you aware that literally everyone agrees the origin is in China? intrepidity Mar 2021 #18
Animals do not have ethnicity nor national origin torius Mar 2021 #21
+1000000 roamer65 Mar 2021 #23
Well said! roamer65 Mar 2021 #24
The only thing I "keep posting" is that WE DO NOT YET KNOW intrepidity Mar 2021 #26
+1000 torius Mar 2021 #22
Dr. Redfield is that you? jcgoldie Mar 2021 #16
Because... he's the only person to acknowledge that we don't know the answer yet? intrepidity Mar 2021 #20
No because he's spewing right wing bullshit jcgoldie Mar 2021 #29
If you are going to accuse me, provide the evidence intrepidity Mar 2021 #31
They've been providing evidence for you for a week jcgoldie Mar 2021 #33
Not an accurate representation intrepidity Mar 2021 #34
I heard it jumped into the human population from a wild pig at Mar-a-Lago struggle4progress Mar 2021 #28
Now THAT is a theory I can get behind!! intrepidity Mar 2021 #30
Bat as food Klaralven Mar 2021 #35

torius

(1,652 posts)
10. Metzl, quoted in this article, is a conspiracy theorist
Sat Mar 27, 2021, 07:55 PM
Mar 2021

he literally wrote a book called The Global Health Conspiracy.
He's an author and "futuring" who ran for a very low-level politcal office and ran. He's now trying to sell books and get speaking gigs. He spends his time pushing this theory, along with Redfield. Metzl has numerous theories/guesses about a CRISPR baby. 'Nuff said.
It's easy to convince people of things they know nothing about, even if they write posts for MIT.
Spreading theories that have no factual evidence only endangers Asians and spreads hate.

intrepidity

(7,289 posts)
13. And the rest of the article? Are ad hominem attacks all you've got?
Sat Mar 27, 2021, 08:27 PM
Mar 2021

How about discussing the issues raised in the piece? Do you dispute them? Which ones, and why?

torius

(1,652 posts)
19. I am not a scientist
Sat Mar 27, 2021, 08:37 PM
Mar 2021

It says a report is about to come out so let it come out. The rest is a salad of information that has been out there for a long time, including the lab leak theory. As for the 96% DNA thing, that doesn't mean much. Please watch the other video I shared from another DU post that details the origin of the lab-leak conspiracy theory.

Please wait for the investigation as all you are doing is spreading hate and violence. I have no idea why anyone on DU would do this.

intrepidity

(7,289 posts)
25. Sorry, but in my world, truth-seeking is NOT spreading hate and violence
Sat Mar 27, 2021, 08:47 PM
Mar 2021

WTF is wrong with so many of you?? Bullies.

Let the facts speak! I always thought progressives believed in and stood for that. Quite a rude awakening here lately.

Scientists and educated people are afraid to speak out on this, because of the kinds of accusations well represented here on DU and in this thread. It is shameful.

Yes, the right has taken yet another issue and poisened it, and now we can't discuss it.

So fuckng sad. You have no idea.

Celerity

(43,261 posts)
27. I myself would take a softer tone, but I fully agree with this sentiment
Sat Mar 27, 2021, 09:10 PM
Mar 2021

So much anti-science posturing and truly problematic assigning of some sort of covert, sinister agenda.

intrepidity

(7,289 posts)
32. I hear you, but I have been dealing with this clique of bullies here lately
Sat Mar 27, 2021, 09:27 PM
Mar 2021

and I am really tired of their accusations and attacks.

I will *not* be bullied into silence.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
15. China...China...China.
Sat Mar 27, 2021, 08:29 PM
Mar 2021

So far what you post all takes aim at China.

Stop fueling anti-Asian sentiment.

intrepidity

(7,289 posts)
18. Are you aware that literally everyone agrees the origin is in China?
Sat Mar 27, 2021, 08:37 PM
Mar 2021

smdh

What you are doing is conflating "blame" with cause/ origin. That is on YOU, not me

torius

(1,652 posts)
21. Animals do not have ethnicity nor national origin
Sat Mar 27, 2021, 08:39 PM
Mar 2021

Your theory that you keep posting posits that the lab leaked the virus.
Not everyone agrees the animals originated in China. Bats migrate. No one knows. It could be bats who live in China--that doesn't even mean they came from there. Who cares.

intrepidity

(7,289 posts)
26. The only thing I "keep posting" is that WE DO NOT YET KNOW
Sat Mar 27, 2021, 08:55 PM
Mar 2021

If you believe I've advocated for any particular scenario, please show us all the proof, or stop accusing me! This is beyond riduculous, that posting articles showing very, very clearly that the scientific data is NOT YET CLEAR in terms of the virus origins, is met with claims of spreading hate and misinfo!!

I happen to be very interested in this question on a scientific level and demonstrably have been for over a year! It is astonishing to experience the gaslighting that I am here when I try to discuss it!

intrepidity

(7,289 posts)
20. Because... he's the only person to acknowledge that we don't know the answer yet?
Sat Mar 27, 2021, 08:39 PM
Mar 2021

Surely you don't believe that.

Or, like many, you just like playing dog pile?

Whatever.

intrepidity

(7,289 posts)
31. If you are going to accuse me, provide the evidence
Sat Mar 27, 2021, 09:25 PM
Mar 2021

Posting articles that say we don't know the virus origin story fully is spewing right-wing bullshit?

jcgoldie

(11,627 posts)
33. They've been providing evidence for you for a week
Sat Mar 27, 2021, 09:28 PM
Mar 2021

Many many people providing many many scientific links and you continuously ignore it and post more conspiracy bullshit.

intrepidity

(7,289 posts)
34. Not an accurate representation
Sat Mar 27, 2021, 09:44 PM
Mar 2021

and I am not in the least bit embarrassed, for myself, anyway.

The articles I've posted mostly *all* describe why the "scientific evidence" is not conclusive, but people who fail to understand the nuance in the literature don't understand. I frankly understand it much, much better than most here, which really compounds the frustration.

When you can talk to me intelligently about the furin cleavage site, Genbank sequence entries, missing databases, the Mojiang mine incident, etc, then we can have a real conversation--but that isn't what many here want.

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