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demmiblue

(36,838 posts)
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 01:14 PM Mar 2021

Darnella Frazier's last words on the stand were heartbreaking:








Edit: For those who aren't watching the trial, the defense tried to insinuate that her viral video changed her (as in, oooh, you received some internet fame). The prosecution asked how the event affected her life in redirect. This was her answer.
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Darnella Frazier's last words on the stand were heartbreaking: (Original Post) demmiblue Mar 2021 OP
K&R for visibility Blue Owl Mar 2021 #1
Off to the greatest page Hekate Mar 2021 #2
It was heartbreaking and incredibly powerful... Spazito Mar 2021 #3
It was a disgusting insinuation. demmiblue Mar 2021 #4
Absolutely agree... Spazito Mar 2021 #8
I hope you're right. I hope they damaged their case BIGTIME. calimary Mar 2021 #41
Vile people easily believe everyone is vile, soldierant Mar 2021 #34
Conservatives love their myths gratuitous Mar 2021 #5
And as is usual with conservatives, it's 100% projection. Grokenstein Mar 2021 #7
Empathy is definitely lacking in far too many conservatives of the trump variety, imo... Spazito Mar 2021 #10
I didn't hear the defense's question that way. Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #9
There is no question by letting it dangle and not asking her... Spazito Mar 2021 #11
+1 It was completely obvious. demmiblue Mar 2021 #16
Letting it dangle gained them nothng - Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #18
I didn't read the question, together with the lack of follow-up, as neutral in it's intent... Spazito Mar 2021 #19
It may have been deliberate, but if so it was stupid Ms. Toad Mar 2021 #26
I agree, a competent attorney would not have gone there... Spazito Mar 2021 #27
It was, no doubt, meant as you say. Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2021 #38
The defense lawyer asking that question... appmanga Mar 2021 #40
Between this and the defense's equally stupid handling of the MMA fighter's testimony.... RussellCattle Mar 2021 #6
Oops - shouldn't have asked that lame54 Mar 2021 #12
Yeah, that defense attorney dropped the ball big time on that one. joshcryer Mar 2021 #15
I swear that these right wingers live in Bizarro world. world wide wally Mar 2021 #13
So heartbreaking, so sincere mcar Mar 2021 #14
Video/Audio: demmiblue Mar 2021 #17
interesting what happened right after this quote ... sarchasm Mar 2021 #22
Just heart wrenching. This young woman will suffer trauma from witnessing the murder of iluvtennis Mar 2021 #20
One of the first rules of trial law: don't ask a question to which you don't know the answer. BobTheSubgenius Mar 2021 #21
what did she mean "it's what he should have done."? LymphocyteLover Mar 2021 #23
Meaning Chauvin should have taken his knee off of Floyd's neck. n/t demmiblue Mar 2021 #24
that's all I could figure but in the short excerpt the context was missing LymphocyteLover Mar 2021 #35
I'm speculating that she meant Spazito Mar 2021 #25
That's how I heard it wryter2000 Mar 2021 #30
The testimony today has been both heartbreaking and powerful... Spazito Mar 2021 #31
Right, that makes sense LymphocyteLover Mar 2021 #36
President Obama expressed similar sentiments in the past as has Mayor DiBlasio. George II Mar 2021 #28
So glad she said that wryter2000 Mar 2021 #29
She had the presence of mind to send her cousin into the store before... demmiblue Mar 2021 #32
Reminds me of what Obama said about Trayvon Martin nuxvomica Mar 2021 #33
If anyone out there still thinks Aussie105 Mar 2021 #37
What killed George Floyd AverageOldGuy Mar 2021 #39
It's taught in police training???????!?!?!?! calimary Mar 2021 #42

Spazito

(50,260 posts)
3. It was heartbreaking and incredibly powerful...
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 01:30 PM
Mar 2021

the defense made an egregious error in inferring she had gained by her video going viral while the truth is she was and is traumatized by what she witnessed and nothing will change that.

demmiblue

(36,838 posts)
4. It was a disgusting insinuation.
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 01:37 PM
Mar 2021

I hope she, and her wee cousin, are getting some mental health assistance.

Spazito

(50,260 posts)
8. Absolutely agree...
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 01:51 PM
Mar 2021

Everyone, especially the young people, who witnessed this horror should be offered mental health support and therapy, imo.

The defense, in opening that door, did huge damage to their case and to their client and gave the young witness even more credibility than they might have had otherwise.

calimary

(81,194 posts)
41. I hope you're right. I hope they damaged their case BIGTIME.
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 12:17 PM
Mar 2021

Impeaching the witness - for the “crime” of exposing their precious client.

soldierant

(6,846 posts)
34. Vile people easily believe everyone is vile,
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 07:40 PM
Mar 2021

and I don't mean the lawyer, I mean the jurors, for whom the attorney was making the suggestion.

Kudos tp the prosecution fo the redirect.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
5. Conservatives love their myths
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 01:39 PM
Mar 2021

One of the persistent myths among conservatives is that when a Black person is abused or killed by law enforcement, the family celebrates that they won the ghetto lottery (and other, even less savory epithets) because now they'll get a settlement from the city that will put them on easy street. Or something. When the fact of the matter is that the family is shocked, grieving, angry, and all the other emotions that conservatives don't associate with the targets of their bigotry. Yeah, compensation for misconduct is all well and good, but the survivors would gladly have continued their lives as before and still have their brother, cousin, friend, daughter, or grandfather with them to have and to hold and to celebrate. You know, without the trauma of their violent deaths at the hands of the authorities who were supposed to serve and protect them.

Grokenstein

(5,721 posts)
7. And as is usual with conservatives, it's 100% projection.
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 01:47 PM
Mar 2021

Conservatives have repeatedly demonstrated--and never more so than in the past few years--that they'll gladly sacrifice their own "loved" ones for just the fleeting illusion of "pwning teh libs" (cf., Matt Gaetz pushing his "son"/stage prop to go enjoy some Spring Break superspreading in Flaw'duh).

Spazito

(50,260 posts)
10. Empathy is definitely lacking in far too many conservatives of the trump variety, imo...
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 02:03 PM
Mar 2021

They care only for themselves and when racist beliefs are added to that lack of empathy, well, we get tragedies like the murder of George Floyd and the cynicism of the black community that he and his family will ever get justice.

Ms. Toad

(34,059 posts)
9. I didn't hear the defense's question that way.
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 01:52 PM
Mar 2021

I heard them ask about whether their life had changed since the video went viral. (That question did not elicit any description of the change.)

But whichever question was asked, it was a blunder - and a perfect setup for the prosecution to come back and ask the broader question.

Here's one news report of the quesiton:

Nelson asked if Darnella's video going viral had changed her life.

"It has," she said.

He then ended his questioning.


https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/george-floyd/derek-chauvin-trial-tuesday-witness-tesimony-george-floyd-minneapolis/89-ce470380-7c59-46ff-8308-464dcf77bcaa

Spazito

(50,260 posts)
11. There is no question by letting it dangle and not asking her...
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 02:05 PM
Mar 2021

how it changed her life the inference that it was somehow beneficial was very clear, imo. Big mistake to even go there at all.

Ms. Toad

(34,059 posts)
18. Letting it dangle gained them nothng -
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 02:24 PM
Mar 2021

If asked to suggest the viral video gained her something the question, it was inartfully asked because it was a neutral question, and would require a followup to get there.

As asked, wthout a follow-up, it had no possiblity of helping the defense. (And created an opening even a 1L student could drive a truck through.)

Spazito

(50,260 posts)
19. I didn't read the question, together with the lack of follow-up, as neutral in it's intent...
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 02:31 PM
Mar 2021

the lack of follow-up was deliberate and, I agree, the door that opened was big enough for a semi at the very least.

Ms. Toad

(34,059 posts)
26. It may have been deliberate, but if so it was stupid
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 03:06 PM
Mar 2021

because change is neutral - it can be good or bad.

A skilled attorney needs to nudge "change" toward how they want the jury to hear it in order to be effective (especially when the person being questioned answers neutrally ("It has&quot . You (and people on DU generally) are inclined to hear it as trying to plant a suggestion that she gained from it. There may be jurors with a different political perspective who aren't inclined to hear it that way - so when directed at a jury that (theoretically) represents a cross section of the communty - a competent attorney would ether not go there at all - or go one step farther in nudging the jury to hear what you heard.

appmanga

(571 posts)
40. The defense lawyer asking that question...
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 09:54 AM
Mar 2021

...is what they tell you about in LAWYERING 101: "Don't ask a question if you don't know the answer".

Not only was the question snotty and without value, he opened the door to one of the most devastating witness statements I've ever heard, which is the subject of this post, along with her final words that aren't in this post:

“It's been nights I stayed up apologizing and apologizing to George Floyd for not doing more and not physically interacting and not saving his life. It’s like, it’s not what I should have done. It’s what he (Chauvin) should have done.”

RussellCattle

(1,535 posts)
6. Between this and the defense's equally stupid handling of the MMA fighter's testimony....
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 01:42 PM
Mar 2021

.....today, we have a very rare instance of a "stepping on your own dick" twice, a "twofer".

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
15. Yeah, that defense attorney dropped the ball big time on that one.
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 02:10 PM
Mar 2021

I don't think the judge would have allowed the prosecution to ask that question. But once it was asked, he was more than allowed to redirect.

world wide wally

(21,740 posts)
13. I swear that these right wingers live in Bizarro world.
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 02:06 PM
Mar 2021

I believe they think that the more they attack a young, innocent girl, the stronger their case will be with other right winger magats.
And worst of all... they are probably right.

sarchasm

(1,012 posts)
22. interesting what happened right after this quote ...
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 02:57 PM
Mar 2021

When she said, "...wondering not what I should have done, but what HE should have done. He shoulda..." (seemingly cut off by the prosecutor, then judge)

Who is HE? Did she gesture toward the defendant?

Powerful heartfelt, emotional testimony from an incredibly strong, brave young lady.

CSPAN video at 3:05:40

iluvtennis

(19,844 posts)
20. Just heart wrenching. This young woman will suffer trauma from witnessing the murder of
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 02:32 PM
Mar 2021

George Floyd for the rest of her life.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,562 posts)
21. One of the first rules of trial law: don't ask a question to which you don't know the answer.
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 02:38 PM
Mar 2021

"Don't even insinuate a question to which you don't already know the answer."

I'll bet the defense was hoping for something more helpful.

LymphocyteLover

(5,641 posts)
23. what did she mean "it's what he should have done."?
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 02:57 PM
Mar 2021

Sorry I don't understand that. Is she referring to Floyd?

Spazito

(50,260 posts)
31. The testimony today has been both heartbreaking and powerful...
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 05:04 PM
Mar 2021

I didn't know an EMT had called to report the behavior of Chauvin and the other officers until today. I think that carries so much credibility especially given her training.

I can't help but think about his loved ones having to relive this over and over again, my heart breaks for them and the witnesses we are seeing.

demmiblue

(36,838 posts)
32. She had the presence of mind to send her cousin into the store before...
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 05:11 PM
Mar 2021

she came back out to chronicle the event. It was a matter of time before her cousin came back out.

There are going to be a lot of emotional scars.

nuxvomica

(12,419 posts)
33. Reminds me of what Obama said about Trayvon Martin
Tue Mar 30, 2021, 05:19 PM
Mar 2021

“If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon. When I think about this boy, I think about my own kids.”

Aussie105

(5,377 posts)
37. If anyone out there still thinks
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 06:43 AM
Mar 2021

police are their friends, and can be relied on in a time of need to help, they need to watch this trial.

If anyone wonders why people are afraid of the police, or run away from them, or shoot first, they need to watch this trial.

If anyone thinks the police force isn't filled with violent, racist people who feel empowered to act out their inner demons, they need to watch this trial.

If anyone thinks the police upper hierarchy care at all, or want to clean up the force, they need to watch this trial.

AverageOldGuy

(1,523 posts)
39. What killed George Floyd
Wed Mar 31, 2021, 09:20 AM
Mar 2021

The defense is likely to make the argument that coroners' reports did not find evidence that Floyd was strangled.

Irrelevant and misleading and wrong.

Most of us equate strangulation with the act of putting both hands around someone's throat and squeezing, with thumbs pressed against the Adam's apple. This act results in the fracture of the tiny cricoid bone in the throat. Pathologists look for that fracture to determine if a person has been strangled. Floyd's cricoid bone was intact, therefore, he was not strangled.

Bullshit.

This is irrelevant to the Floyd murder.

Blood is supplied to the brain through two arteries -- the carotid arteries that run up the right and left sides of the neck. Because these arteries flow almost directly from the heart and carry a lot of blood, they create an easily-found pulse on both sides of your neck.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/fitness/multimedia/checking-pulse-over-the-carotid-artery/img-20006075#:~:text=To%20check%20your%20pulse%20over,your%20heart%20rate%20per%20minute.


The choke hold that the cop used on Floyd is NOT a "choke hold" -- it is a hold that is intended to put pressure on the carotids, thereby shutting off blood supply to the brain. The brain will live only a few minutes without blood and that is what killed George Floyd.

This type of hold is safe for cops to use because IT CANNOT BE DISCOVERED IN AN AUTOPSY. And that's why it is taught in police training and that's why it should be outlawed. It's murder.


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