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those of you who think this is the time to "hold obama's feet" to the fire better think twice.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)yes it is.
BrainMann1
(460 posts)It is a white house. I feel sorry for him.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)I'm a little confused.
Thanks in Advance!
HankyDub
(246 posts)just to remind you about how morally bankrupt they are.
efhmc
(14,725 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,647 posts)False flag (also known as black flag) operations are covert operations designed to deceive in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by other entities. The name is derived from the military concept of flying false colors; that is: flying the flag of a country other than ones own. False flag operations are not limited to war and counter-insurgency operations and can be used during peace-time.
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag
In starting WWII, Germany used one to justify its invasion of Poland.
The Gleiwitz incident in 1939 involved Reinhard Heydrich fabricating evidence of a Polish attack against Germany to mobilize German public opinion for war, to establish casus belli, and to justify the war with Poland. This, along with other false flag operations in Operation Himmler, would be used to mobilize support from the German population for the start of World War II in Europe.[citation needed]
SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)who can photoshop an even better message over that picture?
GreenPartyVoter
(72,377 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)accentuate the differences between the moderate left and the left
this is the time to come together and defeat the real enemy!
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)I agree. I hear what you are saying and I totally agree.
Sometimes I do tire of the equivalency game.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)you reckon this guy gives a crap about means testing and retirement age?
no he and his ilk want the n***** out of there.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Last edited Sat Oct 13, 2012, 02:16 AM - Edit history (1)
Anyone who knows the GOP, knows they intend to have one-party rule. I remember when the GOP was worried about Kerry beating Bush in 2004. Their first suggestion, put out as a feeler by their minions in media, was to cancel the presidential elections. They claimed there might be a terrorist attack at the polling places. Does no one remember this?
With their blatant disenfranchisement in every state they've taken majority or gained control of elections, what have they done? Deny millions the right to vote. If we lose this year, will we still have elections? Does anyone think a one-party system pays any attention to the elections?
Look at Texas, virtually one party now, and they roll over everything. And they don't even follow the voting rules in the legislature, it's that corrupt now. Texas was not any worse than any other state. It was an experiment, using media, courts, abusing federal and state rules and the power of DHS, and see what's been done.
They want and intend to have a theocratic state, old testament laws enforced across the land. Their intentions are clear, to let their corporate masters, both foreign and the domestic ones, if any of them can truly be called American at all, sell every inch of this nation off. We will have no rights because we will have little to stand on.
We diss the Democrats at our peril, they have been weakened by big players, bigger and more ruthless, and a media that colludes with every single GOP action. Yet some find them not good enough, but they are all that we have left. It's so easy to admire the 'winning side,' the rich and powerful, who control the media and tell us it's no use to fight back.
Make it or break it, this year. That's what this is.
JMHO. EOM.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)our local county henchmen put "photo id equired" signs outside our polling places even though the courts had put the law on hold at he time.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)efhmc
(14,725 posts)When did this happen? Please let me know that this was reported. What county are you in?
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)and I don't know why I didn't report it. if anyone else did nothing happened.
i should have, though i am not sure what our rick perry appointed secretary of state would have done.
efhmc
(14,725 posts)cell phone and loudly saying you are calling should help. Take a picture. Keep this number handy.
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)siligut
(12,272 posts)And people are actually falling for this. I read their self-destructive crap on news sites. It is the borg, without the cool headgear and body armor.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)airplaneman
(1,239 posts)I see the sure fire we are in deep shit items being:
-elimination of minimum age.
-medicare voucher system.
-eliminating social security taxes for employer.
-selling off public assets and land.
-reducing or privatizing social security.
and yes this election is break it or save it.
as usual JMHO.
-Airplane
chervilant
(8,267 posts)will be the inevitable and drastic decline in food crops, and the worsening of the global climate disaster. With the world economy threatening to collapse by 2015, anarchy seems the likely outcome for the foreseeable future.
airplaneman
(1,239 posts)I am 58 and I hope I live out the rest of my life somewhat well. I really am hoping that there will be some humanity as things fall apart and I will do what I can for my friends and neighbors. We are without question in my mind in an overshoot condition. I will most certainly see the beginning of the decline of the human species. Most scary is the fact that the north pole may be permanently gone in a couple of years and the subsequent additional warming will finally convince most we are in a true planetary emergency. But we are already past the point of no return I think. Ultimately no one can really predict the complete future. Enjoy life while you can and treat those around you with kindness, charity, and compassion.
-Airplane
chervilant
(8,267 posts)and a Vegan. I now live in an area where I can buy a few acres and put in a bio-intensive garden. I hope to find some remote land, with a year-round spring.
I've done advocacy for survivors of relationship violence for over thirty years. I am now focusing my advocacy on our children.
Climate scientists have identified positive feedback loops in virtually all important indices of global climate change. We are too late to effect significant recovery. When Gaea rolls over to scrape us off Her backside, we'll just have to go along for the ride.
Saviolo
(3,280 posts)It reminds me of 1984 in a big way.
Now, I know people throw "Orwellian" around a lot, and half of them have absolutely no idea what it means. And what they're usually missing is the bit of speech from O'Brien near the end of the novel. Big Brother and The Party don't want power as a means to an end, they want power as the end.
The GOP has completely trained their followers that power is the end, not the means. It's far more important that their guy is in the White House instead of the other guy, even if they -hate- their guy.
My in-laws live in Houston (I'm Canadian). I was in Houston just before W got elected for the second time. I had the opportunity to ask a bunch of people why they'd be voting for W. Most of them -hated- W, but their answer was always the same: It's better than the alternative. They didn't mean Kerry, of course, they just meant "the other guy." It could have been a cross between Jesus and Einstein, but if he had a D after his name, better to have our guy in there.
This is the defining quotation from 1984:
The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?
It has nothing to do with constant surveillance or freedom of speech or starting false wars. Those are all just symptoms. Those are just the ACTIONS that are taken in order to reach the GOAL, which is power.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Last edited Sat Oct 13, 2012, 08:02 PM - Edit history (1)
1984 = 2004 was a bumper sticker where I live now. In the progressive era that I grew up in, 1984 was a warning. To the GOP and FOX, it's their handbook. In the 1990s, as the current crop of cable propagandists were hired, there was not one technique left unused from that book.But the roots are deeper, all the way back the Business Coup that failed, which might not fail now, and the strategy applied by the Koch family. Left and right agitation with conspiracy theories woven in. I don't buy the CT world view, even though there are glimpses of truth. I listened to their support of the Libertarian Party and the John Birch Society and knew the source, that showed the journey it was taking us on.
This is the bulk of the patriot, the Ron Pauls and Tea Party. The Koch family have had a long-term plan. I remember the actions of the Birchers before JFK was killed and their intense hatred of liberals. RFK, Jr. also noted their influence.
Now they, through their friends like Mitt and Bain, own the media, have decimated the flow of ideas under the name of freedom, having frustrated the purpose of the New Deal's FCC, to stop from having only one view expressed, the narrowing of communications from falling into the hands a few demagogues. The danger is more apparent daily.
It is almost impossible for people to say other than what they hear daily in every media venue. Some embrace the message fully, others who do not, but know better than to speak against it, as Voltaire said, 'It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong.'
That sentence has been misquoted to change if from the word men to government, no doubt by Libertarians. Our form of RW Libertarianism was trounced by Monbiot:
How Freedom Became Tyranny
by George Monbiot
Rightwing libertarians have turned freedom into an excuse for greed and exploitation.
Freedom: who could object? Yet this word is now used to justify a thousand forms of exploitation. Throughout the rightwing press and blogosphere, among thinktanks and governments, the word excuses every assault on the lives of the poor, every form of inequality and intrusion to which the 1% subject us. How did libertarianism, once a noble impulse, become synonymous with injustice?
In the name of freedom freedom from regulation the banks were permitted to wreck the economy. In the name of freedom, taxes for the super-rich are cut. In the name of freedom, companies lobby to drop the minimum wage and raise working hours. In the same cause, US insurers lobby Congress to thwart effective public healthcare; the government rips up our planning laws(1); big business trashes the biosphere. This is the freedom of the powerful to exploit the weak, the rich to exploit the poor...
http://www.monbiot.com/2011/12/19/how-freedom-became-tyranny/
Democrats still support of the poor, do not exalt the rich 'producers,' so they are called 'statists' and 'sheeple' who haven't gloomed onto to the BIG BAD conspiracy and aren't willing to accept the need for the Supermen and Individualists that will be necessary in bad times.
We've had these SOBs running things on and off throughout history. I believe we going into an age of technocratic rule, a combination of Huxley's Brave New World (which was also part of the public school curriculum when I was growing up) and Orwell's 1984..
Various groups, the baggers, resist 'progressive' ideas in fear of this coming to pass by our wide acceptance of many things they think are more natural and to their mind, closer to the 'world as God intended it to be' or something to that effect. In the interest of disclosure, I am not a believer, I am a shameless treehugger. But it appears we are going there whether we like it or not and will have to shift for it. We can, however, or we hope, that we can make a more humane and sustainable future for coming generations.
Back to Orwell and the use of media and how it affects power. We have a media not controlled by the evil state, but by corporations. These same corporations advocate supporting oligarchs. There is a thread that pulls what the Koch family has done together here, well worth reading the transcript if one doesn't have time for the video:
Thom Hartmann: Conservative Millennials, Boomers & Libertarians all being Conned
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101744227
I do not accept the premise that in supporting Obama or the Democratic Party one is playing the game for power itself; as we have little power. We have not made a manifesto of selfishness and painted it with words that have been twisted to justify cruelty and hatred. We are in dangerous times and have a choice to make. Obama has tried to make the case for the kind of America many of us grew up in and the hope for equality reflected the idealism of Martin Luther King, Jr. and Howard Zinn, no matter how imperfectly.
It is not a game. Millions of dead show that to be true. And I'm just venting there, I do tend to whip these dead horses on occasion. Thanks for your thoughtful reply.
Saviolo
(3,280 posts)Thanks. I think that, even here, there's a lot of people who react without thought a lot of the time. But this is a serious, serious issue.
I agree with you that in supporting Obama or the Democratic Party that you are supporting someone seeking power for power's sake. Really, when you look at it, the liberals and progressives are the ones that use power as a means to an end, and that end is, generally speaking, more equality and more freedom.
With a government in power that strictly wants power, it's dangerous. But what we're starting to see now, with corporations in power, is even worse. There is no head to the system. There's nothing leading the machine, it's just a headless blunder. It is clumsy and destructive. Each corporation will be in it for their own interests, and they will do whatever they need individually to help their bottom line and boost their profits. They will do this with no regard to the fact that everyone else will be doing the same or the effect that it will have.
I don't even know where we can go from here. People have been told for so long that talk like this is just paranoid conspiracy theory and they'll compare it to Robert Anton Wilson's Illuminatus! trilogy. I'm not convinced we have nothing to learn from that crazy book, either.
Fundamentals have to change. The whole corporations-as-people thing has to change. The my-party-right-or-wrong idea has to change. The government-should-be-run-like-a-government idea has to change. We have to support those that will drag us forward, who will make intelligent, informed decisions.
Mitt Romney is the perfect poster child for what the GOP has become. It's not a political party, it's a corporation. They talk again and again about how the government should be run like a business. That has been -drilled- into us for years and years, now. But it's not even remotely true. The government needs to be run for the benefit of all of those at the bottom, not those at the top, as in shareholders or a board of directors for a corporation.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)What is it with some middle class and poor white Southerners that they hate black people so much?
Do they honestly believe slavery was a good economic system? Do they think having black people suffer somehow makes them better? I just don't understand racism and guess I never will.
But yes Mittens has captured the heart of the racist voter, especially that comparison to his boys comment. All them white racists really just loved that comment from Mittens. I heard them laughing about it when I went to get my car repaired.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)There's the double standard; Obama has to do twice as much before the "progressives" regard him as half as good as say, Clinton, or Carter, or any other Democrat, ever.
When Obama fails at something, it's gdoom, it's disaster, it's all "that boy's" fault, according to the "progressives." when something goes right, well, that's because of anyone-but-Obama, of course! he's earned all the blame and none of the credit.
Basically, the "progressives" who are so keen on "holding his feet to the fire" do so to a degree and with venom unseen in any previous presidency.Almost to the point where these "progressives" more resemble the Democrats circa 1872 than the democrats of 2012.
(I'm using quotation marks simply because I do not believe these people are progressives, nor do I feel they represent people who actually ARe progressives. Spare me the sniveling)
harmonicon
(12,008 posts)I'm definitely in agreement that the word "progressive" is meaningless bullshit in contemporary political discourse - or, rather, it makes me think that someone who uses it is bullshitting.
However, do you not think that there are legitimate criticisms to be made toward Obama from the left? (of course there are criticism from the right, even within his party, but I don't know if I'd ever call them legitimate) I'm afraid that this sort of thing can just lead to a de-facto position of always just going for the lesser of two evils. I'd rather go for something I passionately agree with.
Obama's done some great things, and I think he'll do great things in a second term as well, but that doesn't mean I don't think he's also done terrible things and will likely continue to do things I think are terrible. Should I not voice my opinion because I like some of his actions and policy decisions while disliking others? He's in office to represent me, after all.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I can't say whether the people doing so are themselves racists, but the mere fact he has to do twice the work to get half the credit is a simple outgrowth of how black people in America are treated. So too the fact that he gets all the blame for failure, and only partial credit (if that) for success.
As for legitimate criticisms? I love that it's never specified what they are. It's some hazy cloud of "I'm justified in being a negative ass, because i'm justified" Okay, he's a centrist? So was Clinton. So was Carter. So was Johnson, so are most presidents in the nation's history, it comes with the job. Drone strikes? No different than what Clinton was doing in the firmer Yugoslav states and Sudan, except for where the pilot is sitting. There are few, if any legitimate criticisms that stem from President Obama, rather than from the office of the presidency itself. That is, there's plenty of policy to criticize, but it's fucking dumb to pretend it's all Obama's fault.
Now on hte other hand, the Affordable Care Act? End of DADT, and subsequent endorsement of equal rights to gay people? Ending the war in Iraq, setting a deadline for Afghanistan? The most equitable treatment of our native peoples since the founding of the republic (still not great, sure, but still, big improvement)? Pulling the US back from its status as a rogue state? Wrangling the recession into docility and saving the auto industry? No fucking credit at all. It's either flash-in-the-pan and vanishes in two days, or the credit is given to someone else.
if you think the first black man to hold office as president of the United States is getting fair and even treatment, even from his "supporters," I'm sorry, you're deluded.
harmonicon
(12,008 posts)Are you suggesting that criticism against Obama for illegal drone strikes is inherently racist while criticism against Clinton for his bullshit bombing of Yugoslavia is somehow magically different?
Yes, I do think that there are people who will use ANY criticism of Obama as a proxy for a racist attack, but I don't somehow think that every criticism is such a proxy.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I'm saying that the stunningly different treatment the two men get, despite having nearly-identical policy stances (hell, despite Clinton being more to the right than Obama) is probably not based off "concerned citizens" who are "legitimately criticizing policy." If you've got a problem with the policy, then you should be as hardassed on Clinton. But... nobody ever is.
Again, if you think the first black man to hold the office is going to get a fair shake, even from his own "side," you're a little deluded.
harmonicon
(12,008 posts)I disagree that Clinton was to the right of Obama. What bothers me so much about the discourse in general, is that it's forgotten that Clinton's big selling point (not to me - I was really too young to understand or care, but I went with my dad to see him speak) was that he was this sort of centrist - to the right of the Democratic establishment. That didn't matter to the Republicans though. To them, he was still the devil and was treated as such. They labeled him and anything he did as extreme leftist, even if it had previously been their position. What that did was shift the entire party to the right, where now what would have been to the right of the Democratic Party 20 years ago is somewhere left of its center.
My point? It doesn't matter how centrist a Democrat tries to govern. They will face insane opposition. If that's going to be the case anyway, if we're going to be criticised as "socialists," I'd at least like to get some fucking socialism for it, and I don't mind saying it. I sure don't want to just sit back and not state my opinion because shit could be worse.
So, was Clinton to the right of Obama? I don't know. I'd generally say he wasn't, but how far out to we have to get in time before such comparisons become irrelevant?
kooljerk666
(776 posts)Actually I think Clinton dropped out by then also.
As far as Bill Clinton goes, Nafta, Glass-steagal & welfare reform are serious issues & I will never support any Clinton again, unless it is Clinton vs any GOPer.
Obama and all DEMs are getting my vote, I was in green party, socialist workers & CPUSA but got tired of having no one to vote for in the primaries.
I have plenty of issues with Obama, but am trying to not complain about anything till RMoney is vanquished to the 5th dimension.
Gawd, i forgot the main point of my post, I am very sure that Obama was doing his best to NOT be an angry "N&^^#R" the Rove_CO would have had a field day if he got as "upitty" as Biden did.
treestar
(82,383 posts)We've been seeing it for the past 3 and 3/4 years.
Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Classy.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Typical.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Or any similarly racist remark.
Otherwise an apology is the right thing to do.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)The idea that the president has to work twice as hard to get half the credit. The idea that whenever anything doesn't go as desired, he's the one who is totally to blame, no one else. "That boy" is not a direct quote, it is a distillation of the attitude I see coming from "progressives" on DU.
I don't apologize to racist fucks. So, all those poor sad-eyed "concerned progressives" will just have to sit it out.
As for you... You seem to have this weird Pavlovian response where the three syllables "o ba ma" make you turn into a dithering doofus. You should look into that. Once you've calmed down a bit, might I suggest you learn about how literacy is not simply about being able to repeat words, it's about understanding what a bunch of them strung together mean, their context, the author's intent... In other words, the ability to "read between the lines" is a big part of understanding writing.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Last edited Sun Oct 14, 2012, 11:06 PM - Edit history (1)
1. You have the *impression* that President Obama has to work twice as hard as other presidents to get half the credit from "progressives".
2. You are certain that this is because of "progressives" who are actually "racist fucks".
Lovely, if that what this comes down to.
Any possibility that the upset comes from a continuing increase in homelessness and hunger while the bankers get unlimited bailouts, the embrace of job-obliterating "free" trade bills, Simpson Bowles, and the rest? Any chance at all?
As understanding writing... I'm a fairly successful professional writer, so I suspect that I've an inkling as to how this language stuff works.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)He's a White Supremacist. His skinhead shave gives him away, not to mention the sentiments on his T-Shirt. Boy if Romney is attracting that crowd, who are generally anti-government no matter whose in charge, then he's really a bad choice for President.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)need a big rejection from their fellow citizens the first tuesday in november.
Stinky The Clown
(67,790 posts)Really?
phasma ex machina
(2,328 posts)harmonicon
(12,008 posts)Well before that, skinheads (where and when the term started, and the majority of what it still is today) were a multi-racial subculture.
I'm sure you watched Geraldo in the 80's or something, but do some homework before you go making such broad generalizations.
It's sort of like using the Manson Family to say, "back in the day, the hippies - people with long hair, regardless of gender - just love to do a lot of murderin'."
phasma ex machina
(2,328 posts)never been the symbol of a movement.
harmonicon
(12,008 posts)Skinheads are no more all racists than hippies are are all actress murderers.
phasma ex machina
(2,328 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)That combined with the sentiment on the shirt, proves he is not part of the original grouping consisting of a multiracial subculture.
harmonicon
(12,008 posts)Lots of people have shaved heads. I've got a cousin who's a pretty straight-laced commercial airline pilot. He has a shaved head. He's not a skinhead.
treestar
(82,383 posts)A lot more attractive than the fringe or the combover IMHO. In fact all black men seem now to have it or a shaved to the head look (see Obama, Barack).
And there is no way this guy is part of the skinheads of the punk era.
But also the Aryan nations types seemed to go with this look at one time. In 2012, we don't now the guy's motive, but it's either he's bald and just shaving it off or he's a racist. Or both.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Not all shaved heads are White Supremacists, but all shaved heads displaying those sentiments or similar ones on shirts and tattoos are. Do not judge me until you can prove me wrong.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)eom
harmonicon
(12,008 posts)The term "redneck" describes people who work outside in the sun. To use it as a pejorative is insulting to the working class. Are you also ok with "wet back" to describe a group of people? Same thing.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)"redneck"
That said, I do not believe 'redneck' is insulting to the 'working class' in general, so much as it is insulting to Southern white working class males specifically.
harmonicon
(12,008 posts)It's sometimes self-identifying, but sometimes meant as an insult. There are times it can make me uncomfortable, and there are times when people use the word and it's just part of the vocabulary, but then it's usually not meant in an insulting way, but a descriptive way.
In my mind, something insulting to one element of the working class is insulting to the entire working class. These sort of terms exist to keep the working class divided. As far as I can tell, it's also the primary reason for the perpetuation of racism. These are the divisions that have to fall for real progress to be made.
BainsBane
(53,031 posts)It's wrong I suppose, but they really piss me off.
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)How is it that no one is throwing this guy out or getting away from him? Simply for the sake of hiding their own racism you'd think they would disavow this asshole.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)have answered your own question. hopefully others will see what is at stake.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)The fact that he/she was not put out, and that's a commercially print job on that shirt, shows there are many, many more of them. They are not fit to be dogcatcher, much less in government.
NJRick1006
(62 posts)Even in my "blue" state of New Jersey, this type of vile nonsense is all over (albeit not quite to this extreme). Supposed "friends" of ours have fake tombstones in their front yard with the names "Clinton", "Obama", "Biden" on them. A store in a nearby town has a picture of President Obama as a witch doctor. The owner of the store says that business has picked up dramatically since he hung the picture in his display window.
I want this crowd not only beaten, but destroyed. I blame most of this on the right-wing media which enables this shit. Some of the media think this is cute or "free speech". I'm sorry, but in a supposedly civilized country this cannot be tolerated.
maryellen99
(3,788 posts)This is the reason the polls have swung Romneys way.
Ghost in the Machine
(14,912 posts)It also has more than NC, SC, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas and even Texas! Taking into consideration that your whole state is the size of just one major city in most of these states says a lot, too... but it's nothing to read a lot of South bashing here on DU... read a lot about the 'racist South', but never about the racist North...
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/hate-map
Peace,
Ghost
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)malaise
(268,938 posts)Rmoney/Lyan logo - sanctioned by them. Effing racist ReTHUGs
Liberal In Texas
(13,548 posts)Piece of garbage.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)i'm aure they are all over
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2theleft
(1,136 posts)Hmmm... I have no problems at people being proud of who they are, or where they come from. The issue isn't "pride", it's racism. Being "proud" of your ethnicity at the expense of someone elses. Is my boyfriend proud that his lineage includes Robert the Bruce? Absolutely. Does that make him superior to anyone else? Absolutely not.
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Hugabear
(10,340 posts)I'm pretty sure that you know it's racist, so that means you're trolling.
Say hello to your freeper pals under the bridge.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Yes, the troll has been sent back to the bridge. He needs to understand color does not determine character. As a white person, I have more in common with a black Obama than I do a white Romney or Ryan. The view he was espousing was childish and un-American.
He is in denial. The fact is, it is rich white men have done the southern white men he claims to speak for more harm than a black man ever could. They are just the diversion for fools who are afraid to fight the rich white man.
That is why GOP are bullies and cowards, as those are two sides of the same miserable coin. They are attacking those who are more like them in economic terms than the boss man. They lick the boots of the boss and kick anyone they can get away with to prove to themselves they are men.
But it takes courage and strength to stand up to the boss man, and sticking together with the less well-off to build something strong as our parents did in years gone by with the unions and the civil rights movement. MLK was not speaking just for the blacks, but all of us.
I'd pity the fools who fall for this charade year in and year out and become racist tools, but the hour is getting late the world has no time for their selfish immaturity. Grow up or get out of the way.
BainsBane
(53,031 posts)Why does anyone need to express white pride? I've been white my whole life, and it never occurred to me to think this way. I may be proud of being Irish, but whiteness only exists in opposition to people of color. So-called white pride is white supremacy. How is it anything but racist? It is about resentment toward people of color, as the teeshirt clearly conveys.
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BainsBane
(53,031 posts)And thinks it should be exclusively white. That is all his shirt conveys.
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BainsBane
(53,031 posts)Just as the Irish do on St Patrick's day or Scandinavians do in the many cultural/Ethic groups in the Midwest. But it is not about anything as simple minded as skin color. There is as much difference in skin color among African Americans as between those we identify as whites and blacks.
I see no reason for the Democrats to conform themselves to racists. They left the party in the 1960s.
treestar
(82,383 posts)It subtly getting at the idea that black people voted for Obama because he's black. There is some sentiment about having someone that looks like me in the WH. But it's not valid, as the black vote will go Democratic generally, so just having a black guy win as President is icing on the cake.
And it is understandable for black people to enjoy this icing on the cake. I'm white, and I even like it (and would vote for the Democrat regardless of skin color). I am glad to see this barrier broken, but at the same time, think Obama is a great President and would think so had he been white and done the same things.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Jury: do what you need to do. It was worth it anyway.
syncreticist
(17 posts)....
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Indpndnt
(2,391 posts)And your post stayed.
Pithlet
(25,089 posts)that helped get rid of that POS.
wtmusic
(39,166 posts)I know I'm not supposed to say that, but fuck it.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Indpndnt
(2,391 posts)Me, too!
defacto7
(13,485 posts)It's Friday night and.. it reminds me of a song...
"They'll be comin' round the mountain when they come.."
Crash that train!
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)eom
EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)"Racist piece of shit" is spot-on and perhaps too mild.
complain jane
(4,302 posts)OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)It is pathetic to take pride in the amount of melanin you were born with. There is not one single thing about being white that is worthy of pride. Take pride in your accomplishments. Being white is not an accomplishment.
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BainsBane
(53,031 posts)Or you would know that African Americans have been the most reliable Dem. Voting block since the 60s, and voted for Clinton, Gore, and Kerry in percentages very close to that for Obama.
proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)Skittles
(153,150 posts)trolls are much more fun when they are just stupid assholes - the open displays of racism are just sickening
chervilant
(8,267 posts).
Hugabear
(10,340 posts)If you're going to sit here and defend "white pride", then expect to get called out for it.
Fucking racist. Enjoy your stay here while it lasts, seems like didn't take very long for you to show your true colors.
Hugabear
(10,340 posts)It's like they just can't help themselves.
BainsBane
(53,031 posts)Skinheads unite for Romney.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)a white america!
Rmoney/Lyin' 2012!
Whovian
(2,866 posts)Sick bastards.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)eom
freshwest
(53,661 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)eom
freshwest
(53,661 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)eom
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)spanone
(135,824 posts)i piss in his general direction
there's some rancid shit in thread....
frogmarch
(12,153 posts)me sick. I hate them.
Permanut
(5,602 posts)as evidenced by the trolls appearing in support of a bottom feeding piece of scum like this.
Bette Noir
(3,581 posts)Cha
(297,154 posts)CheapShotArtist
(333 posts)Everybody knows that conservatives only hate the president because of his policies! They absolutely love Black folks!
Godless in Seattle
(120 posts)Now is not the time for ideological purity.
judesedit
(4,437 posts)e else? Only illiterate, ignorant, racist fucks could spread and/or believe that nonsense. Certainly no true Christian would preach that bullshit. It's too bad there are still so make dickheads around making the world miserable. Why don't they go live on their own pirvate island. I don't think anyone would miss them for an instant.
BainsBane
(53,031 posts)Who blame people of color for the fact their lives suck. Every time they see a successful black person, they think he got there by virtue of skin color alone. That's how they try to make themselves feel better for doing nothing with their own lives. I understand the deck is stacked against a lot of people in this country, but these people choose to be idiots. And they vote for politicians them keep them down. I have no sympathy for them.
appleannie1
(5,067 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)there is support out there for these memes. It's NOT isolated
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)only those who are the fabric of overheated liberal imaginations.
arthritisR_US
(7,287 posts)waste of skin
AlinPA
(15,071 posts)arthritisR_US
(7,287 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Would love to get that exposed.
Gradivus
(1 post)Obviously, it's not an official Romney/Ryan T-shirt. Yes, there are racists in the world, the First Amendment allows them to spew racist messages, and you can find them in every party. There are racist Obama supporters too:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election-2012/stacey-dash-defends-twitter-article-1.1177976
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)welcome to DU
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)"racist Obama supporters"? Perhaps they were just racists period and are not supporters of Obama.
They also could be in the dirty tricks category. iows - Romney supporters playing nasty games. Actually, now that I think about it that is way more likely where those tweets came from.
NICO9000
(970 posts)...but all racists are Republicans!
According to Buzzfeed, a Romney spokesperson "commented that the shirt was reprehensible and has no place in this election."
Yet I'm sure nobody from the campaign had the guts to throw the guy out on his ass. Tacit endorsement indeed.
AlinPA
(15,071 posts)skeewee08
(1,983 posts)As an African American I believe All races should be proud of who they are; however when you incorporate racism in your message that is wrong. I bet the African American slaves who built the WH don't care what color the President is.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Maybe, but in my opinion, there is a really big difference between "white pride" and "Irish pride," etc.
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)He's welcome there, because RACISM is welcome amongst most Republicans. I say "most" and I mean it. I've met enough Republicans to do the math. Bigots, the lot of them.
rsweets
(307 posts)Bucky
(53,997 posts)blackdiamond62
(24 posts)Well actually when I saw the shirt I thought he was referring to either Betty White or Vanna White.
efhmc
(14,725 posts)Having tea and talking about what letters to turn.
desertduck
(213 posts)i KNOW people like this are out there...but i am still gobsmacked everytime i see such filth.
LoisB
(7,202 posts)I hope he's stocking up on canned goods because if RawMoney gets elected, he won't have enough left from his check to buy food after the Wall Street boys take their 30% off the top.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)The Whitehouse was built on the back of Black Slavery labor..
ignorant racist..
Paladin
(28,252 posts)...what a huge favor he has inadvertently done for the Obama/Biden campaign. This photo has been all over the country and around the world who knows how many times by now. Hey, if nobody else will say it, I will: Thanks a lot, fuckhead.......
santamargarita
(3,170 posts)And then paint that bald head black too!
elbloggoZY27
(283 posts)Intolerance is the GOP Agenda.
It started the day President Obama was sworn in.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)NYtoBush-Drop Dead
(490 posts)Romney must be so proud to represent the low lifes of society.
ushadrons
(8 posts)The rise of this overt racism should be a call to the polls for all decent Americans.
Mitt Romney and the corporatist theocratic GOP must be defeated.
"I don't agree with all the people who support me, and my guess is they don't all agree with everything I believe in, but I need to get 50.1 percent or more, and I'm appreciative to have the help of a lot of good people." - Mitt Romney
Misinformation, Fear, And Hate In America
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)where i live this video would be seen as a validation people's beliefs. Even the headline would be interpreted as applying to obama and not the like-mided folks in the video.
jesus wept
King_Klonopin
(1,306 posts)Tribetime
(4,685 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)Thanks for your support!
markpkessinger
(8,392 posts). . . I will at least give him a little credit for the relative courage of his honesty. I believe there are a whole lot of Romney supporters out there for whom the sentiment is equally held, but who are socially savvy enough to know not to admit to it.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Not on my watch....
onehandle
(51,122 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)"Free" trade, the Unitary Executive, infinite bailouts for bankers, and the rest. Those are the problems. Mentioning them in public is not the problem.
VPStoltz
(1,295 posts)My eldest bother is a Repug/Vet.
I had tried and tried to open his eyes: brought the troops home, got binLaden, Michelle's cause is Vet families, Dems support Vets overwhelmingly better than Repugs, more funding, more awareness, meets the fallen when they return home, SON OF THE VP IS IN ACTIVE SERVICE (to emphasize that Mitton's boys did not even try to serve), and on and on.
He says he and his fellow Vets, "Dislike and don't trust" the Presidents as opposed to "hate" him.
When I suggested something else was at play he hit the ceiling.
That answered my question.
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)It is likely that there needs to be some redecorating done-a coat of white paint on the ceiling may do it. There, putting the white (paint) back in the Whitehouse. Apart from that... Doesn't matter about the creed or colour of the person who is elected to reside there, just needs to be someone of good moral fibre and integrity. Since there is a realistic choice between Obama and Romney, I take the guy with the integrity. Not Romney, since he is severely lacking in that department.
KevTucky
(90 posts)Not all Teabaggers are racist, but all racists are Teabaggers.
LW1977
(1,234 posts)This redneck douchebag should be taken to Harlem and left for dead, what disgusting piece of human trash!
WillyT
(72,631 posts)The old Republican Party has been replaced by the bigots.
Ironically... the Party of Lincoln...
But as I've always said...
"In these times... not every Republican is a KKK or Nazi member, yet every American Nazi and KKK member, votes Republican."
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