General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHis Patient Refused the Vaccine. She Died of COVID in the ICU.
His Patient Refused the Vaccine. She Died of COVID in the ICU.
JESUS CHRIST, THIS IS AWFUL
Some of these x-rays, with an untrained eye you wouldnt know theres a lung that exists in there.
Michael Daly, Special Correspondent
Updated Apr. 05, 2021 9:42PM ET / Published Apr. 05, 2021 9:06PM ET
snip//
None of the patients had been vaccinated. They either had not yet been able to get a shot or they had declined the opportunity. One clerical worker in her 50s had been given the chance but refused and ended up in the ICU with COVID-19.
The womans chest x-ray looked like a white sheet of paper, something increasingly common among recent patients.
The worst chest x-rays Ive ever seen in my life, Haacke said. Some of these x-rays, with an untrained eye you wouldnt know theres a lung that exists in there.
snip//
On Monday afternoon, the woman took a turn from bad to worse. Haacke and his team spent two hours doing everything they could. Her husband and daughter arrived and were able to say their goodbyes. Then it was over for the woman as it was over for 270 Americans the day before, as it has been over for more than 550,000 of us since the pandemic began.
The daughter was carried out, physically lifted and carried out because she was so hysterical, Haacke reported. Jesus Christ, this is awful.
more...
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-all-white-covid-chest-x-rays-this-icu-nurse-is-dreading-after-easter?ref=home
secondwind
(16,903 posts)I apologize in advance, but I have less and less pity for these foolish people, because they are endangering US as well.
My relatives in FL are not taking the vaccine, except for one cousin and her children. When I go to FL to visit "family", she will be the only family I have, for what it's worth. My niece in Miami has two beautiful girls, 8 and 7, who have not been vaccinated AT ALL.
Am sick and tired of this crap.
FakeNoose
(35,891 posts)Also ask them where they keep their will, and how do they want to be buried.
csziggy
(34,189 posts)Either to bury them or to provide care for the rest of their lives if they catch any of the diseases for which there are effective and safe vaccinations.
Maybe that would give them a dose of reality.
One of the kids I grew up with had rubella. He had some kind of damage from the illness - I never knew exactly what. We were between five and six and it was never discussed with the kids in the neighborhood. All we knew was that he could never come out and play with us after that. That happened before the vaccine for rubella was developed and released in 1969. Another kid had heart and brain damage from rubella that his mother had while he was in the womb. Yet another had polio. No kid in that neighborhood grew up and became an anti-vaxxer. We all knew what could happen without that protection and that it was far worse than any possible side effects of vaccinating.
Celerity
(46,519 posts)'other', the enemy.
I stand and watch from afar, looking in, and I am gobsmacked at the murderous stupidity and hate of around 80 to 100 million or so of my fellow American citizens. It grows each year, in both size and intensity.
Batshit crazy fundie religion, racism, greed, homophobia, misogyny, general laziness, a revelling in anti-science, hate driven from unhealthy bodies and minds, a love of bullying violence (mentally, physically, emotional) against the defenceless and the weak, etc etc all are combining to drive the death cult to new depths.
SergeStorms
(19,312 posts)"own the Libs"! Maybe we should ask her surviving family if they think it was worth it. I'm willing to bet there's at least one who says, "yes".
If these people ever wake up and see the truth there'd never be another republican elected to public office again.
those who do not want to get the vaccine are risking their life and lives of others. Such selfishness, or just plain denial and ignorance.
smh.
Rebl2
(14,863 posts)vacillated at all, do you mean none of the childhood vaccines? If so, that is very sad AND dangerous for them and other young children they might be around.
COL Mustard
(6,935 posts)I have less and less pity (or sympathy) for people who have the opportunity to get vaccinated and don't take it. I feel the same for people who don't wear masks. I went to high school with the guy who is now the mayor of Orange Beach, Alabama, and he was in the news last week or week before saying that he wouldn't die with a mask on. I hope he doesn't die with a ventilator on instead. These people are either too stupid, too stubborn, too ignorant or too defiant to listen to what the public health experts are saying. I suppose if they want to improve the gene pool by leaving it, that's their choice, but it sure as hell isn't mine.
I have an appointment for my first shot this afternoon (a three hour drive from home), but you better believe I'm going to take it. (Since I made that appointment, I've gotten a backup close to home, and just got notified from work that I could get one here. When it rains it pours!)
snowybirdie
(5,664 posts)But children aren't being vaccinated anywhere yet.
Crunchy Frog
(27,065 posts)Sorry about the medical workers stuck dealing with the mess.
nattyice
(339 posts)samnsara
(18,290 posts)Treefrog
(4,170 posts)Did the article say she was?
Wednesdays
(20,315 posts)If not, then why are you offended?
Neema
(1,152 posts)they've almost come back around to being far right.
I've got a friend who's ex is a Waldorf teacher. He had to threaten court to get his kids vaxxed. I also work with a 'Naturopath' in his 60s, when i asked him which vax he got he said he's not going to get one... he uses Homeopathy.
Celerity
(46,519 posts)I knew the cult mentality was bad, but those pictures really show it.
bdamomma
(66,615 posts)ripped them off too.
RVN VET71
(2,788 posts)And his kids will produce T-shirts and mugs and other memorabilia that these people will buy to place in their Trump Altars. Maybe they will be careful to un-check the regular repeat donation box when they place their order. Maybe not. These are not Americas best and brightest, after all.
judesedit
(4,513 posts)Celerity
(46,519 posts)crickets
(26,148 posts)Karadeniz
(23,454 posts)Celerity
(46,519 posts)scientifically programmed for decades in most cases
It is classic non-linear warfare/reflexive control tactics.
Create a fog of war, destroy valid measurements and norms, zig when all else in a normal predictive system says you will ZAG.
Non-Linear Warfare and Reflexive Control - NATO Defence College
http://www.ndc.nato.int/download/downloads.php?icode=467
What is Hybrid Warfare?
https://globalsecurityreview.com/hybrid-and-non-linear-warfare-systematically-erases-the-divide-between-war-peace/
Redefining Hybrid Warfare: Russias Nonlinear War against the West
http://scholarcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1538&context=jss
Putins Way of War
The War in Russias Hybrid Warfare
http://ssi.armywarcollege.edu/pubs/parameters/issues/Winter_2015-16/9_Monaghan.pdf
The Hidden Author of Putinism
How Vladislav Surkov invented the new Russia
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/11/hidden-author-putinism-russia-vladislav-surkov/382489/
I am the author, or one of the authors, of the new Russian system, Vladislav Surkov told us by way of introduction. On this spring day in 2013, he was wearing a white shirt and a leather jacket that was part Joy Division and part 1930s commissar. My portfolio at the Kremlin and in government has included ideology, media, political parties, religion, modernization, innovation, foreign relations, and ...here he pauses and smilesmodern art. He offers to not make a speech, instead welcoming the Ph.D. students, professors, journalists, and politicians gathered in an auditorium at the London School of Economics to pose questions and have an open discussion. After the first question, he talks for almost 45 minutes, leaving hardly any time for questions after all. Its his political system in miniature: democratic rhetoric and undemocratic intent.
Karadeniz
(23,454 posts)chia
(2,393 posts)barbtries
(29,904 posts)they're gone. i'm sickened to know how many of them there are.
i saw that mentality at the Capitol on 06Jan2021. the adoration of trump and the hatred of the other. it's very discouraging. i don't get it.
BComplex
(9,135 posts)Fox is the single biggest cause of this mess we're in. There have been other staunch supporters, but fox gives them a platform like no other, and constant lies, propaganda and misinformation.
barbtries
(29,904 posts)we must find a way to distinguish between free speech and free propaganda. the latter is so dangerous.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I'm sorry, but they look just like I would imagine Trump supporters to look like. They really are a "type".
mahina
(18,979 posts)That Nazi flag, those hateful faces
💧
One at a time.
NBachers
(18,166 posts)Celerity
(46,519 posts)I unfortunately have to say these variants are going to probably start to run riot in the US (and you likely will brew up some wicked ones locally, given the atrocious wilful ignorance of tens of millions of QMAGAts).
Look at the deaths per million rates over here in the EU now.
The US is the only non Euro nation in the top 15 globally now.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
brewens
(15,359 posts)hay rick
(8,253 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,342 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)came from outside the syndrome, they'd be shocked and wonder at what those under the influence were doing. Likely very few would suspect it could be them.
Meanness is the biggest indicator of societies going bad. WE didn't used to be quite the same people we are now either. It's catching.
hay rick
(8,253 posts)I had an ok checkup and, before he moved on, he asked me how things were going otherwise. I told him that I recently got my second shot and that was improving my outlook. He rolled his eyes and said he hoped enough other people would also get shots. He said he sees a significant number of vaccine skeptics in his practice. He hopes that will change- one important reason being that he wants to start a family.
We had a brief discussion about the current state of society and I said that if you had told me 30 or 40 years ago that we would arrive at this point I would have thought you were a paranoid nut.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Permanut
(6,698 posts)and they said "can you hold?"
SayitAintSo
(2,207 posts)I can't take the vaccine because of a medical condition, I have other friends that are in the same boat. I'm alarmed at the level of virtue shaming for people that choose not to take the vaccine for various reasons. I sincerely hope that many of the shamers on DU reconsider their position understanding there is a myriad of reasons why people make this choice. The truth is, not taking the vaccine does not hurt other people around them it only puts the non vaxxer at greater risk, supposedly. Please read the fine print on the vaccines before you continue virtue shaming people for their decisions. You might learn something and having an 'aha' experience about your own biases.
I've been a member of DU since the beginning days, I rarely post, I felt compelled to do this now. I know I will be slammed and trolled for this but please rethink your bias on shaming non vaxxers.
Mister Ed
(6,363 posts)So that the few of us who can't will not be exposed.
Maraya1969
(23,014 posts)yourself in danger is not right. Because you are more likely to spread this disease if you do not take the vaccine because you are more likely to get it. You have to continue to mask up until there is herd immunity in this case.
Unfortunately it does put others at risk. You can transmit the virus. Only people with a documented severe possible consequence due to for example previous anaphylactic vaccine reaction etc. or possible severe events due to a med condition should be refusing it. Then you need to stay isolated until numbers are much lower. The latter is being misused by many often due to ill advice of doctors or misconceptions etc.
SayitAintSo
(2,207 posts)Again, read the fine print you might learn something.
Ms. Toad
(35,586 posts)The evidence is now fairly strong that the vaccines not only minimize the personal impact of the disease, but also prevents infection. That means that unless you have no contact with anyone else, you are at risk for catching COVID and exposing others while you are asymptomatic. Because none of the vaccines are 100% effective, you are not only hurting yourself, you are hurting others who are not vaccinated (including children who do not even have the option to be vaccinated) and adults who have been vaccinated, but fall within the 5% to 25% who do not acquire immunity from the vaccine.
So if you are basing your decision not to be vaccinated on the incorrect understanding that you are hurting no one but yourself, you should rethink the risk v benefit analysis.
SayitAintSo
(2,207 posts)Again read the fine print it spells it out. Just because you're vaccinated you are not protected from getting it or spreading it. It supposedly reduces your symptoms... giving you a less severe case, supposedly protecting the vaxxer more than the non vaxxer. That's the point. It's all in the fine print if people read it.
Ms. Toad
(35,586 posts)Which is why I took issue with it
The growing (uncontradicted) body of evidence is that not only does it prevent severe disease and death, it ALSO prevents getting the disease and spreading it. (There are at least three studies that have reached this conclusion, and NONE that that suggest otherwise. The early studies did not document a lack of disease prevention, it simply wasn't tested for - all of the data they gathered focused on reducing the severity of the disease. Now that there is a much larger body who are vaccinated they are starting to test the ignored question - in these new studies they are expressly testing all vaccine recipients for seroconversion, regardless of whehter they are symptomatic - and all three arrived at the same conclusion: the vaccines ALSO prevent (asymptomatic) infection.)
So vaccinated people (by and large) stop being spreaders, stop contributing to the exponential growth, and stop contributing to the creation of variants.
Unvaccinated people continue to be spreaders, to contribute to the exponential growth, and to the creation of variants
So when you choose not to be vaccinated you are hurting yourself - BUT - you are also hurting other people around you.
So if your decision is based on the understanding (prior to the recent, more in-depth, testing) that you are ONLY hurting yourself, you should rethink it because all of the current research suggests that this vaccine works like all others as to prevention of disease.
Aristus
(68,518 posts)As a medical provider in primary care, I know as well as anyone out there that genuine allergies exist, and so of course no one "virtue shames" those patients. They just happen to be extremely rare.
OTOH, I have anti-vaxxers in all the time spewing staggeringly stupid misinformation about immunizations. I knock their idiotic objections down one by one until all they're left with is "I just don't want to". Which is their way of saying they know I'm right, but don't have the stones to admit it.
Getting non-allergic patients to get their vaccines is not "virtue shaming". It's good medical practice.
LittleGirl
(8,462 posts)I have pages and pages of allergy reports in my health file but when its my turn, Im getting the vaccine. I dont expect to die from the virus or vaccine as there are treatments quickly available. My biggest fear is becoming a long hauler covid patient.
Now, if only Switzerland would get their act together.
C Moon
(12,593 posts)those who choose not to get the vaccine.
Just as discussions about non-maskers are regarding those who choose not to wear a mask, and not about those who cannot for medical reasons.
Neema
(1,152 posts)CAN get vaccinated and do not put us all at risk...including and especially those who cannot get vaccinated for medical reasons.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Two wholly separate concepts... one predicated wholly on pre-existing conditions, the other predicated wholly on a lack of relevant education.
Please rethink your bias on self-assigned martyrdom.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Right-wingers like to use "virtue signaling" against LeftyLeftLeftists but "virtue shaming" isn't something I've seen.
SayitAintSo
(2,207 posts)Might be the person that alerted on me for my post, just for expressing an alternate viewpoint. I have become increasingly disturbed at the lack of diversity in opinions that are accepted on DU. Again I've been with you since the beginning and it's changed a lot ...sometimes it's hard to distinguish the DUers from the right-wing nuts in shaming people for diverse opinions on a given topic. And a big thank you to the moderator who allowed my post to remain.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Baltimike
(4,441 posts)but I was able to schedule them. I'd be happy to help you too if you need it
getagrip_already
(17,496 posts)My wife and oldest sun are fully vaxed, my daughter, brother, and I have one, and my other son will have one on sat.
Yes, they are hard to get, but try the local pharmacies and check early morning (like 1am - 3am).
If you don't yet qualify, hang in there. Most states are opening up to anyone over 16 at some point in April (MA is 4/19).
Mickju
(1,812 posts)I hope that is correct.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)MoonchildCA
(1,344 posts)Im on a waiting list. I actually hope they delay the date until there are enough vaccines for the current tier.
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)Its a drive thru system at the health dept
A friend from DC came down to see her dad & got one while she was here. Said she couldnt get an appt up in Dc
chia
(2,393 posts)SheltieLover
(59,803 posts)Covidiot.
dalton99a
(84,634 posts)getagrip_already
(17,496 posts)He got blood transfusions from recovered soldiers during his stay at walter reed. It was reported at the time that the treatments were being tested and had therapeutic value. That would be a form of vax.
He absolutely got treatments not available to the public (and still not available).
He had glassy lung, which is difficult for even a healthy young person to recover from.
We won't ever know for sure unless someone massively breaks the law. Health records are largely immune from view.
irisblue
(34,364 posts)Last edited Tue Apr 6, 2021, 09:22 AM - Edit history (2)
on their story ends? I'd like to finish reading it.
babylonsister
(171,656 posts)I signed up so I could read the stories.
bringthePaine
(1,806 posts)IronLionZion
(47,035 posts)but the problem with a virus is that people can spread it to others who did not make that choice, could not get vaccinated for whatever reason, or could still get long term organ damage even if they survive.
Measles and other infectious diseases are a big problem in antivax communities. COVID is going to be with us for a long time with this mentality.
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)They dont want to hear about all the people with long term effects that may keep them out of work forever. THOSE people "survived" too
roamer65
(37,222 posts)arlyellowdog
(1,429 posts)The tech who gave me my mammogram (a Black woman who said she only has one kidney). A supervisor in a group home for disabled (a Black woman). My Hispanic friend who heard you die in 2 years and it makes her children sterile. All are Biden voters. We have a lot of outreach to do.
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)We're all going to turn into the Walking Dead
And i keep asking my trumper friends, if all this is a plot to get rid of YOU then why are so many darned liberals taking the shots? Oh, THOSE shots are fake. Obama didnt get a REAL shot. Argh
Politicub
(12,289 posts)of cruelty.
malaise
(278,442 posts)So shall you DIE.
Get your vaccine
Our good friend went into the ICU last week and went home on Sunday.
We were very worried because she is overweight. Guess what - she went home on Sunday.
She had received one dose of the vaccine.
patphil
(7,048 posts)I wasn't keen on getting any vaccines for years due to things like thimersol, a mercury compound, that was used as a preservative, aluminum, which was used as a means to increase the immune response but could actually damage the immune system, and other non-vaccine related compounds in the vaccine.
That said, I'm not stupid. I realize that there are situations where it is the responsible thing to do both for ourselves, our families, and the people all around us.
It's not just a personal choice.
Refusing a vaccine during a pandemic is extremely selfish. It could kill, or permanently injure you, not to mention the fact that if you get Covid-19 you could give it to other family members or friends. You could be the vector that allows the disease to kill someone you know and love.
Not only did this woman cause herself immense pain and, ultimately, death, but the pain her family is experiencing will be long lasting, and the sense of loss will always be there.
People need to get this vaccine for the sake of others, if not for themselves.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,804 posts)There is some talk among the epidemiologists that the P1 variant is vaccine-resistant, and is worse in almost every way than COVID Classic. We need help, and lots of it!
Wingus Dingus
(8,408 posts)You at the very least have the pre-existing condition of being old, even if you don't think of yourself that way. No youth to protect you anymore. I'm trying to get my older brother convinced of this, he's wary of the vaccine--told him to at least get the J and J shot.
Vinca
(51,156 posts)Ultimately, it's their choice and I won't mourn any of them passing.
Demovictory9
(33,862 posts)JCMach1
(28,103 posts)Get the vaccine, peeps
inwiththenew
(987 posts)That's life. There is a quote that goes "It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others".