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Sun Apr 11, 2021, 01:27 PM

'They Ruined His Life': Cops Who Held Lt. Nazario at Gunpoint Must Face Independent Probe, Ex-Police

Two former police chiefs have called for an independent investigation into the Virginia police officers who escalated a traffic stop of a Black and Latino Army Lieutenant, with both insisting that the department's leader should provide greater transparency and accountability.

In December 2020, two Windsor, Virginia police officers—Daniel Crocker and Joe Gutierrez—pulled over Caron Nazario, a second lieutenant in the U.S. Army Medical Corps, and drew their guns before using pepper spray and knocking him to the ground.

Nazario filed a lawsuit in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia this month, alleging that the officers engaged in racial profiling, threatened to kill him and that their actions may have negatively impacted his military career. He also claims that his constitutional rights were violated.

The incident was captured by bodycam footage and on Nazario's cellphone, according to the suit. Footage was shared online Friday, prompting national attention and widespread outrage. The Windsor Police Department has yet to publicly comment on the incident and both officers are still working for the department, according to the Virginian Pilot.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/they-ruined-his-life-cops-who-held-lt-nazario-at-gunpoint-must-face-independent-probe-ex-police-chiefs-say/ar-BB1fwkNw

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Reply 'They Ruined His Life': Cops Who Held Lt. Nazario at Gunpoint Must Face Independent Probe, Ex-Police (Original post)
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 11 OP
badhair77 Apr 11 #1
Dustlawyer Apr 11 #16
True Blue American Apr 12 #41
Dustlawyer Apr 12 #44
True Blue American Apr 12 #48
Stuart G Apr 11 #2
leftyladyfrommo Apr 11 #3
DURHAM D Apr 11 #4
bluestarone Apr 11 #5
malaise Apr 12 #39
Glorfindel Apr 11 #6
COL Mustard Apr 11 #11
malaise Apr 12 #40
Glorfindel Apr 12 #43
malaise Apr 12 #46
True Blue American Apr 12 #49
iluvtennis Apr 11 #7
uponit7771 Apr 11 #33
George II Apr 11 #8
Normanart Apr 11 #27
True Blue American Apr 12 #42
PortTack Apr 11 #9
ItsjustMe Apr 11 #10
bluestarone Apr 11 #12
intheflow Apr 12 #35
WhiskeyGrinder Apr 11 #13
KS Toronado Apr 11 #14
Brother Buzz Apr 11 #15
KS Toronado Apr 11 #18
Blue_true Apr 11 #31
onethatcares Apr 12 #47
Blue_true Apr 13 #50
Blue_playwright Apr 11 #20
druidity33 Apr 11 #32
Trueblue1968 Apr 11 #17
CaptainTruth Apr 11 #19
NJCher Apr 11 #22
Grasswire2 Apr 11 #24
Ms. Toad Apr 11 #34
Solomon Apr 12 #36
Ms. Toad Apr 12 #37
Old Crank Apr 11 #21
spooky3 Apr 11 #23
Mary in S. Carolina Apr 11 #25
MineralMan Apr 11 #26
erronis Apr 11 #28
Martin68 Apr 11 #29
NJCher Apr 11 #30
BobTheSubgenius Apr 12 #38
bluestarone Apr 12 #45

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Apr 11, 2021, 01:38 PM

1. Just plain disgraceful.

There is no defense for the officer with the pepper spray. Didn’t see enough of the other one.

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Response to badhair77 (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 11, 2021, 02:38 PM

16. The "Ride the lighting" comment made with guns pointed at him

was plenty of justification for his unwillingness to get out of his vehicle.

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #16)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 12:45 PM

41. What does that mean?

I am not really up on Police slang.

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #41)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 02:22 PM

44. It is a phrase from the electric chair days.

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #44)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 03:38 PM

48. WOW!

That Policeman was really going over the top. Makes you wonder how many more he has abused!
Bet he voted for Trump!

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Apr 11, 2021, 01:49 PM

2. Thank You for Posting..K and R..

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Apr 11, 2021, 01:49 PM

3. This was just incredibly awful.

Penalties for this kind of behavior need to be so bad that these assholes will be afraid to even try it. And they should always be fired and lose all benefits.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Apr 11, 2021, 02:07 PM

4. If he had not driven to a well lighted area

I doubt he would still be alive.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #4)

Sun Apr 11, 2021, 02:10 PM

5. AGREE

100%!

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 12:08 PM

39. THIS! n/t

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Apr 11, 2021, 02:11 PM

6. He should sue that city into bankruptcy.

Those two cops should be in jail right now, awaiting trial. Nothing is worse than a bully, in uniform or not.

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Response to Glorfindel (Reply #6)

Sun Apr 11, 2021, 02:29 PM

11. It Won't Take Much

That's a pretty poor area of Virginia...Isle of Wight County, I believe. Those cops should be sued for everything they're worth, or ever will be.

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Response to Glorfindel (Reply #6)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 12:09 PM

40. Where does this hatred come from?

Seriously

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Response to malaise (Reply #40)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 02:19 PM

43. I don't know, malaise. I honestly can't imagine boiling with that much hate.

And then becoming a police officer and carrying the hatred along on the job!

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Response to Glorfindel (Reply #43)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 02:28 PM

46. I think there are police across the globe who join to

fulfill their desire to bully, maim and kill.

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Response to malaise (Reply #40)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 03:40 PM

49. Even worse

He was Hispanic.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Apr 11, 2021, 02:16 PM

7. So happy Lt Nazario has filed a lawsuit -what these officers did was profiling and is unacceptable.

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Response to iluvtennis (Reply #7)

Sun Apr 11, 2021, 07:24 PM

33. +1, after the tag was seen in the back of the window via body cam its a closed situation.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Apr 11, 2021, 02:23 PM

8. They told him to keep his hands outside the car, but told him to get out. How is that....

....physically possible?

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Response to George II (Reply #8)

Sun Apr 11, 2021, 03:48 PM

27. SOP

Give conflicting or contradictory commands, then escalate for non-compliance, then attack with deadly force. Recipe for police violence.

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Response to George II (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 12:49 PM

42. And unlock his door.

Last edited Mon Apr 12, 2021, 03:41 PM - Edit history (1)

Guitterez has been fired. Crocker was trying to help by unlocking his door. He was almost sprayed and that guy did it at least 4 times, shaking the can to do it again.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Apr 11, 2021, 02:27 PM

9. His legal actions are needed and I thank him for do it. Until there's a price to pay, and a big one

Nothing will change

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Apr 11, 2021, 02:28 PM

10. Bodycam Footage Of Virginia Cops Drawing Guns And Spraying Army Lieutenant During Traffic Stop

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Apr 11, 2021, 02:29 PM

12. This took place in Dec. 2020?

Wow i thought this was just recently.

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #12)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 08:01 AM

35. Four months ago IS recently.

Took time for the bodycam video to be released.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Apr 11, 2021, 02:31 PM

13. ACAB.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Apr 11, 2021, 02:32 PM

14. Does anyone know why he was pulled over to begin with?

Approaching a vehicle with guns drawn suggests they were looking for an armed bank robber,
surely not a fix-it ticket for a tail light.

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Response to KS Toronado (Reply #14)

Sun Apr 11, 2021, 02:36 PM

15. No license plate

It was a brand spanking new vehicle and had a paper tag fixed to the real window.

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #15)

Sun Apr 11, 2021, 02:44 PM

18. Thanks Bro, holy shit, there was no need for guns!

Hope both get fired.

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #15)

Sun Apr 11, 2021, 04:58 PM

31. Paper plates displayed are legal in many states, when the vehicle owner is awaiting metal plates.

In Florida, the Registry issues metal plates within minutes and then assign the plate to a owner and vehicle on the spot- it also delivers a Title on when spot to the financial owner of the vehicle (a person or bank) So, I don’t see paper plates in Florida.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #31)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 02:50 PM

47. oh yes, they have paper plates

white cardboard with black block lettering.

Most start with the letter "C" and are issued by buy here/pay here lots or larger dealers if you don't have a tag to go with a new buy.

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Response to onethatcares (Reply #47)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 05:14 PM

50. I haven't noticed any paper plates. It is likely that I simply overlooked them.

When I have bought new vehicles, they came with the metal plate, and registration. I have never purchased a used vehicle, so I don’t know how that system works.

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Response to KS Toronado (Reply #14)

Sun Apr 11, 2021, 02:50 PM

20. That's what I wondered

And if they did think he was some armed robber why is it so difficult to say - “we’re looking for a guy in a car like yours.”

I can’t see it being acceptable that cops DONT have to tell you why they pulled you over.

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Response to KS Toronado (Reply #14)

Sun Apr 11, 2021, 06:01 PM

32. The cops say...

it's because he refused to pull over. The Lt. says he didn't want to pull over on a deserted unlit road... so he kept driving (a mile or two?) until he saw street lights and a store/gas station... where he pulled over.



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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Apr 11, 2021, 02:41 PM

17. #ockUpThePigs !!! 20 years each in the slammer .... no parole.

HARD TIME !!! MAKE THEM SHOVEL ROCKS.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Apr 11, 2021, 02:46 PM

19. Joe Gutierrez is a racist rage-filled screaming lunatic.

You don't have to be an expert to see & hear that in the video.

He's clearly a danger to the public & shouldn't be on the street, especially with a gun.

And given the way he flew into an uncontrolled rage, he's also a potential danger to his wife & children, if he has any. They should be interviewed & his house inspected to ensure they're not in danger & not being abused.

I'm going to do some work on this one.

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Response to CaptainTruth (Reply #19)

Sun Apr 11, 2021, 03:08 PM

22. please keep us posted

Last edited Mon Apr 12, 2021, 12:19 PM - Edit history (1)

I do nonprofit legal work and have a case where a policeman flew into a rage and behaved in a similar fashion. In checking the law in that particular state, it is required that an officer behave in a reasonable manner. In the case I am talking about, the officer lost his temper so acutely that he was sweating profusely and saying things that made no sense to onlookers.

In this case, the behavior was so extreme that no one would blame Nazario for wondering if they were on steroids.

Personally, I would be terrified to get out in front of officers behaving in such an extreme manner, and aiming guns, too. As pointed out upthread, he was asked to do two contradictory actions: get out of the car while holding his hands out the window. That alone would make one question what frame of mind these officers were holding at the time of the incident.

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on edit: since I wrote this post, I had a chance to ask an experienced criminal lawyer about the requirement that officers comport themselves in a reasonable manner and the response was that the systm blows that off as unimportant.

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Response to CaptainTruth (Reply #19)

Sun Apr 11, 2021, 03:19 PM

24. something weird - the radio communication said "felony stop" before the incident took place.

Don't know if it was the dispatcher or the officer.

But why would they term it a felony stop, for a license plate??

That's very suspicious in itself.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #24)

Sun Apr 11, 2021, 07:35 PM

34. That's likely related to not pulling over immediately.

He continued to drive, slowly, to a place that was well lit because he was afraid to stop in the location where he was originally signaled to pull over. In Virginia, that can be charged as a felony (eluding the police), punishable by up to 5 years imprisonment and/or $2,500 fine.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #34)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 08:19 AM

36. And it's a bullshit reason. He wasn't eluding police. Not speeding away and he

pulled into the gas station. They knew he wasn't eluding.

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Response to Solomon (Reply #36)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 09:05 AM

37. I was answering the question asked

(why the comment about a felony), not commenting on whether it was an appropriate charge.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Apr 11, 2021, 02:54 PM

21. He needs to sue

For the town's budget.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Apr 11, 2021, 03:14 PM

23. The average employee is held accountable for bad behavior. I

don’t understand why some argue that police should be governed by lower standards. If anything, the standards should be HIGHER, given the harm they could cause and the authority we give them.

That debate is going on in MD, which just overturned the governor’s veto of legislation to hold officers to a higher standard.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Apr 11, 2021, 03:27 PM

25. Why are Cops so afraid of black people?????

I don't get it....I am not afraid of black people.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Apr 11, 2021, 03:37 PM

26. Well, obviously a Black 2nd Lt. in the Army Medical Corps

couldn't possibly buy a new vehicle. It had to be stolen, the dumbass cops think. How could he be driving a better car than they owned, after all?



Lt. Nazario should win his lawsuit quite easily.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Apr 11, 2021, 04:07 PM

28. Don't sue the town, the municipality, or the PD. Sue the fuck out of those officers(?)

Make them pay the penalty. The taxpayers don't need to be punished - well, maybe a bit.

Police unions (imagine that the RW slobbering NJs actually like unions) have hoisted this monstrosity on the people.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Apr 11, 2021, 04:21 PM

29. Law enforcement out of control.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Apr 11, 2021, 04:45 PM

30. well, well, looky here

This police department has every reason to fear the results of an investigation of the Nazario confrontation. There is the possibility we may have a Virginia version of Ferguson, MO. You will recall this was the Michael Brown shooting where upon investigation, the U.S. Justice Department investigated and found that an inordinate number of tickets were given to black and brown people. The town was essentially putting the tax burden on this particular group of people.

Look at these snips from the article posted by the OP:

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Southers suggested that the town could be profiling and using traffic stops for revenue generation, noting that any prospective probe into the matter should assess the racial and gender demographics of the people being pulled over.

Best added that "having close to around 200 traffic stops in a month, on average, for an agency of seven people seems like a relatively high number of traffic stops so it definitely would warrant a further deep dive."

"I really need to understand why the department has seven officers and a K9," Southers said. "Canines are expensive. Their handlers, their training, their food, their vet bills, trust me, a canine is not an inexpensive venture if you have a force of seven.

"It sounds like they decided that they're going to up the ante on self-initiated field activities to justify their existence."

snip

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 11:10 AM

38. Cops losing their jobs for this kind of beahvior is not enough.

There need to be criminal charges as well. I'd think that a criminal record would make it very hard for them to ever wear a badge and a gun again.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 02:27 PM

45. Question regarding police bodycams.

Does ANYBODY look at these on a daily or weekly basis? This was in Dec. of 2020. As far as i'm concerned IF they were watched by any other police person, and NOT brought forth to investigate, then the whole DEPT. is GUILTY!! Who is incharge of BODYCAMS??

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