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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSanders warns Dems not to waste time catering to obstructionist GOP
Sen. Bernie Sanders, chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, said Saturday that amid the immediate emergencies of climate change, Covid-19, mass unemployment, and homelessness, congressional Democrats cannot afford to dampen their infrastructure ambitions in the hopes of winning support from obstructionist Republicans.
"The time is now to go forward," Sanders (IVt.) told the Washington Post. "This country faces enormous crises that have got to be addressed right now. When you have half a million people who are homeless, I'm not going to slow down."
"This country faces enormous crises that have got to be addressed right now. When you have half a million people who are homeless, I'm not going to slow down."
"When the scientists tell us we have five or six years before there will be irreparable damage done because of climate change," the Vermont senator added, "I'm not going to slow down."
SOURCE: https://www.rawstory.com/sanders-warns-dems-not-to-waste-time-catering-to-obstructionist-gop/
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)JohnSJ
(92,143 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Same thing.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Embrace it... or get over it and move on. He's one of ours. Count your blessings.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)He's reaming the country.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Oh - which part is the lie?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Embrace Manchin. Count your blessings. Learn to love him. Accept reality. Time to move on.
He's a Democrat. He's one of ours. Without him, the Republicans have the majority.
Gary 50
(381 posts)How about embrace Bernie? How about letting go of your hatred of him for having the audacity to have challenged Hillary. Every post about Bernie Sanders has some hate filled crap from you. Give it a rest. He is much more of a Democrat than the miserable POS Manchin.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)notinkansas
(1,096 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)HUAJIAO
(2,383 posts)Beastly Boy
(9,313 posts)Please! He is the ONLY Independent to chair a committee in the current Senate which is controlled by the Democrats. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Senate_committees). He has never in his political career held as much power in his long legislative career as he is in this current DEMOCRATIC Congress. If Bernie is embraced any tighter, it might cut off his blood circulation!
And let's see how much more of a Democrat Bernie is compared to Manchin, shall we?
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/
Oh my! this is embarrassing, isn't it? Not even close! Manchin beats him hands down! So much for that oft repeated myths of Bernie being more of a Democrat and Manchin being a DINO.
George II
(67,782 posts)Below are the ratings of all Democrats >0 (all the others are less than 0). Manchin's score is -54.1, third lowest of ALL Senators.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)I'd embrace him if I wasnt worried about finding a knife in my back afterwards.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,325 posts)tonedevil
(3,022 posts)about their personal life on these threads.
Autumn
(45,057 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Acutally, Autumn, nobody said it was.
Here... maybe this will help to enlighten:
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=reaming
Autumn
(45,057 posts)What part of that post is an anal-sex jokes/insinuations/lies about Manchin?
He's reaming the country.
You responded
11. Anal-sex jokes/insinuations/lies about a Democrat... how charming.
Here... Jackie maybe this will help to enlighten:
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/insinuate
verb (used with object), in·sin·u·at·ed, in·sin·u·at·ing.
to suggest or hint slyly:
He insinuated that they were lying.
to instill or infuse subtly or artfully, as into the mind:
to insinuate doubts through propaganda.
to bring or introduce into a position or relation by indirect or artful methods:
to insinuate oneself into favor.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ ream someone out
ream out
1. To carve, hollow, or smooth out the inside of something with a reamer (a rotary cutting tool) or a similar implement. A noun or pronoun can be used between "ream" and "out."
He reamed out the holes on the frame so that the larger pins of the new panel would fit properly.
2. To aggressively and angrily rebuke, criticize, or chastise someone, especially for some mistake or wrongdoing. A noun or pronoun can be used between "ream" and "out."
I'm going to quit my jobI'm so sick of irate customers coming in and reaming me out for something I have no control over.
The boss reamed out the entire team for screwing up the accounts.
See also: out, ream
Not everything is about sex. Sometimes words have different meanings.
He is indeed trying to hollow out , cut out parts of what the President is attempting to do for the people of this country.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... that's all on you (and one other upstream in this thread.)
Okay-Bye! Have a nice day!
Autumn
(45,057 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Still splitting hairs and fighting those strawmen? That cracks me up! What a trip! Enjoy!
Autumn
(45,057 posts)You can think whatever it is that pops into your mind when you see what someone else says. Other people will think of other meanings.
Language. Enjoy!
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Nice try, Autumn. I win again!
Autumn
(45,057 posts)Nice try, Jackie. You automatically went to where your mind led you. I went where my mind led me.
How exciting! What did you win?? A teddy bear... a leaf blower to clean out the gutter???
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Autumn
(45,057 posts)Now I'm just crushed. FYI crushed is a word that can mean 2 different things too.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Nine as a transitive verb
One as an archaic verb "drink" (that's my favorite)
Four as an intransitive verb
Five as a noun
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)Yet here you are telling Jackie what she is thinking. Hm.
Spock knew. The Vulcan Mind Meld.
Autumn
(45,057 posts)Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)how would you pressure Manchin? It is not possible.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)And of course we can pressure Manchin. Some combination of bribes (e.g. the cushy job for his wife), Kompromat (e.g. his daughter's pharma corruption), and political pressure (e.g. show up and lobby his voters to tell him to help them instead of his donors).
All of the above can be ramped up.
George II
(67,782 posts)You can look it up:
https://www.congress.gov/roll-call-votes
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)That's very interesting.
George II
(67,782 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Beastly Boy
(9,313 posts)jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)Pretty sure Bernie Sanders hasn't been the guy threatening to hold every piece of Joe Biden's agenda hostage.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)not fooled
(5,801 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,325 posts)All those years of bUt hEs noT a DemOCrat! and look who is fully supporting President Bidens agenda and who isnt supporting President Bidens agenda.
George II
(67,782 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)He is blocking the votes, which is the same as voting against Biden's agenda.
George II
(67,782 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Beastly Boy
(9,313 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....than Sanders has in 2020.
SunImp
(2,224 posts)AZSkiffyGeek
(11,008 posts)When Manchin is the deciding vote against a Biden bill, I'll gladly eat crow. Until then, the people complaining about him need to educate themselves on his real voting record and not the boogeyman they've created to bash here.
Voltaire2
(13,015 posts)why would we do that?
really odd. Or maybe there is something else going on besides nominal party affiliation?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... decision-making independence as many like to believe.
The "United States Senate Committee on the Budget" should not be confused with the Finance Committee and the Appropriations Committee, both of which have different jurisdictions: The Finance Committee is analogous to the Ways and Means Committee in the House of Representatives; it has legislative jurisdiction in the areas of taxes, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and some other entitlements. The Appropriations Committee has legislative jurisdiction over appropriations bills, which provide funding for government programs.
While the budget resolution prepared by the Budget Committee sets out a broad blueprint for the Congress with respect to the total levels of revenues and spending for the government as a whole, these other Committees prepare bills for specific tax and spending policies.
SunImp
(2,224 posts)Beastly Boy
(9,313 posts)And Bernie gets all the credit for us being in the majority... why?
SunImp
(2,224 posts)You all bring up Manchin or Sinema being the ones who gives us the majority in the senate just about every damn single time there is an issue. So why not give Bernie some credit for helping us too this time?
Beastly Boy
(9,313 posts)an unfortunate fact.
But fair enough, I will take your post as stating an unfortunate fact as well.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)which Manchin is currently reliably blocking.
I'll take actions over labels, personally.
Beastly Boy
(9,313 posts)And Manchin had.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/
Do you know something about Bernie's future plans that he is keeping secret?
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)Bernie is, and Manchin has repeatedly, publicly stated that he isn't.
They won't hold the votes until they know the votes are there, and right now they know they're not. And that's due to Manchin, not Bernie.
Whatever other past you're talking about, I'm not discussing because I don't find it relevant.
Beastly Boy
(9,313 posts)it allows you to compare Bernie's record to that of Manchin. Not what they stated, but how they voted. It is sad that you will only consider their most recent public statements and disregard their respective long-standing voting records. This suggests that you find talk more relevant than action. That's unfortunate.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)I've never seen anyone put it quite like that here.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Manchin's a Democrat.
Bernie's a Democrat for about 15 minutes once every 4 years.
Sid
Cha
(297,154 posts)mean "Republicans" he should say so.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Cha
(297,154 posts)gets that from?
Who the hell is "catering to republicans/AKA/Magat Fascists?
Escurumbele
(3,386 posts)will be, republicans will never support infrastructure or any Democratic efforts to do things right.
Bernie is right, stop giving chances to republicans because the outcome is well known...If you don't call that catering tell us what is?
We need to move forward, forcefully if necessary, because that is how republicans did with the Tax Cuts, judges, and everything else they wanted to do.
Yes, Joe Manchin is a problem and they need to figure out what to do with him, but in the mean time, move forward.
notinkansas
(1,096 posts)I certainly hope he doesn't.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)It serves no good purpose for anyone to make these types of insinuations that Democrats or Biden are weak and "catering to" Republicans. That's absolute nonsense.
Maxheader
(4,372 posts)without being aggressive. Considering the tea
party took over at midterms...hint, hint....
George II
(67,782 posts)Cha
(297,154 posts)doesn't need any "warnings"!
Beastly Boy
(9,313 posts)As he goes forward, he is giving an opportunity to the opposition to contribute. Because... democracy! As a fundamental principle, democracy requires people in charge to waste time on little things like that. This is not hard to understand, and Biden gets it.
And if the opposition doesn't take this opportunity, well... just look at Biden's record so far.
On edit: Just noticed that the Rawstory article was reprinted from Common Dreams. That explains a lot.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)is wet kind of statement. We don't have 50 votes as Sen. Sanders knows full well so one wonders what is the point of this statement?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... because it's NOT TRUE! It serves no good purpose. It's right up there with other disparaging accusations and insults such as "Coastal Elites". Why do it? Why say it? Who benefits? Why would anyone do or say things that only create or amplify division and distrust? It certainly doesn't promote unity or confidence, instead it suggests that the Democrats are weak and incompetent... and THAT IS ALSO NOT TRUE!! Things like this weaken divide and weaken us. Anything that weakens our party only serves to Benefit the GOP (and Russia, and China).
God Bless America. God Bless the Democratic Party.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)before a midterm.
Escurumbele
(3,386 posts)giving republicans a chance for them to come up with points to discuss but we all know that is bull, all that republicans are going to do is stall, burn time to make sure nothing gets done.
I believe I know where Bernie is coming from, we all know republican's intentions, so why become part of the show? Just move forward.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)holding up any bills...we don't have 50 votes. Now Sanders knows this so what is the point of this comment?
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(15,585 posts)1) Biden and Schumer announce that Manchin and Sinema are in charge of bipartisan outreach, and responsible for generating 10 Republican senate votes on some version of both infrastructure and voting rights bills- these bipartisan supported drafts would become the opening negotiating point between the parties.
2) give them a deadline for obtaining these Republican votes- end of May for infrastructure, end of July for voting rights.
3) if the deadline passes and Republicans arent on board with some version of the bills, and arent negotiating in good faith, then Schumer moves to reconciliation for infrastructure, and executes the nuclear option to kill/modify the filibuster to pass HR1 as currently written. As Republicans have been given the opportunity for bipartisan cooperation and input, Manchin and Sinema will be expected to support both votes for reconciliation and the rule change to pass HR 1.
4) If Manchin and Sinema dont vote to move these bills forward, and continue to obstruct, they will return to their home states for the August recess to find the streets filled with vaccinated constituents demanding action on Bidens jobs bill and on voting rights. In addition, billboards and media ads will demand that Manchin and Sinema support these bills. Before adjourning, Schumer warns Manchin and Sinema of the consequences if they dont vote to support these bills, as written, upon their return to DC after Labor Day, which will be:
5) if, after all this, Manchin and Sinema still refuse to support passing the infrastructure bill through reconciliation and changing to filibuster rules to allow HR1 to pass by simple majority, then Schumer strips them of all committee assignments, including Manchins chairman position, leaving them as members of the Steve King/MTG club. Their assignments would be reinstated once they vote to support the bills. If, by The end of September, they still dont support the bills, then Jamie Harrison informs them both that they will receive no more campign funds from the DNC moving forward.
The stakes are too high for the future of the Democratic Party and for American democracy to cater to these two any longer. If they value their careers, they will comply. Switching parties is not a viable option, unless they both plan to retire from the senate in 2024.
Note to those who oppose my concrete suggestion:
What is your concrete suggestion on how Dems should move forward on Bidens jobs bill and voting rights?
(Note: work hard to flip more senate seats to blue in 2022 to make Manchin and Sinema irrelevant or make DC and Puerto Rico states so the new senators would make Manchin and Sinema irrelevant are both unrealistic, unviable options, since, without out passage of HR1, Dems lose their majorities for a decade or more, and the GOP install their candidate as president in 2024, regardless of the will of the people. So, what else you got?)
muriel_volestrangler
(101,307 posts)have said in public.
speak easy
(9,239 posts)whether it is Manchin or Sanders.
Autumn
(45,057 posts)Silent3
(15,204 posts)We can ignore the Republicans all we like, but then we have to pay close attention to Joe Manchin, who himself won't stop paying attention to the Republicans.
Celerity
(43,328 posts)actions, and to repeal the 2 mini-nuke exceptions.
aggiesal
(8,911 posts)Why repeat the ACA vote where the (R)'s demanded and got a watered down ACA bill? Then not a single (R) voted for the bill they had crafted.
Move without (R)'s, it's exactly what they would do.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)are not voting for it.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)it had to be done in reconciliation which has problems...also Lieberman single handedly stopped the lowering of Medicare age to 55 via a public option. I suggest you review the history of the ACA. It is a miracle it passed. And watered down or not it convinced a majority of people that health care is a right and help us win many elections after 14.
The ACA also saved millions of lives. And it seems to me that Sen. Sander's comments could cause a 2010 type backlash from progressive voters who might stay home and cause us to lose the house as we did back then. At that point, it is game over. We should all be on board with the Biden agenda which will require compromise if not with the GOP than within our own caucus and not releasing controversial statements to the media in order to garner attention.
aggiesal
(8,911 posts)just the (R) tactics to water it down, then not vote for it.
We can't repeat that strategy.
Texin
(2,595 posts)as a cudgel in the debates involving the ACA. Part of the reason the bill was "watered down" was because of that wedge issue rearing its ugly head in the healthcare fight.
Jay25
(417 posts)struck down in court or the Senate does not pass a voting rights bill. These republican governors and state lawmakers are not playing around, they have openly devised hundreds of laws to guarantee their victories, while shutting out Democrats. If these voter suppression laws were in place during the 2020 elections, Trump would still be in office and republicans would control Congress.
Hopefully the courts will come through, if not, Sinema and Manchin hold our democracy in their hands.
ancianita
(36,023 posts)He can take that to Manchin and whip him in line on the infrastructure vote.
Pelosi has given Repubs until May to get their final word into the bill, when the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, and the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee hope to pass the bill out of their committees.
To me the idea shouldn't be labeled bipartisanship. It should be labeled 'reaching common ground', since it really is about the common ground of the nation.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,563 posts)How about 30 years ago? I sincerely doubt that there is sufficient time in this transitional period to even slow it down.
aocommunalpunch
(4,236 posts)They wont vote for it. Start every conversation with this truth. Especially with Democratic obstructionists. Make them deal with this fact first. They wont, but they should.
bdamomma
(63,837 posts)who are in the way, just push them to the side. Those who obstruct do not have a plan/s, they have proved it for decades.
FlyingPiggy
(3,383 posts)W_HAMILTON
(7,862 posts)Celerity
(43,328 posts)"President Obama is absolutely right," Sanders said in a statement. "It is an outrage that modern-day poll taxes, gerrymandering, I.D. requirements, and other forms of voter suppression still exist today."
He added: "We must pass a comprehensive agenda to guarantee the rights and dignity of everyone in this country. And that means, among other things, reauthorizing and expanding the Voting Rights Act, for which Congressman John Lewis put his life on the line."
The 3 who are so far definite No's in terms of binning it completely are Manchin, Sinema, and Feinstein (Feinstein may be open to some modifications).
W_HAMILTON
(7,862 posts)Sanders has similarly equivocated on the subject before. I'm sure there are some in the Senate that would agree with the quoted comments and yet still not vote to abolish the filibuster.
I looked a little more into it and I did find this from Sanders's own website: https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/sanders-supports-ending-filibuster/
It is basically just the same comments quoted in your article, but the headline is "Sanders Supports Ending Filibuster," which is the type of unambiguous statement I would like to see the Senator make himself, given that he was taken to task during the primaries for his reluctance to go as far as other candidates and outright support abolishing the filibuster entirely.
Celerity
(43,328 posts)and, atm, Feinstein. Perhaps there are others too, based off past statements.
his own website is pretty clear to me
W_HAMILTON
(7,862 posts)And having others take flak because he isn't pressed on these issues the same way others are.
I was the one that pointed out the headline that you screenshotted, which is a step further than what your article posted -- i.e., it says on his website that he is willing to abolish the filibuster -- but I would prefer to hear it from his own mouth given that he has been squirrely on this same issue before.
Once again, if he's truly willing to vote to abolish the filibuster now, it shouldn't be such a big deal to just come out and say that.
Celerity
(43,328 posts)going all Manchin/Sinema over the filibuster at this point. We are all well past that point now save for those 2 and also Feinstein (and she has signalled she is open to modifications).
You said
Is March 18th, 2021 good enough for you?
Link to tweet
Bernie Sanders
@BernieSanders
12:30 AM · Mar 18, 2021
I happen to think that at the end of the day, to deliver for working people, we have got to end the filibuster.
betsuni
(25,472 posts)Skittles
(153,150 posts)FUCK republicans, they work only for their sick cult base