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Mon Apr 12, 2021, 08:13 AM

Sanders warns Dems not to waste time catering to obstructionist GOP

Sen. Bernie Sanders, chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, said Saturday that amid the immediate emergencies of climate change, Covid-19, mass unemployment, and homelessness, congressional Democrats cannot afford to dampen their infrastructure ambitions in the hopes of winning support from obstructionist Republicans.

"The time is now to go forward," Sanders (IVt.) told the Washington Post. "This country faces enormous crises that have got to be addressed right now. When you have half a million people who are homeless, I'm not going to slow down."

"This country faces enormous crises that have got to be addressed right now. When you have half a million people who are homeless, I'm not going to slow down."

"When the scientists tell us we have five or six years before there will be irreparable damage done because of climate change," the Vermont senator added, "I'm not going to slow down."

SOURCE: https://www.rawstory.com/sanders-warns-dems-not-to-waste-time-catering-to-obstructionist-gop/

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Reply Sanders warns Dems not to waste time catering to obstructionist GOP (Original post)
BigBearJohn Apr 12 OP
NurseJackie Apr 12 #1
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lagomorph777 Apr 12 #8
NurseJackie Apr 12 #9
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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 08:19 AM

1. That's ridiculous, Bernie. Stop it! Democrats are not "catering to" Republicans.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 09:00 AM

6. Exactly.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 09:03 AM

8. We're catering to Joe Manchin.

Same thing.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 09:05 AM

9. Nobody is catering to Joe Manchin. Joe Manchin is not a Republican, he's a Democrat.

Embrace it... or get over it and move on. He's one of ours. Count your blessings.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 09:08 AM

10. With friends like Manchin, who needs enemas?

He's reaming the country.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #10)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 09:26 AM

11. Anal-sex jokes/insinuations/lies about a Democrat... how charming.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #11)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 09:27 AM

13. Thanks!



Oh - which part is the lie?

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #13)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 09:33 AM

15. All of it.



Embrace Manchin. Count your blessings. Learn to love him. Accept reality. Time to move on.

He's a Democrat. He's one of ours. Without him, the Republicans have the majority.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #15)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 10:14 AM

24. Embrace Manchin?

How about embrace Bernie? How about letting go of your hatred of him for having the audacity to have challenged Hillary. Every post about Bernie Sanders has some hate filled crap from you. Give it a rest. He is much more of a Democrat than the miserable POS Manchin.

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Response to Gary 50 (Reply #24)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 10:18 AM

29. Lulz.

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Response to Gary 50 (Reply #24)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 10:24 AM

33. Took the words right out of my mouth.

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Response to Gary 50 (Reply #24)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 10:44 AM

40. Why are you bringing up the 2016 primary FIVE years later? And that's a mighty offensive attack.

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Response to Gary 50 (Reply #24)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 10:50 AM

43. That he is.

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Response to Gary 50 (Reply #24)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 10:58 AM

47. Thank you......

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Response to Gary 50 (Reply #24)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 11:28 AM

53. Are you suggesting that Bernie is not sufficiently embraced by the Democrats?

Please! He is the ONLY Independent to chair a committee in the current Senate which is controlled by the Democrats. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Senate_committees). He has never in his political career held as much power in his long legislative career as he is in this current DEMOCRATIC Congress. If Bernie is embraced any tighter, it might cut off his blood circulation!

And let's see how much more of a Democrat Bernie is compared to Manchin, shall we?

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/

Oh my! this is embarrassing, isn't it? Not even close! Manchin beats him hands down! So much for that oft repeated myths of Bernie being more of a Democrat and Manchin being a DINO.

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Response to Beastly Boy (Reply #53)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 03:03 PM

61. +1

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Response to Beastly Boy (Reply #53)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 05:38 PM

66. In the 116th Congress, only one Democratic Senator voted with trump more than Sanders....

Below are the ratings of all Democrats >0 (all the others are less than 0). Manchin's score is -54.1, third lowest of ALL Senators.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #15)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 05:52 PM

68. Lulz.

I'd embrace him if I wasn’t worried about finding a knife in my back afterwards.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #11)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 10:18 AM

28. Enemas are anal sex? I thought it was a medical procedure.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #28)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 05:06 PM

64. People wind up revealing so much...

about their personal life on these threads.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 04:15 PM

88. Enemas are not anal sex.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #88)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 04:28 PM

89. Nobody said it was.

Enemas are not anal sex.

Acutally, Autumn, nobody said it was.

Here... maybe this will help to enlighten:

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=reaming



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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #89)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 05:19 PM

90. Ah yeah, you did.

What part of that post is an anal-sex jokes/insinuations/lies about Manchin?

With friends like Manchin, who needs enemas?

He's reaming the country.


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NurseJackie (38,678 posts)

11. Anal-sex jokes/insinuations/lies about a Democrat... how charming.

Here... Jackie maybe this will help to enlighten:

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/insinuate

verb (used with object), in·sin·u·at·ed, in·sin·u·at·ing.
to suggest or hint slyly:
He insinuated that they were lying.
to instill or infuse subtly or artfully, as into the mind:
to insinuate doubts through propaganda.
to bring or introduce into a position or relation by indirect or artful methods:
to insinuate oneself into favor.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ ream someone out
ream out
1. To carve, hollow, or smooth out the inside of something with a reamer (a rotary cutting tool) or a similar implement. A noun or pronoun can be used between "ream" and "out."
He reamed out the holes on the frame so that the larger pins of the new panel would fit properly.
2. To aggressively and angrily rebuke, criticize, or chastise someone, especially for some mistake or wrongdoing. A noun or pronoun can be used between "ream" and "out."
I'm going to quit my job—I'm so sick of irate customers coming in and reaming me out for something I have no control over.
The boss reamed out the entire team for screwing up the accounts.
See also: out, ream

Not everything is about sex. Sometimes words have different meanings.

He is indeed trying to hollow out , cut out parts of what the President is attempting to do for the people of this country.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #90)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 05:56 PM

91. No, I never said anything about enemas being "anal sex"...

... that's all on you (and one other upstream in this thread.)



Not everything is about sex. Sometimes words have different meanings.
I'm not as stupid as... well, whatever it is you take me for. I can assure you, Autumn, that when someone mentions "enemas" and "reaming" in the same post, that person has simply found a clever way to insinuate their believe that Manchin is is "fucking us up the ass" or "fucking the country" or "fucking Biden" --- Charming, eh?

He is indeed trying to hollow out , cut out parts of what the President is attempting to do for the people of this country.
LOL! Nice try. I'm not falling for it. --- The great care with which you're splitting those hairs and parsing those words indicates a position of weakness in whatever argument you're tying to make.



Okay-Bye! Have a nice day!

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #91)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 06:00 PM

92. Your words are there, you were the one who made the accusation. Okay-Bye!

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Response to Autumn (Reply #92)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 06:10 PM

93. And you're the one who tried to correct me on something I never said.

Still splitting hairs and fighting those strawmen? That cracks me up! What a trip! Enjoy!





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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #93)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 06:14 PM

94. I didn't correct you, I just pointed out that words have other meanings than what you went with.

You can think whatever it is that pops into your mind when you see what someone else says. Other people will think of other meanings.

Language. Enjoy!

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Response to Autumn (Reply #94)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 06:18 PM

95. But those meanings had nothing to do with the context and insinuation that was being made.

Nice try, Autumn. I win again!

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #95)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 06:24 PM

96. You don't know what another poster is thinking Jackie, unless you are sharing a mind.

Nice try, Jackie. You automatically went to where your mind led you. I went where my mind led me.

How exciting! What did you win?? A teddy bear... a leaf blower to clean out the gutter???

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Response to Autumn (Reply #96)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 06:44 PM

97. Keep digging! 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤪



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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #97)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 06:51 PM

98. So you really didn't mean your "Okay-Bye! Have a nice day!"

Now I'm just crushed. FYI crushed is a word that can mean 2 different things too.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #98)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 07:33 PM

101. 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤪

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Response to Autumn (Reply #98)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 09:04 PM

103. Actually crushed/crush/crushing means quite a few things:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/crush

Nine as a transitive verb
One as an archaic verb "drink" (that's my favorite)
Four as an intransitive verb
Five as a noun


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Response to Autumn (Reply #96)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 11:51 PM

104. Yet here you are...

You don't know what another poster is thinking Jackie, unless you are sharing a mind.


Yet here you are telling Jackie what she is thinking. Hm.

Spock knew. The Vulcan Mind Meld.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #104)

Wed Apr 14, 2021, 09:03 AM

105. You do know that star trek was pretend?

Try to catch up on the conversation. I don't have to read, or share Jackie's mind. Her post was very clear.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #105)

Wed Apr 14, 2021, 04:56 PM

107. Lulz

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 09:30 AM

14. Joe Manchin is a Democrat. Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat. That is factual...and exactly

how would you pressure Manchin? It is not possible.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #14)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 09:34 AM

16. Sanders votes with Dems. Manchin, not so much.

And of course we can pressure Manchin. Some combination of bribes (e.g. the cushy job for his wife), Kompromat (e.g. his daughter's pharma corruption), and political pressure (e.g. show up and lobby his voters to tell him to help them instead of his donors).

All of the above can be ramped up.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #16)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 10:49 AM

42. Since you bashed him, in 2020 Joe Manchin voted with the Democrats more than Sanders did......

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Response to George II (Reply #42)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 11:09 AM

50. What? "...in 2020 Joe Manchin voted with the Democrats more than Sanders did..." Really?

That's very interesting.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #50)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 11:12 AM

51. It's all in the Roll Call vote site here:

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Response to George II (Reply #51)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 11:13 AM

52. Thanks for letting us know!

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #52)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 11:37 AM

56. Yes, people like to toss out that accusation but in fact it's totally false.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #14)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 09:34 AM

17. Except Bernie Sanders acts like a Democrat and Joe Manchin doesn't

Pretty sure Bernie Sanders hasn't been the guy threatening to hold every piece of Joe Biden's agenda hostage.

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #17)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 09:34 AM

18. Exactly!

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #17)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 10:06 AM

23. ++++++++++++++++++++

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #17)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 10:23 AM

32. Lol. Right?

All those years of “bUt hE’s noT a DemOCrat!” and look who is fully supporting President Biden’s agenda and who isn’t supporting President Biden’s agenda.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #32)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 10:52 AM

44. When has Manchin voted against President Biden's agenda?

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Response to George II (Reply #44)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 10:54 AM

45. He is opposing the voting rights bill and the infrastructure bill.

He is blocking the votes, which is the same as voting against Biden's agenda.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #45)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 10:57 AM

46. In other words, he hasn't.

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Response to George II (Reply #46)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 10:58 AM

48. In other words, semantic tricks can't hide the truth. He is blocking the agenda.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #48)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 11:00 AM

49. For which votes did he vote against Democrats.

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #17)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 11:38 AM

57. That is just the opposite of what the facts suggest

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Response to Beastly Boy (Reply #57)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 05:48 PM

67. That pretty much confirms what I said earlier here, Manchin votes with Democrats MUCH more....

....than Sanders has in 2020.

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Response to Beastly Boy (Reply #57)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 05:56 PM

69. I wonder what that will look like in a full year of a Biden Presidency

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Response to SunImp (Reply #69)

Wed Apr 14, 2021, 04:50 PM

106. Probably the same as it does now

When Manchin is the deciding vote against a Biden bill, I'll gladly eat crow. Until then, the people complaining about him need to educate themselves on his real voting record and not the boogeyman they've created to bash here.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #14)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 02:10 PM

60. wow we put a non-Democrat in as chair of the senate budget committee?

why would we do that?

really odd. Or maybe there is something else going on besides nominal party affiliation?

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #60)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 07:25 AM

84. A consolation prize? And the "chair of the senate budget committee" doesn't have as much...

... decision-making independence as many like to believe.

The "United States Senate Committee on the Budget" should not be confused with the Finance Committee and the Appropriations Committee, both of which have different jurisdictions: The Finance Committee is analogous to the Ways and Means Committee in the House of Representatives; it has legislative jurisdiction in the areas of taxes, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and some other entitlements. The Appropriations Committee has legislative jurisdiction over appropriations bills, which provide funding for government programs.

While the budget resolution prepared by the Budget Committee sets out a broad blueprint for the Congress with respect to the total levels of revenues and spending for the government as a whole, these other Committees prepare bills for specific tax and spending policies.

really odd.
Not really. I think Schumer was being very strategic in his thinking.

Or maybe there is something else going on besides nominal party affiliation?
I agree. But it's probably not what people choose to believe.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #14)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 05:57 PM

70. Without Bernie would we be in a Majority right now?

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Response to SunImp (Reply #70)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 06:10 PM

72. The same can be said about Angus King, 48 other senators, and Kamala too.

And Bernie gets all the credit for us being in the majority... why?

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Response to Beastly Boy (Reply #72)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 06:36 PM

79. This thread isn't about Vice Pres Kamala and the other senators

You all bring up Manchin or Sinema being the ones who gives us the majority in the senate just about every damn single time there is an issue. So why not give Bernie some credit for helping us too this time?

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Response to SunImp (Reply #79)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 07:11 PM

82. Actually, "we all" bring up Manchin and Sinema not to give them credit for the majority but to state

an unfortunate fact.

But fair enough, I will take your post as stating an unfortunate fact as well.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #14)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 06:12 PM

73. Bernie Sanders will reliably vote for Democratic legislation,

which Manchin is currently reliably blocking.

I'll take actions over labels, personally.

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Response to Crunchy Frog (Reply #73)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 06:20 PM

74. He hadn't in the past.

And Manchin had.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/

Do you know something about Bernie's future plans that he is keeping secret?

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Response to Beastly Boy (Reply #74)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 06:38 PM

80. What, support Biden's legislative agenda?

Bernie is, and Manchin has repeatedly, publicly stated that he isn't.

They won't hold the votes until they know the votes are there, and right now they know they're not. And that's due to Manchin, not Bernie.

Whatever other past you're talking about, I'm not discussing because I don't find it relevant.

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Response to Crunchy Frog (Reply #80)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 07:27 PM

83. You did open the link I provided, didn't you?

it allows you to compare Bernie's record to that of Manchin. Not what they stated, but how they voted. It is sad that you will only consider their most recent public statements and disregard their respective long-standing voting records. This suggests that you find talk more relevant than action. That's unfortunate.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 05:07 PM

65. Manchin's a Democrat. Bernie isn't...nt

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #65)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 06:41 PM

81. Gosh what an original post.

I've never seen anyone put it quite like that here.

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Response to Crunchy Frog (Reply #81)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 10:28 PM

110. Sorry - I should clarify...

Manchin's a Democrat.

Bernie's a Democrat for about 15 minutes once every 4 years.

Sid

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 06:36 PM

78. Sanders said " catering to Republicans".. If he didn't

mean "Republicans" he should say so.

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Response to Cha (Reply #78)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 07:27 AM

85. I take him at his word. He meant what he said.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #85)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 09:10 AM

87. And, I'd like to know where he

gets that from?

Who the hell is "catering to republicans/AKA/Magat Fascists?

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 09:36 AM

19. What??? Maybe not catering but giving them too many chances when we know what the outcome

will be, republicans will never support infrastructure or any Democratic efforts to do things right.

Bernie is right, stop giving chances to republicans because the outcome is well known...If you don't call that catering tell us what is?

We need to move forward, forcefully if necessary, because that is how republicans did with the Tax Cuts, judges, and everything else they wanted to do.

Yes, Joe Manchin is a problem and they need to figure out what to do with him, but in the mean time, move forward.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 10:23 AM

31. Stop it?

I certainly hope he doesn't.

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Response to notinkansas (Reply #31)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 10:26 AM

36. I guess I just have higher standards. He can do better... and he should.

It serves no good purpose for anyone to make these types of insinuations that Democrats or Biden are weak and "catering to" Republicans. That's absolute nonsense.

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 08:22 AM

2. Obama would never have gotten aca through,


without being aggressive. Considering the tea

party took over at midterms...hint, hint....

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 08:27 AM

3. Democrats ARE moving forward on this. Did he not see Biden's announcement on infrastructure?

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Response to George II (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 06:09 PM

71. Musta missed it! Yeah, President Biden is Moving Forward.. he

doesn't need any "warnings"!

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 08:48 AM

4. Biden doesn't cater. He is going forward.

As he goes forward, he is giving an opportunity to the opposition to contribute. Because... democracy! As a fundamental principle, democracy requires people in charge to waste time on little things like that. This is not hard to understand, and Biden gets it.

And if the opposition doesn't take this opportunity, well... just look at Biden's record so far.

On edit: Just noticed that the Rawstory article was reprinted from Common Dreams. That explains a lot.

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 08:53 AM

5. What is his concrete suggestion then for getting conservadems on board? This is a water

is wet kind of statement. We don't have 50 votes as Sen. Sanders knows full well so one wonders what is the point of this statement?

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 09:03 AM

7. Your observations are astute. It's a shitty thing to accuse Democrats of...

... because it's NOT TRUE! It serves no good purpose. It's right up there with other disparaging accusations and insults such as "Coastal Elites". Why do it? Why say it? Who benefits? Why would anyone do or say things that only create or amplify division and distrust? It certainly doesn't promote unity or confidence, instead it suggests that the Democrats are weak and incompetent... and THAT IS ALSO NOT TRUE!! Things like this weaken divide and weaken us. Anything that weakens our party only serves to Benefit the GOP (and Russia, and China).

God Bless America. God Bless the Democratic Party.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 09:27 AM

12. Sanders is an Independent by choice...very divisive rhetoric

before a midterm.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #12)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 09:39 AM

20. There is nothing divisive about his comments, we all want to see results and I understand Biden

giving republicans a chance for them to come up with points to discuss but we all know that is bull, all that republicans are going to do is stall, burn time to make sure nothing gets done.

I believe I know where Bernie is coming from, we all know republican's intentions, so why become part of the show? Just move forward.

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Response to Escurumbele (Reply #20)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 10:17 AM

26. Wrong, the comments are divisive. Biden giving the GOP a chance has nothing to do with

holding up any bills...we don't have 50 votes. Now Sanders knows this so what is the point of this comment?

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #26)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 05:00 PM

62. Yeah...



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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 10:25 AM

35. Here's my concrete suggestion:

1) Biden and Schumer announce that Manchin and Sinema are in charge of bipartisan outreach, and responsible for generating 10 Republican senate votes on some version of both infrastructure and voting rights bills- these bipartisan supported drafts would become the opening negotiating point between the parties.

2) give them a deadline for obtaining these Republican votes- end of May for infrastructure, end of July for voting rights.

3) if the deadline passes and Republicans aren’t on board with some version of the bills, and aren’t negotiating in good faith, then Schumer moves to reconciliation for infrastructure, and executes the nuclear option to kill/modify the filibuster to pass HR1 as currently written. As Republicans have been given the opportunity for bipartisan cooperation and input, Manchin and Sinema will be expected to support both votes for reconciliation and the rule change to pass HR 1.

4) If Manchin and Sinema don’t vote to move these bills forward, and continue to obstruct, they will return to their home states for the August recess to find the streets filled with vaccinated constituents demanding action on Biden’s jobs bill and on voting rights. In addition, billboards and media ads will demand that Manchin and Sinema support these bills. Before adjourning, Schumer warns Manchin and Sinema of the consequences if they don’t vote to support these bills, as written, upon their return to DC after Labor Day, which will be:

5) if, after all this, Manchin and Sinema still refuse to support passing the infrastructure bill through reconciliation and changing to filibuster rules to allow HR1 to pass by simple majority, then Schumer strips them of all committee assignments, including Manchin’s chairman position, leaving them as members of the Steve King/MTG club. Their assignments would be reinstated once they vote to support the bills. If, by The end of September, they still don’t support the bills, then Jamie Harrison informs them both that they will receive no more campign funds from the DNC moving forward.

The stakes are too high for the future of the Democratic Party and for American democracy to cater to these two any longer. If they value their careers, they will comply. Switching parties is not a viable option, unless they both plan to retire from the senate in 2024.

Note to those who oppose my concrete suggestion:
What is your concrete suggestion on how Dems should move forward on Biden’s jobs bill and voting rights?
(Note: “work hard to flip more senate seats to blue in 2022 to make Manchin and Sinema irrelevant” or “make DC and Puerto Rico states so the new senators would make Manchin and Sinema irrelevant” are both unrealistic, unviable options, since, without out passage of HR1, Dems lose their majorities for a decade or more, and the GOP install their candidate as president in 2024, regardless of the will of the people. So, what else you got?)

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #35)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 10:49 AM

41. A concrete suggestion better thought out, and more constructive, than anything Manchin or Sinema

have said in public.

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 09:43 AM

21. I am so sick of showboating

whether it is Manchin or Sanders.

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 09:46 AM

22. Exactly. Don't give the pukes the attention. Fuck them and move on to get things done.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #22)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 10:29 AM

37. We've got the second worst problem to the Republicans

We can ignore the Republicans all we like, but then we have to pay close attention to Joe Manchin, who himself won't stop paying attention to the Republicans.

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Response to Silent3 (Reply #37)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 06:25 PM

76. Never forget Sinema as well. she is potentially worse. She wants a 60 vote threshold on ALL Senate

actions, and to repeal the 2 mini-nuke exceptions.

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 10:17 AM

25. Completely agree ...

Why repeat the ACA vote where the (R)'s demanded and got a watered down ACA bill? Then not a single (R) voted for the bill they had crafted.

Move without (R)'s, it's exactly what they would do.

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #25)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 10:18 AM

27. Tell me where the 50 votes are coming from for the legislation in question. Manchin and Sinema

are not voting for it.

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #25)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 10:24 AM

34. We got a 'watered' down bill because we needed 60 votes and didn't have them...thus it

it had to be done in reconciliation which has problems...also Lieberman single handedly stopped the lowering of Medicare age to 55 via a public option. I suggest you review the history of the ACA. It is a miracle it passed. And watered down or not it convinced a majority of people that health care is a right and help us win many elections after 14.

The ACA also saved millions of lives. And it seems to me that Sen. Sander's comments could cause a 2010 type backlash from progressive voters who might stay home and cause us to lose the house as we did back then. At that point, it is game over. We should all be on board with the Biden agenda which will require compromise if not with the GOP than within our own caucus and not releasing controversial statements to the media in order to garner attention.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #34)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 10:34 AM

38. I'm not against the ACA ...

just the (R) tactics to water it down, then not vote for it.

We can't repeat that strategy.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #34)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 10:35 AM

39. And let's not also forget that several Dems who opposed abortion used that

as a cudgel in the debates involving the ACA. Part of the reason the bill was "watered down" was because of that wedge issue rearing its ugly head in the healthcare fight.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #34)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 12:35 PM

59. We are looking at losing the House and Senate if republican voter suppression laws aren't

struck down in court or the Senate does not pass a voting rights bill. These republican governors and state lawmakers are not playing around, they have openly devised hundreds of laws to guarantee their victories, while shutting out Democrats. If these voter suppression laws were in place during the 2020 elections, Trump would still be in office and republicans would control Congress.
Hopefully the courts will come through, if not, Sinema and Manchin hold our democracy in their hands.

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 10:21 AM

30. He should know that Biden's attention to Repubs is to get a few to vote with Dems.

He can take that to Manchin and whip him in line on the infrastructure vote.

Pelosi has given Repubs until May to get their final word into the bill, when the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, and the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee hope to pass the bill out of their committees.

To me the idea shouldn't be labeled bipartisanship. It should be labeled 'reaching common ground', since it really is about the common ground of the nation.

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 11:28 AM

54. "5 or 6 years???"

How about 30 years ago? I sincerely doubt that there is sufficient time in this transitional period to even slow it down.

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 11:41 AM

58. It doesn't matter what you give or don't give them.

They won’t vote for it. Start every conversation with this truth. Especially with Democratic obstructionists. Make them deal with this fact first. They won’t, but they should.

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 05:03 PM

63. those

who are in the way, just push them to the side. Those who obstruct do not have a plan/s, they have proved it for decades.

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 06:21 PM

75. I would agree while heartedly w Bernie

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Mon Apr 12, 2021, 06:32 PM

77. Has Sanders said if he is willing to vote to abolish the filibuster yet?

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #77)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 07:04 PM

99. 07/30/20 - Sanders calls for the end of the filibuster following Obama's remarks

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/509878-sanders-calls-for-the-end-of-the-filibuster-following-obamas-remarks

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) expressed his support for axing the Senate filibuster on Thursday, after former President Obama called the legislative tactic a "Jim Crow relic" during his eulogy for civil rights icon Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.) in Atlanta.

"President Obama is absolutely right," Sanders said in a statement. "It is an outrage that modern-day poll taxes, gerrymandering, I.D. requirements, and other forms of voter suppression still exist today."

He added: "We must pass a comprehensive agenda to guarantee the rights and dignity of everyone in this country. And that means, among other things, reauthorizing and expanding the Voting Rights Act, for which Congressman John Lewis put his life on the line."



The 3 who are so far definite No's in terms of binning it completely are Manchin, Sinema, and Feinstein (Feinstein may be open to some modifications).

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Response to Celerity (Reply #99)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 07:13 PM

100. I didn't get that from the article.

Sanders has similarly equivocated on the subject before. I'm sure there are some in the Senate that would agree with the quoted comments and yet still not vote to abolish the filibuster.

I looked a little more into it and I did find this from Sanders's own website: https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/sanders-supports-ending-filibuster/

It is basically just the same comments quoted in your article, but the headline is "Sanders Supports Ending Filibuster," which is the type of unambiguous statement I would like to see the Senator make himself, given that he was taken to task during the primaries for his reluctance to go as far as other candidates and outright support abolishing the filibuster entirely.

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #100)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 07:38 PM

102. Sanders is not one of those we need to worry about on the subject, that would be Manchin, Sinema,

and, atm, Feinstein. Perhaps there are others too, based off past statements.

his own website is pretty clear to me


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Response to Celerity (Reply #102)

Wed Apr 14, 2021, 05:01 PM

108. He is, because he's had a history of hiding behind such issues.

And having others take flak because he isn't pressed on these issues the same way others are.

I was the one that pointed out the headline that you screenshotted, which is a step further than what your article posted -- i.e., it says on his website that he is willing to abolish the filibuster -- but I would prefer to hear it from his own mouth given that he has been squirrely on this same issue before.

Once again, if he's truly willing to vote to abolish the filibuster now, it shouldn't be such a big deal to just come out and say that.

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #108)

Wed Apr 14, 2021, 06:38 PM

109. There is basically zero chance Sanders is going to block legislation he desperately wants passed by

going all Manchin/Sinema over the filibuster at this point. We are all well past that point now save for those 2 and also Feinstein (and she has signalled she is open to modifications).

You said

Once again, if he's truly willing to vote to abolish the filibuster now, it shouldn't be such a big deal to just come out and say that.


Is March 18th, 2021 good enough for you?





Bernie Sanders
@BernieSanders
12:30 AM · Mar 18, 2021
I happen to think that at the end of the day, to deliver for working people, we have got to end the filibuster.


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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 07:32 AM

86. What is he talking about?

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Response to BigBearJohn (Original post)

Fri Apr 16, 2021, 10:31 PM

111. hopefully Biden learned from watching Obama waste his time trying to work with them

FUCK republicans, they work only for their sick cult base

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