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Tue Apr 13, 2021, 01:48 PM

Something that has bothered me since watching Richard Engel's show on the Capitol insurrection

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One of the things that has bothered me (outside of the fact we had an attempted coup and justice has been slow IMO) is how few cops there were. I know that it has been reported that there was not enough, but I still thought they had 2,000 officers. While I can understand that there was not enough to defend the perimeter, I would think they would have been able to defend the choke/access points much better than what they did (and I am not trying to take away from those that did try to fight the insurrectionist/traitors - it just seems there was a lack of support).

Anyone else have any thoughts?

ADDED: also, what about the other 3 insurrectionists that were killed. I have not heard as much about the circumstances that they were killed (ie were they armed and/or did they get too close to Pence/Schumer/Pelosi)

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Reply Something that has bothered me since watching Richard Engel's show on the Capitol insurrection (Original post)
TheRealNorth Apr 2021 OP
Treefrog Apr 2021 #1
TheRealNorth Apr 2021 #2
Ilsa Apr 2021 #13
Nictuku Apr 2021 #3
WhiteTara Apr 2021 #6
Beaverhausen Apr 2021 #12
WhiteTara Apr 2021 #16
Hoyt Apr 2021 #4
snowybirdie Apr 2021 #5
magicarpet Apr 2021 #7
2naSalit Apr 2021 #19
brush Apr 2021 #8
Nay Apr 2021 #14
Orangepeel Apr 2021 #18
Arthur_Frain Apr 2021 #9
Mr.Bill Apr 2021 #17
Make7 Apr 2021 #10
csziggy Apr 2021 #11
TheRealNorth Apr 2021 #15

Response to TheRealNorth (Original post)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 01:51 PM

1. I missed it unfortunately. Is there any way to watch it, do you know?

Really wanted to see that.

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Response to Treefrog (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 02:01 PM

2. It looks like its on the NBC app

I don't know if you nees a cable subscription or not though to use that app.

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Response to Treefrog (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 04:06 PM

13. There is a Frontline special on the insurrection tonight:

American Insurrection
Frontline: Season 39, Episode 15
Overview
Today, 10 PM EDT ∑ S39 E15 on PBS (WGTV)

An investigation into violence in America exposes the individuals and ideologies behind a wave of crimes that culminated in the attack on the U.S. Capitol.
Show: Frontline
Air date: April 13, 2021

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Response to TheRealNorth (Original post)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 02:03 PM

3. There is a Frontline 'American Insurrection' airing tomorrow on KQED (pbs)

I don't think this is the same program, but it looked so interesting to me that I set my DVR to record it. It is airing tomorrow on one of our PBS stations in the bay area, at 10:pm (1.5 hours). I don't see Richard Engel's name associated with it. It looks like an in-depth investigation.

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Response to Nictuku (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 02:21 PM

6. 2 different programs

I thought Engel's piece was very weak. Gave lots of excuses.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #6)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 03:49 PM

12. I agree- Engel's show needed to address the delay in any other reinforcements being called in

I had hoped he'd have some new news about that but there was nothing.

I want whoever delayed the national guard and other reinforcements to pay dearly for doing that.

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Response to Beaverhausen (Reply #12)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 04:30 PM

16. I do too. I think that he did us all a disservice.

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Response to TheRealNorth (Original post)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 02:09 PM

4. Seems to me Capitol Police and the Congressional representatives who oversee them messed up.

There should have been enough police to stop people getting up the steps.

Of course, if that had happened we'd not realized just how serious the threat posed by white wing groups and it would happen somewhere else.

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Response to TheRealNorth (Original post)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 02:10 PM

5. They may have 2000 officers

but some were not on duty having worked during the previous night shift, some were assigned to buildings near the actual Capitol, and some might have been on medical leave. The military should have already been there due to threats by the insurrectionists

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Response to TheRealNorth (Original post)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 02:38 PM

7. The whole security issue at the Capitol on 1/6/2021,...

.... was under the control of a trDUMP guy.

The head of the Capitol Police,... was a trDUMP guy.

He controlled scheduling and job assignments.

He controlled any assignment/need for Washington D C Metropolitan Police to work the Capitol as back up.

The National Guard was also intended as a back up to Capitol Police. The DoD Secretary moved all decisions for the deployment of the National Guard up to the higher echelon of the DoD,... one of who was the brother of trDUMP's General Flynn who was just given a presidential pardon.

Needless to say the National Guard was slow to deploy to the Capitol because trDUMP,'s team at the Pentagon would not issue their okay to deploy the National Guard to back up the Capitol Police during the height of the insurrection. These trDUMP cronies were the only ones who
were allowed to deploy the National Guard as per a dictate of trDUMP's Secretary of Defense issued a few days before.

It is like trDUMP intentionally boxed the US Capitol into a very dangerous situation where as he intended to have his goons over power the Capitol Police and have his Fascist goons overwhelmingly over power them by number and strength to annihilate and crush the Capitol Police. so then trDUMP could deny the Capitol Police any form of back up to increase the force or equalize the force trDUMP's goons were inflicting upon the Capitol Police.

The end result and/or intention was for trDUMP's Fascist goons and Nazi Militias to execute a Coup d' tat,... cancel the election of Biden by force and install trDUMP as the new Nazi Emperor.

TrDUMP and his minions fully controlled any/every/all police force that could prevent this Militia Junta/Coup d'tat from happening.

By the skin of our teeth democracy at the end of the day was able to prevail.

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Response to magicarpet (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 04:44 PM

19. THIS!!!

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Response to TheRealNorth (Original post)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 03:20 PM

8. I don't recall three insurrectionists being killed.

Three cops died. One from being killed that day and two from suicides a little later.

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Response to brush (Reply #8)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 04:42 PM

18. one person was shot, one was trampled by the crowd. I think a third had a heart attack

but not sure about the third.

Maybe I' wrong about the second (see post 10)

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Response to TheRealNorth (Original post)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 03:29 PM

9. I don't think the majority of the cops there took this seriously.

I watched it unfold that morning. Cops were bantering with the crowd, even until after it soured. With a few exceptions, I donít think anyone there really expected this to go down the way it did. ďIt canít happen hereĒ, right? Thatís what we were all so sure of, because Iíd heard threats like this every election lately. Never followed through though.

Iím wondering how much the rot within the cops felt the need to keep itís head down? Do the cops follow the ďblue lineĒ rah-rah bullshit even when it becomes obvious that itís going to destroy them too? How blatant is it where we canít see?

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Response to Arthur_Frain (Reply #9)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 04:32 PM

17. I also don't think

they were adequetly trained or equipped for this either.

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Response to TheRealNorth (Original post)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 03:33 PM

10. D.C. medical examiner releases cause of death for four people who died during Capitol riot

Two civilians who died during the violent Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol died of natural causes, and a third succumbed to amphetamine intoxication, according to the D.C. medical examinerís office.

A fourth person, 35-year-old Ashli Babbitt, who was fatally shot by a Capitol police officer inside the Capitol, was struck by a bullet to her front left shoulder, the medical examiner said in a statement.

...

That statement said autopsies concluded that Kevin Greeson, 55, of Athens, Ala., and Benjamin Philips, 50, of Ringtown, Pa., died of natural causes due to cardiovascular disease. The medical examiner ruled that Rosanne Boyland, 34, of Kennesaw, Ga., died of accidental acute amphetamine intoxication.

...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/trump-riot-death-medical-exainer/2021/04/07/53806608-97cf-11eb-a6d0-13d207aadb78_story.html

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Response to TheRealNorth (Original post)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 03:34 PM

11. The other deaths

The woman who was shot while trying to climb through a broken window inside the CapitolAshli Elizabeth Babbitt, a 35-year-old from San Diego,[396][256][397] was fatally shot once in the shoulder by a Capitol Police officer as she attempted to climb through a shattered window in a barricaded door leading into the Speaker's Lobby
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/ashli-babbitt-capitol-shooting/2021/01/07/c28bb0ac-5116-11eb-b96e-0e54447b23a1_story.html


Capitol Rioter Rosanne Boyland Died From Drug Overdose, Not Trampling: M.E.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/capitol-rioter-rosanne-boyland-died-from-acute-amphetamine-intoxication


{Kevin Greeson, 55, of Athens, Alabama} had a history of high blood pressure and suffered a heart attack.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-supporters-who-died-during-capitol-riot-left-online-presence-n1253400


{Benjamin Philips, 50, of Ringtown, Pennsylvania} died that day after suffering what fellow protesters said was a stroke in the nationís capital. Washington police confirmed his death.
https://www.inquirer.com/news/pennsylvania/washington-protest-trump-capitol-pennsylvania-ben-philips-20210107.html



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Response to csziggy (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 13, 2021, 04:29 PM

15. Thanks

Most of the focus has been Officer Brian Sicknick and the traitor Ashley Babbitt that I didn't recall anything on the others.

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