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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI am in a constant struggle with all the electronic crap and "upgrades" that do nothing to improve
my life. Having to buy new printers, phones, hard drives, cloud crap, "life-lock" identity theft protection, phone, internet cable "plans" and contracts? (WTF), passwords in unlimited quantity, spam on phone and internet (despite "no call" registration), etc., etc. It is accelerating and in concert with the other, not insignificant daily issues (mass shootings, rising domestic terrorism, ongoing systemic racism, voter suppression, militarization of police (thanks W for starting that with Iraq war surplus to PD's and returning vets trained to kill becoming cops; sorry personal disdain for the Bush/ Cheney cabal).
NONE of this is improving the quality of our existence. We have a fractured society that is now subject to the propaganda/ misinformation reaching the heavily armed and dis-enfranchised by virtue of the multi media platforms. We can't even agree to wear masks in the face of a global pandemic, let alone agree on the basics like spending on infrastructure, education and the environment. Pitiful. I want my black, 8 pound indestructible rotary phone back (well maybe a "princess" touchtone)..... All done for now.

dchill
(37,479 posts)El Supremo
(20,351 posts)
hunter
(37,933 posts)When you turned the crank all the phones on the line rang.
You identified which neighbor you wanted to call by the pattern of rings. The operator had her own pattern.
It was one big party line. Anyone could pick up and listen.
dchill
(37,479 posts)
SergeStorms
(18,423 posts)Pick up to use the phone and you could hear your neighbor(s) talking to someone else. Now, when I say "neighbor", they could be as much as a mile away. We lived in the country, you see.
Yeah, technology was nice for a little while, but it's gone on entirely too long now. If we could have stopped before cell phones, Facebook, and Twitter, it would have been heavenly. (But mRNA could still be discovered).
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)SergeStorms
(18,423 posts)Remember when conspiracy theorists thought the phone companies were were spying on us, and collecting all of our information? That was even before the evil interwebs. That was back in the 80s. Everyone collects information on us now, but I still think the telephone companies run the world.
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)AncientOfDays
(135 posts)- we had that exact one when I was a kid living on my grandparents farm.
Grandma was real short and could hardly reach it.
Xavier Breath
(3,156 posts)and its inhabitants angrier and its problems worsening by the minute.
There are times when I feel somewhat relived I likely won't be around come mid-century.
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)Xavier Breath
(3,156 posts)or that he was from Boston. Interesting, thanks.
Skittles
(152,107 posts)AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)Why after being on a computer all day, would I want to come home and start over? It maka no sense, kapish?
Skittles
(152,107 posts)because of the nature of my work I have to have more than one! It just sucks keeping up with them AND my laptop at home, and don't even get me started on the HUNDREDS of passwords I have
a kennedy
(28,891 posts)
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I like it for the quick "Hi, I am running 10 minutes late" or "How are you doing, let's connect soon" or sending a photo, things like that. But I absolutely hate having conversations via text.
I am very slow at texting and I just find the interface inconvenient and cumbersome. I would rather email or talk on the phone. When people text me, I find that I put off getting back to them until I am in the mood to respond, which can sometimes be a few days. I am not terribly iPhone oriented anyway, and most people know that about me. They are more likely to get a response if they email me because I can type on a keyboard more quickly than I can text.
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)druidity33
(6,373 posts)i hate it too and avoid it at all costs. But i found that switching my keyboard to Swiftkey made it a little easier for me. It predicts and remembers better and it's almost like a game swiping through the letters to form a word.
As to the OPs main point, i use Macs all the way around and yeah, the updates are coming in fast. Most of them are security and native app updates though and they download themselves, so i'm not bothered.
PatSeg
(45,980 posts)I see people carrying on long conversations via text when it would be faster and easier to just call the other person.
When it comes to technology, there are things that I love and wouldn't want to do without, but others that are just too much. I love my computer, all my digital cameras and photo software programs, online banking and shopping, but smartphones drive me nuts. Watching a group of people sitting around and staring at their phones, instead of talking to one another is very disturbing. That need to be connected at all times cannot be healthy. "Excuse me, I have to take this" is rarely true. Most calls and messages can wait until later, but there is an unnatural urgency to everything these days and in the process, we end up missing what is actually going on right in front of us.
The worst is seeing young children staring at phones. What do most children need a phone for?
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I don't know why people hate the phone so much or feel like you need to answer their text immediately. I rarely look at my phone and I have very clumsy fingers, so texting is very laborious for me. If the answer is complicated, I call them back or email them instead of texting them.
You miss so much by not having that face to face interaction or even hearing the person's voice. I just feel like none of my personality comes through in a text and nor does it feel personal when I receive texts from others. It is my least favorite way to communicate. Don't even get me started on the kids!
PatSeg
(45,980 posts)with texting. Whenever possible I prefer to use a real keyboard. Aside from that, texting still is too impersonal and abrupt.
Add to all this, I don't like talking to stuff. My son loves anything voice activated "Hey Google, what's the weather" or "Hey Google, turn on the lights". I don't mind talking to the dogs or even myself, but not electronics.
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)llmart
(15,090 posts)And that may be just one of the reasons so many people are stressed out, unhappy, depressed, whatever. They think they're communicating or have 800 "friends", but in reality they're alone and miserable despite the constant chirping of their smartphone.
llmart
(15,090 posts)I think there are probably times when it's very convenient and helpful such as meeting someone flying in from another state and you have no idea if they're off the plane yet or where you're meeting. In fact, I actually think that's the only times I've ever used text except for one instance of registering at a pharmacy for a vaccine. I have a pay as you go Tracfone. Works for me. If someone wants to tell me something they can email or call on my landline.
I have a landline. It costs me $12 a month. I have unlimited calling. People can call me on that.
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)but was pretty happy with just my answering machine. The need for instant communication has always escaped me, except for emergency situations, in which case I acknowledge a basic cell phone is handy. One could say, we would have never known what happened to George Floyd (for example) without cell phone video capability. Sigh.
Demsrule86
(67,491 posts)use it at home ...use internet. I still pay for my adult kids...well that is about to end.
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)hunter
(37,933 posts)It will take pictures and video but "cloud" data is expensive. I generally download any photos and video I take to my computers using a USB cable.
I've never exceeded the text limit. Text and voice minutes roll over to the next $100 block of service I buy. I have a huge bank of them, about two years of normal use. $100 is the minimum I have to pay annually.
Sending texts is a bit awkward on a flip phone but I've gotten used to the predictive mode. A few taps of the 0-9 keys usually pulls up with the word I'm looking for.
It works for me, possibly because I'm terse talking on the phone or texting.
My wife has a smart phone and is always sending and receiving texts. She uses some sort of shorthand app to compose texts. She's not tapping on each individual letter when she's composing texts.
Her texts to me can be long. Mine will be like "OK"
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)Rosco T.
(6,496 posts)Unlimited 5G data, no throttling, no caps. Unlimited Texting (no extra plan needed), International access included. 80gb of Hotspot data (no throttling). No contract. Paid 250 for my phone (OnePlus Nord N10 5G)
oh and free Netflix
T-Mobile
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)Rosco T.
(6,496 posts)third OnePlus phone I've had.. you can get it for 250 outright or 12.50/mo for 24 months
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)packman
(16,296 posts)"Our life is frittered away by detail. Simplify, simplify, simplify! I say, let your affairs be as two or three, and not a hundred or a thousand; instead of a million count half a dozen, and keep your accounts on your thumb-nail.
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)You don't often hear reference to him as "David Thoreau".
Walden is my all time favorite book and I read an awful lot and have all my life. It's a "bible" for me and guided me very early on in life as to how to live with a smaller footprint on this earth.
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)llmart
(15,090 posts)Isn't that a PBS show from a couple decades ago? At least I'm remembering it that way.
I've practiced voluntary simplicity since I was about 40, though it wasn't completely new to me having grown up in a family where both parents preached nonmaterialism.
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)llmart
(15,090 posts)My dream was always to live a life like Thoreau, although having read some biographies about him, he wasn't quite a hermit as he was portrayed to be, especially since they talked about how he used to go home to his mother's house for dinner occasionally.
My parents did a lot of things wrong, but they also got some very basic things right and for that I'm grateful. My father had anger issues and a big mouth and was frightful to me. But he did have some very strong core principles that he tried to teach us. But he certainly wasn't a Ward Cleaver by any means. More of an Archie Bunker.
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)bill allowed him to get an MFA degree. Also worked in Civilian Conservation Corp in the 1930's in Adirondacks. That was character builder and benefitted the family (they all sent money home) and the country. I think he wanted to be a hermit instead of raising us though.
MineralMan
(145,866 posts)
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)Tree Lady
(11,164 posts)In the 80's I would come home from work and watch my shows and fast forward the commercials.
Now because we cut the cord I have antenna and no way to record shows unless I buy expensive machine and pay a monthly fee.
I have Netflix, Prime, Hulu and HBO but will spend sometimes a hour finding something decent to watch.
Cells are nice if your traveling alone in a car far from a city, but my 93 yr old mom who great grand daughter taught her to text, sends me one after another every day and wonders where I am if I don't respond right away.
I loved my old apple computer I bought in 2008 that must have been a good year because it still works but gets hot and security won't update so I bought new one which has no cd, dvd player like old one.
I just finally finished updating 100's of passwords, nothing was quick and many won't take the suggested one from my computer so had to think of new different ones.
I have worked with computers since the 80's and the latest I am not impressed at all but then I don't play computer games and maybe thats what new ones are good at.
meadowlander
(4,254 posts)It pisses me to no end that we have the technology to have one website where you could log in and stream any movie or TV show ever created whenever you want. I would cheerfully pay $100ish dollars a month for this.
But because of capitalism we have seven gazillion different sites which all only have a few things I want to watch and no guarantee from month to month that they will be accessible and none of them ever seem to have foreign language films or films more than ten years old.
I don't browse or channel surf. I have a list of movies and/or shows I want to watch. And I waste hours trying to find who actually has that show or movie and half the time none of them do. I know I can find pirated versions but I actually do want to support the artists if they didn't make it flipping impossible.
I think everything more than ten years old should be public domain and available for free through the library websites.
dianaredwing
(406 posts)free through your library? If you like old films, that's the best. The Mummy, old noir, all kinds of docs. and FREEEEEE
Demsrule86
(67,491 posts)or Netflix-...you can save the shows you watch...to any sort of thumb drive or storage device. It works very well. I am pretty sure you can record free channels like CW as well. Check it out...used it for years to record my favorite old movie...like 'The uninvited' set in the 40's and old Doris Day movies off of You Tube.
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)
Silent3
(14,445 posts)VCR picture quality was TERRIBLE, even compared to current non-high-def DVD video, or standard-def cable channels (that aren't over compressed).
I've worked with computers as a programmer since the 70s, using everything back to punch cards and paper tape and teletypes and the original Apple II... and I'm ENORMOUSLY impressed with how much the technology has advanced since then.
Celerity
(40,676 posts)Perhaps try cutting back on social media and also turn off the cell phone unless you have a vital need.
I have never had a landline phone in my homes in my life other than a few years at my parents, but that went away in 2001, when I was 4 or 5 and they got broadband in London. My grandparents still had landlines for several years after that, but not anymore either. I personally see no point to a landline residental phone at all. I have never had a situation in my life where I needed one. I suppose it is an age cohort thing.
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)beliefs and cultures that are non-violent. Zero to do with "tech" which is not needed in that endeavor.
Celerity
(40,676 posts)
Demsrule86
(67,491 posts)employee abuse. So there is good and bad in every thing. I love tech and was one of those 80's kids hacking with phones and would continue today if I could...but alas, one will end up in jail. Also, there is less community stuff. My parents bowled and went to parties and various events...played bridge went to clubs etc. People are very isolated now and social media is a poor substitute. I think this is why so many crazy conspiracy theories are all over the place. And the effect on kids is hard too...if you are teased and I moved a great deal was always the new kid, you have to put up with harassment all the time...even when school is over...I still think we are better off with tech than without. We are amazingly informed (if we want to be). But I can see why some miss the old days. I love my computer and phone and all the gadgets I own...
Celerity
(40,676 posts)We try and have as much in-person interaction in our lives as possible.
Social media has made the spread of CT amazingly worse.
cheers
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)the three major networks, PBS, with radio BBC, NYT, WP AP print media I thought that was adequate.
llmart
(15,090 posts)No one's cell phone worked but my trusty landline did.
senseandsensibility
(15,354 posts)But I have become even more committed to it. I have a low tolerance for useless distractions and become anxious when my senses are "overloaded." But even so, I still feel the stress you're talking about.
MineralMan
(145,866 posts)I'm in the middle of a complicated estate settlement, as executor and trustee. If it were not for all of that tech, I'd just be getting started, instead of almost finished with it.
I'm using my PC, my cellphone, a scanner, and vast amounts of cloud storage to keep track of hundreds of documents and to communicate with dozens of people, government agencies, and companies. Some want texts. Others want emails, and still others only use Facebook. I have signed scores of documents using DocuSign, and scan several things a day into pdf files to avoid mail delays.
Technology is wonderful if you master it and use it intelligently.
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)until it isn't.
MineralMan
(145,866 posts)Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)a cash advance for 2500 bucks. The cc companies are understanding of the fraud, but they are powerless. It is increasing, almost impossible to track and forget prosecution. Imbedded chips help, but hackers will catch up. It is rampant in our experience and we are careful. We do no on-line banking or patient portal crap. There is just so much of your info "out there" despite all the privacy statements etc. that the companies can't control the hacking that flows to the dark side. That said, I'm glad you have been unscathed to date!
Demsrule86
(67,491 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)MineralMan
(145,866 posts)I'm a magazine writer. I switched from writing articles about woodworking to writing for computer magazines in the mid-80s.
That happened because an editor supplied me with a PC Clone and Microsoft Word 1.0 for DOS. I got distracted by the computer. I finished the book, but then took six months off to dive into PC technology. Then, I started writing articles to help people use their computers and the software on them.
I'm completely self-taught. Even though I once owned a one-person software company and did everything from coding to sweeping the floor, I would not call myself an IT person. I'm a writer. I just like to learn stuff.
On the other hand, I took my first and only computer programming class in 1963, learning Fortran by punching IBM cards for an IBM 1620 owned by the university I attended. I dropped out, joined the USAF, and then got a degree in English after my enlistment.
So, my background isn't in IT. Not at all, but I have been around IT since the 1980s.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)My first program was run on an IBM 1620.
It was for a computer class my sophomore year of high school. Punchcards of course.
Then my junior and senior year we used an IBM 360.
MineralMan
(145,866 posts)calculated and approximation of pi by creating a many-sided polygon within a circle. I think I had to redo it about 10 times before it compiled correctly. Put me right off programming, until I had a PC so I could test my code on immediately.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)MineralMan
(145,866 posts)computers, and set me up for what was to come a couple of decades later.
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)became a militant Luddite, but perhaps it was that very class! I come from a long line of Luddites, which hasn't helped much. I have friends in IT and various scientific endeavors who I respect very much. I conclude we are all wired a bit differently, and I guess that's what keeps life interesting.
MineralMan
(145,866 posts)I tend to adopt technology that is useful to me, and learn about it so I can move away from being a novice. Besides, I find that learning about new technologies or new scientific information is interesting and helps feed my need to learn.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Just did some shopping from my armchair, choosing from many nice selections that would have been unimaginable, completely impossible!, when I was younger. My husband just tested out Zoom because a friend is having his 90th birthday party this afternoon; so many of us are scattered around different states, a couple still in Thailand where they go every winter, but we expect to see each other there.
The frustration of the day is our password saver, which isn't. It's kind of hard to hand enter symbols we've never seen before in a 20-digit computer-generated string.
I will admit here, though not to her, that the computerized foaming hand soap dispenser our daughter decided we needed is a bit much. It's not on line (why not?!), so my husband actually had to call customer service when it started spitting soap every time we went in the powder room. Turned out it just needed rebooting.
MineralMan
(145,866 posts)That, and being able to edit text instantly.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Even if malignant use of the internet is dangerously out of control now, the information age is an enormous gift to humanity. And what we're doing with it already is far too big and profound for me to encompass, just know it's happening.
MineralMan
(145,866 posts)The title of the thesis was "Whitman's Unpaid Debt to Emerson." That involved many, many days of hours spent in the university library, poring through old literary journals, Ralph Waldo Emerson's multi-volume journals, and specially ordering books through the library.
I told my thesis adviser that within 25 years or so, such research could be done on a personal computer while sitting in your underwear in your house. "Ridiculous!" the adviser said. "That will never happen."
In the mid-1990s, I ran into that professor again. He remembered my prediction and allowed as how I had been correct. Today, it is even easier than in those early days of the Internet.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)remember ordering books through the library for papers. So exciting to browse the interlibrary loan systems for possibilities. Until I got busy and learned to choose my topics based on sources in my college library. After all, they weren't important theses.
I've lost a lot of my attention span due to health reasons, a real shame because in earlier years I would have chosen the kinds of topics I once read everything I could find about -- but immersed in them via the internet at home. Maybe kick something off with an intriguing MOOC, discussing the subject with students who sign up for them from around the world.
We're living in times of great wonders and blessings.
yonder
(9,525 posts)Yesterday I came across something about Malcom X. Though I didn't quite get the context, it referenced his possessions as "a pair of glasses, a watch and a suitcase." Sounds like a start.
Evolve Dammit
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meadowlander
(4,254 posts)Smart refrigerators? Really? How hard is it to keep track of what's in your fridge and write a shopping list on a notepad so you can take it to the store with you. If the app takes longer than pen and paper why are people spending thousands on it?
The most asinine "smart technology" I've seen is a tray with a computer chip that can keep track of how many eggs you have left in it. What's next? Smart toilets?
I'm also an old crank about Alexa, Siri and all the similar recording devices people insist on installing in their own homes. Why are the best and brightest in our society working on problems like how to avoid reaching up and using the light switch manually or opening your computer/phone and just googling shit instead of working on world hunger, anti-aging medicine, the next pandemic, and climate change?
Demsrule86
(67,491 posts)just pick any song and say hey Siri play xyz. I would not want a 'smart house'. People who have smart houses were out of luck when there was a cell tower outage and they couldn't unlock stuff or regulate their heat. My daughter and her boyfriend installed this thing where if they are out and the sensor can tell then the goes down to 55. Well they were gone for a night and came home to two cold angry cats. The sensor couldn't pick them up.
Evolve Dammit
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NBachers
(16,501 posts)you when the beans are no longer at their peak of bean-ness, so you can throw out all your coffee beans and go buy new ones.
And then there are those disruptor dweebs we see hauled out in front of us as innovators because they have figured out how to eliminate an entire class of workers by flogging out some new disruptive concept that they hope will make them billionaires.
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)CrackityJones75
(2,403 posts)Every generation has the same gripe. The new fangled thingy-bobs are unnecessary and are the root of what is wrong with the world....
I will make the same statements one day I am sure.
Demsrule86
(67,491 posts)believed it rotted your brain. As teens we finally got one...in the living room. Mom and Dad picked the shows too. I have a TV in the living room, den, bedroom and one guest room! When my kids were young they all had TV's in their room. I did restrict the amount they could watch and the content when they were young.
But I know my son looked a porn as a teen because he got the blue screen of death and I had to use Linux to save his files and there were some he said don't look Mom...hehe. Kids they think they invented sex. All my kids like to read too.
But the good side of how I was raised is that we are all great readers...and would read the cereal box if there was nothing else available. I am one of five kids.
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)Island). And yes, I read all the time. Didn't hurt me none, far as I know!
Demsrule86
(67,491 posts)And yet every kid in the neighborhood knew he would help them if they needed it...he was the kind of Dad who bought the entire soccer team ice cream, gave out odd jobs to kids who needed money, picked up stranded kids and actually talked and listened to my friends. They adored him. Sometimes I think they like him better than me.
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)bizzare BS; "I don't know what the hell they're talking about anymore." Usually it was a car ad or something. During the recent Oprah interview with Harry and Meghan, Brits were aghast at our drug ads, because they don't have any of that crap. "Side effects may include sudden death".. Gimme a break. They were incredulous.
Dustlawyer
(10,474 posts)Now on call 24/7/365. We do not think about the downsides of new technology. Things were less hectic and stressful back in the day. I have made your lament myself many times.
Going home from getting take out to my visiting 10 year old great nephew who is morbidly obese and eats junk while playing video games.
ancianita
(34,608 posts)You sound like you could use a news break, and more rest.
Much of it's out of our control, so our job is to remain aware but know that all the fracturing was always there, just revealed by covid and four years of fear and hate that had been outside media radar.
Now we know. That's enough. The quality of our existence is improving in spite of all that.
We have 220,000,000 shots in arms, science, good government, millions of helpful people in both who helped get us here. The "we" who don't appreciate these things are not the 81 million we, and the Gallup polled we, who are all positive about Biden and the changes they've seen.
Take heart. Maybe read "The Code Breaker" a book on reality with a happy ending. It's a real experience that'll give you hope for the future we envision.
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)ancianita
(34,608 posts)Because of her map of RNA, science can understand how microbes immunize themselves, and now scientists can follow the microbial CRSPR system and take it from there.
She opened the map of life and got the Nobel Prize in Chemistry for that.
I'm no scientist, but this book reveals the best reasons why they don't do it for the money.
(sorry this is so big, but it's the only photo I could find)
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)bucolic_frolic
(40,191 posts)My first smart phone is a challenge. Every time I turn it on it starts to download something. The internet button always goes to the same page and I don't know how to escape that. I don't yet have a Google account. And the Samsung manual downloads every time I want to know something. There's some Samsung guy on YouTube teaching all the latest Apps for all Samsung, but 2 year old model can't do any of it. Call me month-to-month on it. I can renew for a month every 90 days and not lose my phone number. I much prefer a computer, and Linux is my choice there. but the phone is not helping me at all.
Evolve Dammit
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monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)ancianita
(34,608 posts)may I make the pitch about why the Apple iPhone is worth every penny by saving you from all that? When I got it as a gift in 2007 I used PC operating systems (Dell and VAIO) but after checking out 'The Missing Manual' (Amazon) on Macs (you can get one for the iPhone, too), I got a Mac Book Pro and never had a minute of worry about ads, blockers, or any other security issues ever again. When you consider that they last beyond the 2-3 year lifespan of pc's, the cost is SO much less; mine still runs well after 12 years. Not to mention that for 12 years it saved me all the daily frazzle, added to my quality of life so much that I'd even call them the best tech investment one could make.
Free lessons at Apple stores. Nice, smart, kind young people who explain every single little thing you don't know.
End of pitch.
eppur_se_muova
(35,832 posts)the Macs I own can't upgrade to newer OS's, the OSX installer disks I have won't work with new Mac models, and I can't run newer applications on either one, because older OSX is not supported by developers. My old desktop iMac all-in-one can't even run newer Firefox, and Web pages are increasingly incompatible with older browsers. To be fair ... that particular model is more like 15 yo .... but Apple's turn toward upgrade incontinence has turned me off to future Mac purchases. I might purchase one more Mac within my lifetime, but I'm in no hurry to do so.
I started using Macs beginning around the System5 to System6 transition, and I have not been happy with the transition to YA Unix implementation, even when I have used the very "Unixy" features. I miss the old "insanely great" atmosphere that surrounded the classic Mac OS.
Tracer
(2,769 posts)its not even that old. I tried to go up from High Sierra to Mohave in order to do my taxes on Turbo Tax (that OS was required) and learned that I couldn't do it. I'll have to do the taxes on TT's online version and that seems slightly risky.
As for phones, I stupidly ditched my reliable landline to go to all-cell. I can barely make or receive a phone call since the wifi reception is so poor at my house. I'm going to spend the afternoon installing a wifi "booster" to see if that helps. So I have an expensive cell phone plus an expensive "booster" that are replacing my good old landline.
Not everything is an improvement.
ancianita
(34,608 posts)you started way before me. My old Mac Book Pro (they might not even make them anymore) has upgraded from Leopard to Yosemite to El Capitan (about 9 upgrades) and now High Sierra, fourth below the highest upgrade. I'll try for Mojave, but it might not work; I'll see. The browser seems to work fine, and though I thought of getting an Air for a minute, decided against it.
Unix, eh? You're way ahead of me, though my understanding is that the MacOS is one version of Unix. My son, an IT expert, uses Unix and Linux stuff but I don't see what I would need it for.
Yah, I came late in the 'insanely great' period, but I appreciate its superior engineering. It's probably just the inertia of familiarity, but I hope not to have to get another in my lifetime, either.
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)madamesilverspurs
(15,617 posts)Got a note from the property owners advising that they are going to be upgrading our laundry rooms. Yay. Then they asked how we would prefer to pay to operate the machines, with a prepaid card or a phone app that would deduct the expense from our bank accounts.
My immediate choice was the prepaid card, I just couldn't see connecting a washing machine to my bank in order to wash my undies. The property manager told me that she made the same choice and is encouraging other tenants to do likewise, especially since many of the tenants don't have phones that could do the job, and others still have only landline phones.
Until they install the new machines I'll keep stashing quarters. But I'm ticked at the nearby carwash that installed a new bill changer that dispenses tokens instead of quarters. Now I gotta go all the way to the bank.
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Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)moonscape
(4,623 posts)operating on what I thought was brilliant foresight, I bought a tin of them so Id not have to deal with all the inherent variables: do I have appropriate bill demonination? In enought quantity? Is the machine out of tokens? Are my bills not being read for some reason?
I approached the car wash, feeling secure and superior as usual, knowing I had a large zippered thingie with tons of those things ready to go. Then wait .. what? The car wash was gone! Levelled! Drove across town to one that also took tokens but ... theirs were, sob, different.
Im old enough to know things dont stay the same, but too old to remember that reality.
I need to stop buying green bananas.
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cayugafalls
(5,455 posts)
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)cayugafalls
(5,455 posts)Technology is a rock, albeit a better one.
There is nothing about technology that imposes itself on the user without the users consent and that consent has been given freely since the first time a person typing up a letter on a computer realized that there was no reason to completely start over or spend 20 minutes with white out to get some document to her file.
Now if the boss asked for multiple copies, that was an entirely different story and hassle involving multiple people and several hours, now you simply click an up arrow to adjust the number of copies desired.
Not only has productivity increased but so has the collective brain power of the average connected individual. Some may scoff at the idea, but easy access to written material without waiting weeks for a particular treatment to arrive for use from the local library has actually sped up the ability to learn more, faster. Doctors benefit from the connected age in that new information is readily available and this leads to better care in a more timely fashion, thus saving lives.
Sure you can use a rock to carve your name in another rock, or you could design a 3D printed model, print it using one of many variety of materials that will last for quite sometime and have a really nice work all in the same amount of time it took the caveman to use that rock.
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)You sure about that? I know many seniors who cannot keep up with the ever-increasing electronic demands from multiple entities that they are not able to meet.
cayugafalls
(5,455 posts)Tax forms?
For tax forms:
Local post office.
Medicare?
1-800-MEDICARE (1-800-633-4227)
TTY
1-877-486-2048
Medicaid?
Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services
7500 Security Boulevard
Baltimore, Maryland 21244-1850
Toll-Free: 877-267-2323
Local: 410-786-3000
TTY Toll-Free: 866-226-1819
TTY Local: 410-786-0727
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)is a national disgrace that imposes (sometimes lethal) hardships on those who don't have it. Genuine hardships. This administration will do its best to fix something that's now part and parcel of old-fashioned problems like poverty, hunger, deprivations of all kinds.
We complain about multiple entities, but how about the toll of time and labor from walking several blocks to the nearest laundromat after taking the bus to and from work, after getting off near the nearest store, which has the nearest pay phone to use to call the gas company it if wasn't already closed, and then after walking home with groceries to make dinner and check homework?
Though these days I spend too much time growling from the comfort of my armchair at a program that's not working, it's been decades since I drove across town and stood in line to pay a bill because it was too late to mail payment.
But hey -- why not simplify your life? Turn it all off and walk away for a while? It's spring outside.
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)i started building cell tower sites way back when ya had to carry a damn car battery pac to power the phone. Verizon share's was penny stock's damn near. was a tower hand & built radio an tower's . they thought ted ted turner & his cable tv was a joke . won't fly worth a crap with the American public. computer's won't let people use their damn brain. is true, most people can't even make change for a damn dollar without a smart phone . their car crap's out , first thing they do get on a damn cell phone & google. if isolated they are screwed . so , if you think we have a smart society in America , you better do some re-thinking ! ol' saying is - use damn brain's instead of ass !
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)just hope kid's now a day's will soon realize this ! just hope not late for the ol' folk don't give up !
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)Demobrat
(8,650 posts)more efficient, and save us time and money.
Now life is more complex and more expensive, and we have no real downtime.
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)Demobrat
(8,650 posts)needed work, I took a minute to change the ribbon. When my computer at work has an issue, I call the IT department, wait in a queue for 45 minutes, then spend another 30 minutes on the phone with a tech.
Even changing my password is an ordeal.
Work sharing used to involve putting a piece of paper in a folder and handing the folder to a person.
Now we use a software program that requires multiple training sessions and a 20-page manual. When the program goes down (happens on a regular basis), work cannot move forward until the techs can fix it.
Call me a Luddite, but I fail to see the value. Except, of course, to the multitudes of people the company employs to keep the systems up and running.
Theres that.
Silent3
(14,445 posts)I make far too many typos to not have cut-and-paste and a delete key handy.
Maybe if I were forced to deal with older tech my typing would improve, but I suspect I'd be going through a few bottles of white-out per week if I typed as much on paper as I type into computers and phones.
Demobrat
(8,650 posts)Its everything that happens after that. Attaching a file to an email and hitting send was way too easy.
Now we have to have a system that requires an entire technical support group to push paper from one desk to another.
Because reasons.
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(15,888 posts)Initech
(99,182 posts)Lifelock was a joke until they got bought by Symantec / Norton. Now they're slightly less of a joke, but still a joke. And Norton is still kind of a joke when there's much better anti-virus software out there. Same with companies like Experian - they're really selling an invisible product.
And yeah the constant upgrading is infuriating. But what's even more infuriating is the constant updating - I swear, everything I own that has an operating system gets updates after updates, and it is so maddening.
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)Initech
(99,182 posts)And you do have a right to be paranoid about them, and like crooks they can strike at any time. Only they use a different weapon - instead of bullets or baseball bats, their weapon is your computer and your credit cards and bank accounts.The thing is you just got to be careful - don't trust anything you get that's not from someone you know or already subscribe to, and don't click on anything that might even be remotely suspicious. Just block that stuff and report it to your e-mail provider. Most have tools for that sort of thing.
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)and has happened to us 4-5 times. We are never liable because the fraud is obvious to the CC companies. Don't do any on-line banking or any financial transactions.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,466 posts)My parents used to give me a subscription to Newsweek as a stocking stuffer every Xmas, and by FAR the most memorable article of all of those issues was about this very subject. This was in the 1970s!!!
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)RainCaster
(10,156 posts)My phone is no better. WTF?
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)
Rosco T.
(6,496 posts)Lets you route voice over an internet connection, wired or wireless without having to screw with massive switches or PBX's.. Cheaper, faster and more efficient...
and has been around since 1973. Hardly 'new'
RainCaster
(10,156 posts)Yes, I live an easy 90 minute commute to Microsoft. 2 hours home. It's still a crappy way to talk to the world.
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)
meadowlander
(4,254 posts)I went to college at the opposite end of the country from where I grew up and remember getting $100-150 a month phone bills just to call home a few times a week.
I've been living overseas for the past twenty years or so and Skype saves me a bundle. There's a lot of people I would have completely lost contact with if I had to pay the kinds of overseas phone charges they were getting away with back in the 90s.
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(15,888 posts)Kaleva
(35,794 posts)It appears that you are letting advertising determine your purchasing decisions.
I myself love the modern technology. YouTube alone has saved me hundreds by giving me the instructions on how to fix my own appliances. My extended family is spread all over the country and several are overseas and Facebook allows me almost instant communication with all of them.
The basic geometry classes I took at the free, on line Khan Academy was very helpful in giving me the tools to lay out my vegetable garden and fruit orchard.
Google maps has been fantastic in giving me direction on how to get to places. With Google Earth, I can get a good visual on points of reference at places I never have been to before and well before I actually travel there.
DU is my one stop shopping for news and discussions about current events.
My wife has some serious medical issues and the texting feature on our smart phones allows us to keep in constant communication with each other when I'm not home.
My wife and I love to binge watch tv series for our evening entertainment. We are into season 2 of the Blacklist now.
Shopping on the internet offers a much greater and often cheaper variety of products and it's delivered to our door. No need for 90 mile round trips and spending the day stopping at a number of stores.
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)Kaleva
(35,794 posts)My mother and paternal grandmother wouldn't have died in their 40's had they had the medical technology we have today.
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)sucks for average consumers with escalating deductibles, co-pays, non-covered treatments and soaring costs. 35 other countries don't have this issue. This has happened in the last 30 years. We used to have really good health care insurance; no longer in our experience. Glad you're satisfied!
hunter
(37,933 posts)If you don't keep everything simpl, Windows 10 can become painful to use on any machine with less than 4 GB ram and 128 GB hard drive.
An eleven year old machine was probably sold with Windows 7 which is no longer supported by Microsoft.
A machine designed for Windows 7 will run Linux well.
Kaleva
(35,794 posts)I'll keep that in mind about Linux.
I don't do much on the laptop. Browse the internet, get yahoo mail, pay bills on line, watch YouTube videos and such.
Silent3
(14,445 posts)In 2001 an 11-year-old computer from 1990 would have been hopelessly antique.
In 2021, an 11-year-old computer, especially if it was top-of-the-line in 2010, isn't that bad at all.
Most of the advances in the past decade or so have been in making low-power mobile processors faster, and increasing the numbers of processors and cores. There's still a lot of code that runs at single-core speed, however, that can't take advantage of multiple cores, so in a lot of cases the speed and performance increases over the past 11 years haven't been that earth-shattering.
Cheaper, bigger SSDs have helped disk-intensive stuff speed up fair amout.
Generic Brad
(14,174 posts)Over the past decade there has been a big movement to take perfectly awesome web sites and navigation tools and redesign them past the point of no return. Removing functions and concealing navigation tools (not to mention seriously degrading the content) has given much of the internet a corporatized, dumbed down feel.
This happens with content providers, many interactive sites, and most merchants that provide vital services.
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)Vinca
(49,893 posts)the Royal funeral. That's just sick. And I totally agree with you on the phones. Modern phones - landlines - feel more like holding a hairbrush than a telephone. Ours drives me nuts because every so often it seems to like to erase everything it's supposed to do on it's own. I've got an old touchtone in the kitchen that I like better than the new gizmos. And don't get me started on the cell . . .
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)
Mosby
(15,578 posts)and still haven't gotten all the bugs out.
brooklynite
(91,607 posts)FWIW - I have been using computers since the Apple Iie. There have been gargantuan increases in productivity as memory, processing speed, application features and storage capabilities improved in that time. The reality is that, as technology has improved, the speed at which improvements are made has increased.
Every older technology device would do today exactly what it did when you first bought it. (I have a fully functioning Apple Newton from the 1990s). But what people seem to want is all the latest features WITH the old technology. That's not how things work.
As for your rotary telephone; what about the good old days when the Operator put your call through for you? Of course you sometimes had to wait for a call to be booked, but who cares about needless progress?
hunter
(37,933 posts)
I'll pick it up, tap the receiver cradle a few times to alert the operator, and ask them to connect me with whoever I want to talk to.
I've seen people do this with their "smart speakers" but it sort of scares me.
I want a phone that is hung up and disconnected when I hang it up, not some machine that is always listening.
BannonsLiver
(15,591 posts)That seems to be the motif of many of the responses.
My personal faves: the rant about smart refrigerators and the Luddite who wants their VCR back.
kskiska
(27,024 posts)in my house. If someone calls while I'm out they'd just have to wait and try again later. Even my daughter agrees with me. This is all just getting so out of hand and invasive.
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)Emergencies can be dealt with with a pay as you go cell with the number given only to your loved ones. Easy, and not too much $. We call it the "bat phone." God, I'm getting old!
kskiska
(27,024 posts)Our lives were so much less stressful back then. People are getting meaner and meaner. Technology has definitely affected human interaction.
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)
brooklynite
(91,607 posts)Doesn't stop her from "interacting".
It DOES allow her to run seminars with people from around the world.
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)comparison, I'm Bill Gates. I try to strike a balance. I think Amazon is here with my new printer! Old HP having "print head issues" and nobody repairs. Toss and pay! OK, I will recycle...
GoneOffShore
(17,195 posts)
Seriously though, the tech can be overwhelming, and I do understand. I'm glad to be able to video call friends in the US, learn French and Latin on line, manage my bank and credit cards, and navigate back roads with an inbuilt GPS.
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)a kind of simple shoe, shaped and hollowed out from a single block of wood, traditionally worn by French and Breton peasants.
a device which ensures the correct positioning of a bullet or shell in the barrel of a gun, attached either to the projectile or inside the barrel and falling away as it leaves the muzzle.
GoneOffShore
(17,195 posts)Comfy in the summer.
HipChick
(25,484 posts)I'm in the middle of a move, and having to go through each room and toss stuff..
It's emotional, but also I marvel about how rapidly the technology changed in the decades I've been here..
Evolve Dammit
(15,888 posts)right. I tried to find good homes for the things that others would care about. Not easy. Some people can just pitch. I am not like that. Wish I was. It would be easier.
Silent3
(14,445 posts)