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Thu Apr 29, 2021, 04:09 PM

The worst kind of political correctness

is avoiding the word ‘racist’ because it offends racists.

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Reply The worst kind of political correctness (Original post)
Aristus Apr 29 OP
StarfishSaver Apr 29 #1
wryter2000 Apr 29 #6
StarfishSaver Apr 29 #8
canetoad Apr 29 #2
The Wizard Apr 29 #3
multigraincracker Apr 29 #12
Hoyt Apr 29 #4
StarfishSaver Apr 29 #5
wryter2000 Apr 29 #7
StarfishSaver Apr 29 #9
Solomon Apr 29 #11
smirkymonkey Apr 29 #36
Celerity Apr 29 #52
Mossfern Apr 29 #13
Solomon Apr 29 #14
StarfishSaver Apr 29 #17
LanternWaste Apr 29 #25
Ex Lurker Apr 29 #27
Klaralven Apr 29 #16
LanternWaste Apr 29 #21
LakeArenal Apr 29 #24
StarfishSaver Apr 29 #31
soldierant Apr 29 #33
LakeArenal Apr 29 #34
StarfishSaver Apr 29 #38
monkeyman1 Apr 29 #22
monkeyman1 Apr 29 #28
Solomon Apr 29 #10
wryter2000 Apr 29 #15
StarfishSaver Apr 29 #18
Solomon Apr 29 #35
LakeArenal Apr 29 #37
StarfishSaver Apr 29 #39
LakeArenal Apr 29 #41
StarfishSaver Apr 29 #44
LakeArenal Apr 29 #46
StarfishSaver Apr 29 #49
Laura PourMeADrink Apr 29 #53
Laura PourMeADrink Apr 29 #54
LakeArenal Apr 29 #47
StarfishSaver Apr 29 #40
Mr.Bill Apr 29 #19
LakeArenal Apr 29 #42
Mr.Bill Apr 29 #43
uponit7771 Apr 29 #48
LakeArenal Apr 29 #50
StarfishSaver Apr 29 #51
Hortensis Apr 29 #20
gulliver Apr 29 #23
Laura PourMeADrink Apr 29 #55
rickyhall Apr 29 #26
monkeyman1 Apr 29 #29
Mr.Bill Apr 29 #45
SunSeeker Apr 29 #30
Lonestarblue Apr 29 #32
Laura PourMeADrink Apr 29 #56

Response to Aristus (Original post)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 04:11 PM

1. or assuming that calling any white person a racist is calling ALL white people racist

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 04:33 PM

6. Or saying that a system is racist

Means all white people are racist

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 04:37 PM

8. Someone told me on this board today that

Because I supposedly called Carville a "closet racist" (which I didn't, but, you know ...), that meant I was also calling the people here who are defending him racist and, therefore, I was personally insulting that individual poster.

That's some next level "I desperately need to be a victim" shish right there.

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Response to Aristus (Original post)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 04:14 PM

2. So true

Kick

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Response to Aristus (Original post)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 04:19 PM

3. Bigot sounds stronger

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Response to The Wizard (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 04:51 PM

12. Not only does it sound stronger, the concept of race is not valid in science.

https://www.thoughtco.com/scientific-vs-social-definition-of-race-2834954

By Nadra Kareem Nittle
Updated November 01, 2020
It's a common belief that race can be broken down into three categories: Negroid, Mongoloid and Caucasoid. But according to science, that's not so. While the American concept of race took off in the late 1600s and persists even today, researchers now argue that there’s no scientific basis for race. So, what exactly is race, and what are its origins?

Bigotism?

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Response to Aristus (Original post)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 04:30 PM

4. Two things Republicans hate: (1) Being called a "racist" . . . . . . and (2) Black People.

Bill Maher.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 04:33 PM

5. White people in general hate being called racist

And many of them hate seeing other white people being called racist - they hate it so much they assume that any time a white person is called a racist, they themselves are being so labeled.

And many of them hate being told they are anything except pure as the driven snow when it comes to race and assume that if anyone tells them they could do better on race they are being called a racist.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 04:35 PM

7. And wypipo

I figure if I don’t act like wypipo, you’re not talking about me.

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #7)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 04:38 PM

9. Oh, hell yes.

Wypipo really sets some folks off.

But so does seeing any white people called "white people." Because that's divisive.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 04:43 PM

11. A lot of white people don't even like to be called

white people. Much less wypipo.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 07:14 PM

36. I actually think it's kind of funny.

And I'm white. It's such a spot-on stereotype, for the most part.

SNL did this skit called "Investigation Discovery: White People Problems" w/ Charles Barkley. I almost wet myself. It was hilarious.
I know racism is a very serious problem, but I still think turning the tables sometimes can be pretty amusing, because there is a large kernel of truth in there.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #36)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 09:15 PM

52. lol, that is so spot on about some people!

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 04:56 PM

13. I would assume that Black people don't appreciated being called racist either.

Just saying...

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Response to Mossfern (Reply #13)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 05:00 PM

14. Well alright then. Lol.

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Response to Mossfern (Reply #13)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 05:17 PM

17. It doesn't bother me in the least

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Because I know I'm not, So why should I care if someone doesn't know any better than to call me that?

It's like Dick Gregory said. "If I pick up this book and call it a bicycle, is the book crazy? Of course not."

It's just not something I care about one way or another. I don't think most Black people care, either - probably why so many of us are puzzled by the reaction of some white people to the label.

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Response to Mossfern (Reply #13)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 05:52 PM

25. just saying, part II.

just saying:
a phrase used to indicate that we refuse to defend a claim we've made---in other words, that we refuse to offer reasons that what we've said is true

(Urban Dictionary)

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Response to Mossfern (Reply #13)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 05:54 PM

27. Black people can't be racist

read up on your definitions.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 05:15 PM

16. It's so common that it doesn't really matter anymore

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 05:50 PM

21. Somewhere along the line, a lot of people (not all people!!!) decided that...

being called a racist is worse than actual racism.

Seems to have happened about the same time that simply discussing race was argued against as playing the fictional but highly popular 'race card'.

Thus, these same people give themselves the excuse to bleat how oppressed they themselves are, and instead focus on that non sequitur.

I wish the bleating was limited only to Tucker Carlson, but it creeps into all sorts of unexpected places.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 05:52 PM

24. I would think Black People generally hate being called racists.

Just like I cant speak generally negative things things about anyone.

And to assume what any group of persons thinks generally is quite a step.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #24)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 06:37 PM

31. In my experience, most Black people rely don't care

Probably because usually when we're called a racist, it's by some clueless, overly-defensive white person trying to derail an honest discussion about race and is quite certain that being thought of as a racist (whether they are or not) makes them a much bigger victim than actually being subjected to racism.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #31)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 07:06 PM

33. That may not qualify as a definition, but it's

a pretty good description of while privilege - or at least one symptom.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #31)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 07:08 PM

34. Well my experience is white people do care.

Also, trying to speak for white people is like me speaking for black people.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #34)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 07:25 PM

38. Most of the white people I know don't care because they're not racist

I find the white people I know who do get worked up about it also have a tendency to always try to center discussions about race on themselves and the perceived lights against them. Hence the over-emphasis on how they are being maligned by accusations of racism (which are often nothing of the kind) and how they use that to derail any conversations about race and racism that make them uncomfortable or aren't focused on what excellent people they are.

I'm not speaking for white people. Just telling you what my own experiences with white people have been. And I suspect that, like most Black folk, I have considerably more experience interacting with white people than most white people have interacting with blacks. That's a reality of being Black in America - hypervigilance and careful observation of our white brothers and sisters is absolutely essential for our success, safety, and survival.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 05:51 PM

22. agreed!

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 05:59 PM

28. don't forget - " white trash". they hate that too. it was used a lot in the 60's

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Response to Aristus (Original post)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 04:43 PM

10. +1000

Racist is such a horrible word that they couldn't possibly be racist. Shame on you for saying so!

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Response to Solomon (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 05:03 PM

15. Some people act as if

calling someone racist is worse than actually being racist.

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #15)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 05:18 PM

18. They definitely think a white person being called a racist is worse than being the victim of racism

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #18)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 07:08 PM

35. Bingo. Ain't that the truth! We see it every day.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #18)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 07:17 PM

37. Who is this "they" you speak for?

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #37)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 07:26 PM

39. Read the thread

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #39)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 07:33 PM

41. You are so dismissive. Obviously I am reading the thread.

They are whom? Be specific. You use “they” continually. I would like you to speak clearly as to whom it is you speak for.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #41)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 07:46 PM

44. I'll be more specific

Read the post I was responding to.

If you're really interested in to whom I'm referring, that should satisfy you.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #44)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 08:14 PM

46. You know I have read this thread. O

Obviously I have touched some nerve that you are starting to talk circles.

You stated that generally speaking white people think .......

I wanted to know what white people you speak for. And you have run around it from the start. I hear what you think white people think generally.

I want to know what you think specifically. Who are these white people you speak for.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #46)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 09:04 PM

49. I don't speak for white voters nor have I suggested I do

But I am perfectly capable of speaking of my lived experience with white people. And I will continue to do so, notwithstanding efforts by "some" to silence me or dismiss my perspective as irrelevant.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #49)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 11:08 PM

53. What gets very old is the implication that we Dems at DU are not empathetic

and totally against injustice of any kind.

When asked in a former post if you were referring to people at DU - how some didn't understand white privilege and how horribly different it was related to being stopped/harassed/shot. You said "Yes!!"

Bottom line, being accused of things that are not true is bad for any human being.

Calling out injustice does not have to include veiled blame toward good hearted empathetic people who are on the same side.

And snide and dismissive remarks like you just did to Lake Arenal are very offensive.

We are all on the same side... But posts that accuse and denigrate do not help.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #49)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 11:23 PM

54. Link

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215355459

Post #3

Please stop insinuating that DUers, are not 100% empathetic.

We are all on the same side!!!!!

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #37)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 07:28 PM

40. Dupe

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Response to Aristus (Original post)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 05:32 PM

19. Like the meme says:

"Racism is so common in America that when you protest racism, some think you are protesting America." (or something like that)

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #19)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 07:35 PM

42. Specifically who is that "some".

Say what you mean. Don’t hide behind the some or they.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #42)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 07:44 PM

43. Well, I didn't write the meme, but point taken. n/t

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #42)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 08:32 PM

48. Some means especially racist Americans, why does that need to be spelled out? tia

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #48)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 09:04 PM

50. The question I had is who or whom are the white people that the poster can "generally speak" for.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #48)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 09:09 PM

51. Because not all white people

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Response to Aristus (Original post)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 05:39 PM

20. It may be, but it's beat out HUGELY for the biggest self-defeating mass clusterfuck.

Anti-racism white women have always been the largest and most influential group believing in and working for equality, including racial equality, even before we got the vote. NO advance in equality has occurred in this nation without strong support of pro-equality white women. If we weren't in it, it didn't happen.

(White men, overwhelmingly conservative white men, have always provided the largest, and by far most powerful pro-racism and anti-equality group across the board. We KNOW that.

So what unsung genius first presented the idea to the RW schemers of dividing pro-equality forces by casting all white women as the nation's biggest racists? Evil racist witches and bitches that we all are? Even born into original female sin.

And how INCREDIBLY STUPID are all those who bought into it? Against all history. Against all facts?

But not at all against the underlying, ancient bigotry against women that is the reason so many eager suckers, who imagine they're pro-equality, leaped to believe and spread that Big Lie.

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Response to Aristus (Original post)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 05:52 PM

23. I only avoid calling people racists. Name calling doesn't work.

Name calling someone a racist doesn't work, because the term has become synonymous with "the worst thing someone can be." People don't hear you calling them out for racism when you call them racists. They don't even think about what the term means. They just reject it.

But I'll call laws racist, systems racist, intentions racist, etc.

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Response to gulliver (Reply #23)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 11:30 PM

55. Hmmm. Except for the poor schmuck on Jeopardy

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Response to Aristus (Original post)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 05:54 PM

26. I'm mostly Irish and 150 years ago Irish weren't considered white people.

Neither were Jews or Italians, etc. So bigot works better. Archie Bunker and my dad were bigots. I even experienced bigotry "back in the day" due to my long hair and "hippie ways."

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Response to rickyhall (Reply #26)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 06:00 PM

29. so right !!

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Response to rickyhall (Reply #26)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 07:49 PM

45. I know what you mean about the long hair thing.

I experienced it myself. But we had the option to cut our hair, which I did anytime I was looking for a job in the 60s. People don't have the ability to change races or nationality. That adds another dimension to things.

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Response to Aristus (Original post)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 06:33 PM

30. K & R

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Response to Aristus (Original post)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 07:01 PM

32. I suspect there are very few truly white people here.

Given the intermingling of the Native Americans, black people, the Indian peoples of Mexico, Asians, and white people, the likelihood is that almost everyone has a few drops of non-white blood unless their ancestors immigrated more recently from mostly white countries like Norway or Sweden. Perhaps a few people who are clearly racist but claim not to be should have a DNA test. They might be surprised at their own ancestors.

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Response to Aristus (Original post)

Thu Apr 29, 2021, 11:44 PM

56. Agree, except when one acts like ALL white people are racist. Yes

Do not avoid the word but specify who you are talking about!

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